Re: Newly back to The Bat!, many questions.
Martin Webster on tbudl wrote: You need to copy the certificate into your Address Book trusted CA section. How do I do this? You should also see two red icons for Intermediate CA and Trusted CA in your address book... I don't. Beyond the three green books that have what look like a network connection on them, I have Personal Address Book, Search Results, and Deleted Items. Nothing's red in the entire address book window. Might this have to do with the fact that I have the Home addition, and not the Pro one? I don't remember any indication that SSL implementations might be different between the two... However, whilst trying to replicate your issue (since my certificate now matches the server name) I have experienced problems and cannot get it to work permanently. Importing the certificate into the trusted CA doesn't prevent the server hostname/certificate mismatch. Yet I do recall having this working in the past. Ugh, ok. That's irritating. Ahh well. Anyway, what I suggest is you try this: you import the certificate into you trusted CA... ...wish I knew how to do that. :) ... and then change your mail settings to the server listed in the certificate not pop.fancy.org (your MX record points to mx.futurequest.net.) Yeah unfortunately that doesn't appear to work either. I would have thought that they could switch on my username and password, but alas they cannot; they need the actual domain to come through as well. ...or so it appears. thanks, -tom! -- Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newly back to The Bat!, many questions.
Martin Webster on tbudl wrote: 3) My domain provider recently started offering POP and SMTP over SSL. I'd love to use it. Unfortunately for me, I need to access it with pop.fancy.org, and the host's certificate says their domain name. Yes, this is possible. You need to copy the certificate into your Address Book trusted CA section. How do I do this? My address book has a Certum CA Directory, Netcenter Member Directory, and Verisign, although I don't know what any of them mean and there's no info in the help file on them (I thought they had to do with LDAP for some reason, but don't know why I thought that now). Right-clicking gives me a menu where I can add new contacts or groups, but neither of those seem appropriate as I just want to add a certificate that says, when you get this domainx certificate, it's ok if you're connecting to domainy. thx, -tom! -- Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newly back to The Bat!, many questions.
Roelof Otten wrote: TP 9) What are the document icons in the status window for? Everything TPelse I can figure out, but the two with the checkmarks (one is an TPenvelope, one looks like a piece of paper) aren't coming to me... I guess you mean what we're calling the 'message list'. Sorry, I meant status bar. The envelope gives the status of the message: read/unread (an open or closed envelope) high/low/normal priority (with the colour) and you can assign colour groups to messages and they show on the envelope too. Yeah, I noticed that these have a checkmark next to them if they're PGP signed, as well. Some also have a little green triangle in the lower left corner, but I haven't got any thoughts on what that means just yet. thx, -tom! -- Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newly back to The Bat!, many questions.
Roelof Otten wrote: TP (Unfortunately it'd be a lot easier for me to deal with personally if TP it were a newsgroup, but then I understand that that seems silly for TP an email program... Alas.) Actually, it's possible to follow this list as a newsgroup on gmane, see http://www.gmane.org/ Thanks. Actually reading the site there gave me all of the info that I need. -tom! -- Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newly back to The Bat!, many questions.
