Re: Active account question
Test for On--- On Saturday, August 14, 2010, at 11:20:14 AM, MFPA wrote: > I hope something I have said may be of use. Definitely useful, all of it! Your option C was what I came up with even before receiving your reply, and we'll see whether that does the trick. If it does, I'll move the TBUDL folder back to Common and do away with the special account, since it ought not to be necessary any more. The other extra account hasn't created any problems since it uses totally different servers (it's my ISP's mail service, which is too flaky to rely on so I run my own mail server at my web presence provider's site). -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VirtualBox 3.2.8 under Xubuntu 10.04.1 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Active account question
Hi On Saturday 14 August 2010 at 2:58:24 PM, in , Jim Kyle wrote: > Test for On--- On Saturday, August 14, 2010, at > 7:54:53 AM, MFPA wrote: >> Why? What happens if you right-click the folder where >> you need to move the messages from and select >> "re-filter..."? > Nothing at all, since the filters for routing those > messages are associated with another account. I thought operating them manually worked regardless of account. My memory must be at fault. I converted all mine to common filters a couple of years ago, and manually re-filtering messages in a folder takes no notice of whether the common filter is "shared with" the account that folder belongs to. >> I see nothing strange. Whatever account has focus is >> active. If a common or virtual folder has focus, no >> account is active. > That exactly describes what I see here, but the program > did not act this way with the older version that I used > for years. The old action was that this checkbox > determined which account would be used for server > access and had nothing to do with focus. It defaulted > to the account checked off as the "mailto" one, but > could be changed manually from the pop-up. I have never had any account ticked as the default for mailto. When I click a mailto URL, or when no account has focus and I create a new message or reply or forward (eg I'm in a common folder or virtual folder), a dialogue box appears for me to pick which account to use. When an account has focus, that one is used unless a macro in my template selects a different one or I change it manually. For receiving mail, the mailto default is irrelevant for server access. If focus is on an account and I select "get new mail" that account connects to its server if any is defined. If focus is on a common folder or virtual folder, "get new mail" is greyed out. If I change the "active account" by clicking on the left hand end of the status bar and selecting a different one from the pop-up menu, focus changes to that account. I usually use "Send + Check for All" to connect to the servers to collect my mail. This connects to the servers I have configured in the account settings for all my accounts, except where I have selected "Ignore 'Check All Accounts' request" in the account's properties. > The current > action makes it essentially useless since it offers no > information not already on the screen because of the > focus. This may be related to some other setting(s) that neither of us has considered, but what you now see is what I have experienced since I started using TB! version 2 in 2004. > Incidentally, I looked at the pop-up while typing this > reply, which is working in my "tbudlacct" account. None > of the three is checked. In my message editor window my correct account is selected for this reply. In my TB! main window the status bar is completely blank unless I move focus to a different account or to a common or virtual folder. > The reason for having a separate account for tbudl is > to have no numbering of replies when messaging here. My > normal account does number the replies, but folk > objected to that happening on the list -- and since > numbering is controlled at the account level, not by > the template in use, the separate account was > necessary. In my experience, the macro "%SINGLERE" in a reply template over-rides the option in account settings to "Use reply numbering in the subject line." Of course, you use a newer version of TB! and that may no longer be true. >> If you are creating "accounts" that will neither send >> nor receive mail, I have to wonder if your purpose >> might be better served by instead creating folders >> under your one account that actually sends and >> receives. > The tbudlacct must be able to send, but it need not > receive since the filter on the normal account will > direct incoming messages to it properly. The problem is > that messages to other recipients are sent from it with > no warning, unless I check the active account item > before replying. > If there are now macros that I can add to templates > that will force my desired routing, I'd definitely be > willing to use them! That is, all traffic to or from > tbudl should use tbudlacct while all other traffic > should use the account "web" I think putting your TBUDL folder under your "web" account and using "%SINGLERE" in your TBUDL reply template should be all that you need. If you wish to keep a separate account for tbudl outgoing messages, you should also add "%ACCOUNT='tbudlacct' to all your TBUDL templates. If your TBUDL account is collecting incoming mail from the same server as your "web" account and this is mucking up your filtering, I would suggest one of three approaches:- (A) don't define any incoming server in your TBUDL account, and select "Ignore 'Check All Accounts' request" in the account's properties. (B) convert all your incoming filters to common filters covering all acc