Peter Fjelsten wrote: Right click on it Headers Edit headers: Here you can add/display all you want. Just make sure that the Display this field on the scrollable part of the header pane is unchecked. Cool- yep, I was bitten by the option that didn't actually appear in the window's default layout. Oof. Thanks. 2) Is there a way I can auto-format hanging paragraphs like this? More or less, yes. Play with Auto-format, auto-wrap, smart tabs in Editor options. Thx. 6) I like threading some folders by references/subject, but then I have to put the subject as the first field on the left. I'd love to have the message status/park/flag fields all the way on the left, as I do in non-threaded views. Is there a way to do this? No problem. Just move the flags up and down in View mode manager. Grr why this absolutely failed to work for me up 'til now is really going to bother me. I saw it threading by message status of all things, and thought, huh? 7) What is a common folder? A folder that is not part of any account. Ah, k, so it's just hanging out at account level in the tree? Will ponder its application for my situation. I never had a reason to use color groups five years ago, but now I'm really starting to get a feel for why I might want to use them. Ironically, it came not because of using The Bat!, but it came from installing TB! on my home machine, and using Opera's IMAP client at work. Opera has some really cool email handling features, but unfortunately the greatness is somewhat mired by the fact that it doesn't actually do what you tell it to in many common situations. ...ahh well. FWIW, the coolest thing ever that it did was that it seemed to tie automatic Bayesian filtering into virtual folders. Automatic by virtue of the fact that you told it what filter(s) something should go into, so you didn't have to type anything. (My current setup has POPfile, which is a graphical interface to bin my mail, but then I have to type in TB!'s filters to get things into the right folders.) And the folders were virtual, so all of the mail actually stayed in your Inbox. I learned over time why I didn't like that behavior, and it irritated me to no end that if a message got sorted into two filters, and both of those filters were wrong, you could stick the message in the right filter, but it would also forever be stuck in the unfiltered list. PITA. Also the small fact that it doesn't come close to the skill exhibited by POPfile, and yeah, a different solution was required... 8) When I create folders for IMAP accounts, I want to create those folders on the server. How can I do this? Just create a folder: TB will make it on the server, too. Or use Account IMAP commands Manage IMAP folders Yeah this got totally fubared on me last night, but this morning got sorted out mysteriously. Love it. :) 11) Is there any way to specify, check this account after this other account has been checked? Not to my knowledge but maybe using the Scheduler. The scheduler seems suboptimal, but I'll dig into it a bit more. Thanks, -tom! -- Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newly back to The Bat!, many questions.
Tom On Fri 9 September 2005, 15:50:37 +1000, you wrote: 9) What are the document icons in the status window for? What are you referring to as the status window? Sorry, I meant status bar. Across the bottom I have four icons that seem to do with document generation, then English (input locale?). Then Stream (selection mode), Insert (v. overwrite), an icon for Priority (I assume), and then two icons with checkboxes that I can't figure out. Request read or delivery receipts -- Robin Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newly back to The Bat!, many questions.
Hallo Tom, On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 23:21:56 -0700GMT (9-9-2005, 8:21 +0200, where I live), you wrote: TP Yeah, I noticed that these have a checkmark next to them if they're TP PGP signed, as well. Some also have a little green triangle in the TP lower left corner, but I haven't got any thoughts on what that means TP just yet. Those are the ones you replied to. -- Groetjes, Roelof As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing. The Bat! 3.61.03 beta Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpvJycHUsl2U.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newly back to The Bat!, many questions.
On Friday, September 09, 2005 at 12:50:37 AM [GMT -0500], Tom Plunket wrote: Ugh, it looks like a big task. Ah well, at least I can do it. :) The big task is to do your first customization. :) At that point you know how to do it. It's downhill from there. Yeah, I did that too, but unfortunately editing the paragraph requires a reflow, which takes the indent out. Others have suggestions that I have yet to try. If the entire paragraph is indented, Alt-L will not unindent the paragraph when reflowing. At least, not here. This is why I mentioned first editing with all the text indented, and then inserting the number when finished. Doing an Alt-L on this paragraph did nothing to the indentation just now. BTW, you can indent text by selecting it and then hitting CTRL-K,I. I don't know if that will be useful for you as well. Unindenting is CTRL-K,U I had a big mess on my hands with this one. I created the folders, then went left. Hit the server from another client, and the folders were not there. Went back to my TB! setup where I made the changes in the first place, and the folders weren't there anymore! I tried Outlook and Opera, as well, and they didn't see the folders either. There was no %APPDATA%\The Bat! folder on my machine, either. I was spooked, but I connected and reconnected to the server enough times that one more connect attempt from TB! revealed that the folders were actually there... phew So did the other clients pick up the folders being there as well? -- -= Curtis =- The Bat! v3.61.03 beta System Specs: http://specs.aimlink.name -=-=- Why do we read left to right yet turn pages right to left? pgpw7EzhZycaj.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newly back to The Bat!, many questions.
Hello Tom, On 09 September 2005, 07:17 you wrote: You need to copy the certificate into your Address Book trusted CA section. How do I do this? My address book has a Certum CA Directory, Netcenter Member Directory, and Verisign, although I don't know what any of them mean and there's no info in the help file on them (I thought they had to do with LDAP for some reason, but don't know why I thought that now). You should also see two red icons for Intermediate CA and Trusted CA in your address book... Right-clicking gives me a menu where I can add new contacts or groups, but neither of those seem appropriate as I just want to add a certificate that says, when you get this domainx certificate, it's ok if you're connecting to domainy. However, whilst trying to replicate your issue (since my certificate now matches the server name) I have experienced problems and cannot get it to work permanently. Importing the certificate into the trusted CA doesn't prevent the server hostname/certificate mismatch. Yet I do recall having this working in the past. Roelof says in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] that this isn't possible. If so, I must have had a work-around. Yet the only thing I can come up with is that I used the server IP and this matched the dummy certificate first used by my server. However, I'm sure it used something like localhost.localdomain and not the IP address, which rules out that idea... Anyway, what I suggest is you try this: you import the certificate into you trusted CA and then change your mail settings to the server listed in the certificate not pop.fancy.org (your MX record points to mx.futurequest.net.) It may not be your domain name but that shouldn't be important since your hosting company supports multiple domains on its server(s.) It's your login that matters. Whilst I tested this approach with one of my domains successfully it may not work for you. Anyone else care to chip in? -- As ever, .\\artin | ICQ 15893823 How does a project get to be late? ...one day at a time. F BROOKS ___ IMAP Client: The Bat! Version 3.60.05 Forerunner (Beta) IMAPS Server: Dovecot | OS: Windows XP Professional (Service Pack 2) Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: Newly back to The Bat!, many questions.)
Hello Tom Plunket everyone else, on 09-Sep-2005 at 07:39 you (Tom Plunket) wrote: I don't feel singled out Congratulations, you're the 100th list newbie to start a public reply to a moderation with this sentence. You've won a baked fridge with signal horn. ;-) SCNR -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Cease to inquire what the future has in store, and take as a gift whatever the day brings forth. -- Horace Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newly back to The Bat!, many questions.
Tom, On 08-09-2005 07:49, you [TP] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: TP 1) By far the biggest issue I'm having right now is that the headers TPpane is a fixed size, but I want to display more headers in it. Right click on it Headers Edit headers: Here you can add/display all you want. Just make sure that the Display this field on the scrollable part of the header pane is unchecked. TP 2) Is there a way I can auto-format hanging paragraphs like this? More or less, yes. Play with Auto-format, auto-wrap, smart tabs in Editor options. TP 3) My domain provider recently started offering POP and SMTP over SSL. (Cannot help) TP 4) I want to use a macro followed immediately by text. I am not sure this is possible. If you look at my message to you, I have the %Cursor place on the empty line between Tom, and On... TP 5) Is there a way to automatically file replies in the same folder TPthat contains the message I'm replying to? Nope. You can use filters to do this: I have a filter that moves all communication with members of my family to a certain folder. They are all in the same address book group. I have made both an incoming and outgoing filter that moves all mail to/from members of that address book group to the folder in question. TP 6) I like threading some folders by references/subject, but then I TPhave to put the subject as the first field on the left. I'd love TPto have the message status/park/flag fields all the way on the TPleft, as I do in non-threaded views. Is there a way to do this? No problem. Just move the flags up and down in View mode manager. TP 7) What is a common folder? A folder that is not part of any account. TP 8) When I create folders for IMAP accounts, I want to create those TPfolders on the server. How can I do this? Just create a folder: TB will make it on the server, too. Or use Account IMAP commands Manage IMAP folders TP 9) What are the document icons in the status window for? I am not sure which icons you are referring to. TP 10) Is there any way to export templates? Not to my knowledge but you can share them between accounts. TP 11) Is there any way to specify, check this account after this other TPaccount has been checked? Not to my knowledge but maybe using the Scheduler. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.61.03 beta Pro /thebat version env. ~12 POP3, 4 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 /os Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newly back to The Bat!, many questions.
Hallo Tom, On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 22:49:14 -0700GMT (8-9-2005, 7:49 +0200, where I live), you wrote: TP 4) I want to use a macro followed immediately by text. E.g. in my TPreply template, I want to put the cursor at the top of the message TPin the first column, but I also want to say You wrote: right TPthere. Is there a way to stop macro processing? I had hoped TPthat I could do %CursorYou wrote:, but that just strips the macro TPentirely, leaving wrote: on the first line. Change it into: %Cursor%-You wrote: The %- macro is supposed to strip the next linefeed, but when you use it like this, it has the result you desire. At first I tried the more traditional %Cursor%- You wrote: But that had the same effect as you described. To enhance the readability of your template you could also use: %Cursor%- %-You wrote: -- Groetjes, Roelof [EMAIL PROTECTED], my hard drive crash ate my Tagline File... The Bat! 3.61.03 beta Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpL499EGRzlV.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Cut mark (was: Newly back to The Bat!, many questions.)
Hallo Tom, On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 22:49:14 -0700GMT (8-9-2005, 7:49 +0200, where I live), you wrote: TP it were a newsgroup, but then I understand that that seems silly for TP an email program... Alas.) TP thanks a ton, TP -tom! TP TP Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Tom. ' Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a dashdashspacereturn, i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in your templates. Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that doesn't make any difference to whether or not you need a cut mark. You are being courteous to other readers since at least three lines of text is added to your signature by the list server. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof Moderator not found: (A)bort, (R)etry, (P)ost Off-Topic? pgpsY8tsbTGGV.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newly back to The Bat!, many questions.
Hallo Tom, On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 22:49:14 -0700GMT (8-9-2005, 7:49 +0200, where I live), you wrote: TP 9) What are the document icons in the status window for? Everything TPelse I can figure out, but the two with the checkmarks (one is an TPenvelope, one looks like a piece of paper) aren't coming to me... TPIn general I have that problem; I don't know what the icons in the TPmessage status column of the message list mean, etc., etc., and TPthat stuff doesn't seem to be in the help file. ...at least, not TPthat I've been able to find... I guess you mean what we're calling the 'message list'. The envelope gives the status of the message: read/unread (an open or closed envelope) high/low/normal priority (with the colour) and you can assign colour groups to messages and they show on the envelope too. The piece of paper with a paperclip stands for an attachment (or more). Note HTML messages with inline pictures will show as attachment too. -- Groetjes, Roelof Computer: Tea, earl gray, hot. In a cup this time! The Bat! 3.61.03 beta Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpKog9TCH5M1.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newly back to The Bat!, many questions.
Hallo Tom, On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 22:49:14 -0700GMT (8-9-2005, 7:49 +0200, where I live), you wrote: TP 10) Is there any way to export templates? Tonight I went through TPthe painful process of adding a couple of accounts and manually TPre-entering the templates from my first account into those others. TPWow. Ick! No, you can't. There are two workarounds for this. I described them a couple of hours in my message to z5worg in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] When you don't delete your tbudl messages after you've read them, you can access it by clicking on the link. -- Groetjes, Roelof Veni, Vidi, Vegi. (I came, I saw, I had a salad) The Bat! 3.61.03 beta Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpYSGvXYPJpe.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newly back to The Bat!, many questions.
Hallo Tom, On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 22:49:14 -0700GMT (8-9-2005, 7:49 +0200, where I live), you wrote: TP 11) Is there any way to specify, check this account after this other TPaccount has been checked? I have an anti-spam solution that TPrequires me to hit a server (0spam.com, yes, in addition to TPPOPfile), and I want that to complete before I check the account TPthat it is watching. E.g. I want to check 0spam.com, then when TPthat's finished, check Fancy.org. No, you cannot. You could as Peter suggested try the scheduler and you could try to add it as a feature request to the wish list: You can insert wishes in the wish list, by logging in to: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/main_page.php Choose 'The Bat! wishes' and add a new item. First check whether someone has made the same wish, then you can support that wish. Wishes that are supported by more users are more likely to be granted than wishes by one. And the system isn't smart enough to understand that wishes might be the same. And add just one wish per entry. Makes everything easier, both for other users who want to add support and for the developers. -- Groetjes, Roelof If the water is clean, you see the bottom, if dirty, you see yourself. The Bat! 3.61.03 beta Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpYyQOzJ2OWQ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newly back to The Bat!, many questions.
Hallo Tom, On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 22:49:14 -0700GMT (8-9-2005, 7:49 +0200, where I live), you wrote: TP ...that's all I can think of right now. I'm amazed at how TP high-traffic this list is, I remember that being the case years ago TP now, though, and wow, this is some amazing user community. AMOF I think the flow has diminished over the years. Though that might be me getting used to it. (No, I've checked it. Until now we've had less than 5000 messages this year. The previous two years had 16000 messages and it was even worse before that.) TP (Unfortunately it'd be a lot easier for me to deal with personally if TP it were a newsgroup, but then I understand that that seems silly for TP an email program... Alas.) Actually, it's possible to follow this list as a newsgroup on gmane, see http://www.gmane.org/ I don't know the specifics, as I don't use that, but it's not unlikely somebody follows up on this. ;-) -- Groetjes, Roelof Forget RTFM - Call The Author At Home! (@ 23:45) The Bat! 3.61.03 beta Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpHwYujKOOZl.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newly back to The Bat!, many questions.
On Thursday, September 08, 2005 at 12:49:14 AM [GMT -0500], Tom Plunket wrote: I originally bought The Bat! way back in January 2000 because the email program I was using at the time, Agent, wasn't doing a couple of things that I wanted. After a year with The Bat!, I went back to Agent because quite frankly the message navigation and threading are far superior to that in The Bat!. Keyboard shortcuts and toolbars are fully configurable now. I have my setup using single key navigation buttons as with Agent. Just right click on toolbar area and select 'customise'. 1) By far the biggest issue I'm having right now is that the headers pane is a fixed size, but I want to display more headers in it. I have a huge screen resolution, and would like to make that panel longer so I can actually display gasp four lines of headers or more without having to scroll with the mouse. The stuff I'm putting up there are the standard things plus the POPfile headers, The standard headers can be added by right clicking the header bar and selecting them from the menu. The POP-file headers you'll have to add them via the 'Edit Headers' panel. Create the headers so that they're displayed in the list of headers for the header bar and then add them. 2) Is there a way I can auto-format hanging paragraphs like this? Alt-L allows me to left-justify everything, and when I'm typing if I manually indent the second line then subsequent lines flow as desired, but if I edit the text then I need to manually reflow the paragraph. It's not terribly hard, but TB is so good at reflowing text and quoted text and all that jazz that this seems close enough to work, were there a means to activate it. No. TB! will not Alt-L reflow and maintain the hanging indent. To overcome this, I write the paragraph indented and without the numbering. When finished, I insert the number at the first line. 3) My domain provider recently started offering POP and SMTP over SSL. I'd love to use it. Can't help there. I've been there and could do nothing. 4) I want to use a macro followed immediately by text. Roelof explained that one fully. 5) Is there a way to automatically file replies in the same folder that contains the message I'm replying to? Not as in Agent. You'll need to use Outgoing message filters that move outgoing message copies to particular folders of your choice. 6) I like threading some folders by references/subject, but then I have to put the subject as the first field on the left. Not necessarily. That's the default setting. You can setup you columns however you like using the View Modes setup in the preferences. Create the view mode and column ordering however you like. Enable the view mode for a folder and adjust the widths as you need. Upon exiting the folder you'll be asked if you wish to save the view mode. Hit yes. 8) When I create folders for IMAP accounts, I want to create those folders on the server. How can I do this? Simply creating the folder right there in TB! creates one on the server. However, be careful nesting and unnesting IMAP folders from within TB!. This can create problems for some servers. I do that sort of thing via the web interface for my IMAP account. 9) What are the document icons in the status window for? What are you referring to as the status window? -- -= Curtis =- The Bat! v3.61.03 beta System Specs: http://specs.aimlink.name -=-=- Hard work never killed anyone, but why chance it? pgpJeGLFIIEJQ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newly back to The Bat!, many questions.
Hello Tom, On 08 September 2005, 06:49 you wrote: 3) My domain provider recently started offering POP and SMTP over SSL. I'd love to use it. Unfortunately for me, I need to access it with pop.fancy.org, and the host's certificate says their domain name. The Bat! subsequently refuses to connect. Is there a way I can tell The Bat!, yeah, I know it's the wrong hostname in the cert, but allow it anyway? I tried connecting to the hostname in the cert, but as I guessed previously to trying, it refused me. I have been using SSH and tunnelling over that, but I'd like to get rid of that extra step if possible. Yes, this is possible. You need to copy the certificate into your Address Book trusted CA section. -- As ever, .\\artin | ICQ 15893823 How narrow is the line which separates an adventure from an ordeal. HAROLD NICHOLSON ___ IMAP Client: The Bat! Version 3.60.05 Forerunner (Beta) IMAPS Server: Dovecot | OS: Windows XP Professional (Service Pack 2) Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: Newly back to The Bat!, many questions.)
Roelof Otten wrote: TP thanks a ton, TP -tom! TP TP Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. I don't feel singled out at all, although I do find it a bit odd that the mailing list owners choose to append a signature to my messages, and then berate me (the global me) for not putting a cut mark before it. I can change my templates for this group to include a dash-dash-space at the end, but since I see that this message has popped up more than once in the past week, perhaps it's worth putting that delimiter above the thing that gets appended to peoples messages, to save them the hassle of doing it manually and to save the list some number of moderation messages? Even if you barely have a signature to speak of... I don't have a signature at all. Note that in RFC terms, I don't believe that the five characters that I sign my emails with falls under the generally accepted definition of 'signature'. As such, I will not put cut marks in such a place that I have to use arrow keys to navigate around them to put in my closing (which also doesn't fall under the generally-accepted definition of 'signature'), so there you have it. I have added the cut marks because this mailing list's moderators have decided that they are important, and the list software's automatically-appended signatures do not follow the moderators own rules. However, I do wish to point out that it's a tad silly. You are being courteous to other readers since at least three lines of text is added to your signature by the list server. So the list administrators are /explicitly/ being discourteous to the subscribers? Wow. hope y'understand, -tom! -- Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newly back to The Bat!, many questions.
Curtis wrote: Keyboard shortcuts and toolbars are fully configurable now. Ah cool thanks. I have my setup using single key navigation buttons as with Agent. Just right click on toolbar area and select 'customise'. Ugh, it looks like a big task. Ah well, at least I can do it. :) The standard headers can be added by right clicking the header bar and selecting them from the menu. The POP-file headers you'll have to add them via the 'Edit Headers' panel. Create the headers so that they're displayed in the list of headers for the header bar and then add them. Ah ha, I didn't see the bit that said non-scrollable or whatever, since in the default window layout of that page, that column is not visible. (UI tip: make things that people need to see actually visible by default. g) No. TB! will not Alt-L reflow and maintain the hanging indent. To overcome this, I write the paragraph indented and without the numbering. When finished, I insert the number at the first line. Yeah, I did that too, but unfortunately editing the paragraph requires a reflow, which takes the indent out. Others have suggestions that I have yet to try. 5) Is there a way to automatically file replies in the same folder that contains the message I'm replying to? Not as in Agent. You'll need to use Outgoing message filters that move outgoing message copies to particular folders of your choice. Ok. That's too bad; it seems like a standard thing to add to the folder config window, or maybe even a macro: %FileInFolder=Whatever Ahh well, the filters on outgoing messages work ok. 6) I like threading some folders by references/subject, but then I have to put the subject as the first field on the left. Not necessarily. That's the default setting. You can setup you columns however you like using the View Modes setup in the preferences. Huh weird. When I tried this upon installing 3.50 or 3.51, it started threading by message status. I thought it was weird, but figured that there must have been some requirement that the thread by field had to be left-most. Ahh well, glad it (now) actually works as I would have hoped. ;) 8) When I create folders for IMAP accounts, I want to create those folders on the server. How can I do this? Simply creating the folder right there in TB! creates one on the server. I had a big mess on my hands with this one. I created the folders, then went left. Hit the server from another client, and the folders were not there. Went back to my TB! setup where I made the changes in the first place, and the folders weren't there anymore! I tried Outlook and Opera, as well, and they didn't see the folders either. There was no %APPDATA%\The Bat! folder on my machine, either. I was spooked, but I connected and reconnected to the server enough times that one more connect attempt from TB! revealed that the folders were actually there... phew However, be careful nesting and unnesting IMAP folders from within TB!. This can create problems for some servers. I do that sort of thing via the web interface for my IMAP account. Yeah, our server requires parent folders to have a trailing forward- slash. No matter for me; I'm not nesting folders for that account anyway. 9) What are the document icons in the status window for? What are you referring to as the status window? Sorry, I meant status bar. Across the bottom I have four icons that seem to do with document generation, then English (input locale?). Then Stream (selection mode), Insert (v. overwrite), an icon for Priority (I assume), and then two icons with checkboxes that I can't figure out. thanks a bunch, -tom! -- Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Newly back to The Bat!, many questions.
I originally bought The Bat! way back in January 2000 because the email program I was using at the time, Agent, wasn't doing a couple of things that I wanted. After a year with The Bat!, I went back to Agent because quite frankly the message navigation and threading are far superior to that in The Bat!. However, not long ago Forte rolled out the latest and greatest version of Agent, and crippled some of the features that I wanted and after using it for a few days I had to export all of my messages and re-import them into the much older version of Agent that worked for me, so I figured I'd give TB! another try. I see that a few of the things that irritated me about The Bat! are fixed, but keyboard navigation is still woefully terrible. Anyhow, I actually come looking for help, since I'm not going to go back to Agent until some major changes happen with it, and I've recently upgraded to the latest TB, and ding-dong it's good enough for now. So my questions are thus: 1) By far the biggest issue I'm having right now is that the headers pane is a fixed size, but I want to display more headers in it. I have a huge screen resolution, and would like to make that panel longer so I can actually display gasp four lines of headers or more without having to scroll with the mouse. The stuff I'm putting up there are the standard things plus the POPfile headers, and the point is to be able to see them at a glance, not to have to scroll every single message to see if they've been categorized properly. 2) Is there a way I can auto-format hanging paragraphs like this? Alt-L allows me to left-justify everything, and when I'm typing if I manually indent the second line then subsequent lines flow as desired, but if I edit the text then I need to manually reflow the paragraph. It's not terribly hard, but TB is so good at reflowing text and quoted text and all that jazz that this seems close enough to work, were there a means to activate it. 3) My domain provider recently started offering POP and SMTP over SSL. I'd love to use it. Unfortunately for me, I need to access it with pop.fancy.org, and the host's certificate says their domain name. The Bat! subsequently refuses to connect. Is there a way I can tell The Bat!, yeah, I know it's the wrong hostname in the cert, but allow it anyway? I tried connecting to the hostname in the cert, but as I guessed previously to trying, it refused me. I have been using SSH and tunnelling over that, but I'd like to get rid of that extra step if possible. 4) I want to use a macro followed immediately by text. E.g. in my reply template, I want to put the cursor at the top of the message in the first column, but I also want to say You wrote: right there. Is there a way to stop macro processing? I had hoped that I could do %CursorYou wrote:, but that just strips the macro entirely, leaving wrote: on the first line. 5) Is there a way to automatically file replies in the same folder that contains the message I'm replying to? In most cases I don't want to do this, but in some I'm starting to feel that it's actually pretty handy. I have filters set up to file certain emails on receive to certain folders, and now I have to duplicate the exact same filter setup in the send filters, and copy doesn't work between receive and send filters! Ugh! (I set up a Gmail account tonight, and that one was easy; just file every sent message into the Inbox. ...although then I realized I actually wanted to BCC everything to myself @gmail.com, so did that via templates, exposing issue #4 to me.) 6) I like threading some folders by references/subject, but then I have to put the subject as the first field on the left. I'd love to have the message status/park/flag fields all the way on the left, as I do in non-threaded views. Is there a way to do this? (In the last 3.5x the view got /really/ screwed up when I tried to do it by pushing fields around in the View Manager.) 7) What is a common folder? I've been using TB again for a bit over a month now, understand (I think) what virtual folders are all about, but just noticed tonight this New Common Folder. There's nothing in the documentation about it, so... I'm curious. 8) When I create folders for IMAP accounts, I want to create those folders on the server. How can I do this? 9) What are the document icons in the status window for? Everything else I can figure out, but the two with the checkmarks (one is an envelope, one looks like a piece of paper) aren't coming to me... In general I have that problem; I don't know what the icons in the message status column of the message list mean, etc., etc., and that stuff doesn't seem to be in the help file. ...at least, not that I've been able to find... 10) Is there any way to export templates? Tonight I went through the painful process of