Re: Active account question
On Saturday, August 14, 2010, at 10:21:38 AM, Rick wrote: > Can't you use the "%SINGLERE" macro to achieve that on the template > level? It's already there in the reply template for this folder, but I had another idea: I've added two new filters to the Sorting Office, one for incoming and the other for outgoing, to move "any message" to the appropriate folder of the "web" account. Now if the sorting office will re-filter the messages after the move, the problem should be solved. -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VirtualBox 3.2.8 under Xubuntu 10.04.1 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Active account question
> The reason for having a separate account for tbudl is to have no numbering > of replies when messaging here. My normal account does number the replies, > but folk objected to that happening on the list -- and since numbering is > controlled at the account level, not by the template in use, the separate > account was necessary. Can't you use the "%SINGLERE" macro to achieve that on the template level? -- Rick When you're caffeinated, all is right with the world v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Active account question
Test for On--- On Saturday, August 14, 2010, at 7:54:53 AM, MFPA wrote: > Why? What happens if you right-click the folder where you need to move > the messages from and select "re-filter..."? Nothing at all, since the filters for routing those messages are associated with another account. I could move all of them to "Common" and it would probably work, but that introduced other problems when I tried it several years ago with a much older version of TB. > I see nothing strange. Whatever account has focus is active. If a > common or virtual folder has focus, no account is active. That exactly describes what I see here, but the program did not act this way with the older version that I used for years. The old action was that this checkbox determined which account would be used for server access and had nothing to do with focus. It defaulted to the account checked off as the "mailto" one, but could be changed manually from the pop-up. The current action makes it essentially useless since it offers no information not already on the screen because of the focus. Incidentally, I looked at the pop-up while typing this reply, which is working in my "tbudlacct" account. None of the three is checked. The reason for having a separate account for tbudl is to have no numbering of replies when messaging here. My normal account does number the replies, but folk objected to that happening on the list -- and since numbering is controlled at the account level, not by the template in use, the separate account was necessary. > If you are creating "accounts" that will neither send nor receive > mail, I have to wonder if your purpose might be better served by > instead creating folders under your one account that actually sends > and receives. The tbudlacct must be able to send, but it need not receive since the filter on the normal account will direct incoming messages to it properly. The problem is that messages to other recipients are sent from it with no warning, unless I check the active account item before replying. If there are now macros that I can add to templates that will force my desired routing, I'd definitely be willing to use them! That is, all traffic to or from tbudl should use tbudlacct while all other traffic should use the account "web" (the third account is for a service on different servers that I no longer track daily, but merely check manually every week or two). Thanks for the comments and suggestions! -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VirtualBox 3.2.8 under Xubuntu 10.04.1 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Active account question
Hi On Friday 13 August 2010 at 11:42:27 PM, in , Jim Kyle wrote: > I'm having a strange problem: from time to time, my > active account choice gets changed for no apparent > reason. The "active account" is simply the account you happen to be viewing at the time. When you view a folder of another account, that account becomes the active account. When you view a common folder or a virtual folder, no account is selected as "active." At least, that is my experience. > I have three separate accounts in my > installation but intend for only one of them to be used > for contacting my mail server. That can be achieved by having no details (or invalid details) for the mail server in the accounts you wish to not contact the mail server. I have accounts with "SMTP server" defined but nothing in "mail server" because the incoming mail is routed through a different account. > I check that one off on > the "active account" item of the system tray pop-up > menu, The selection will change according to which account or folder has focus (or, in other words, is active). Outgoing messages will be sent from whatever account you are viewing at the time (unless you change that manually in the message window or by means of a macro in your message templates). [...] > Since my sorting office has most of the filters defined > only for the "standard" account, this bollixes my > automatic sorting of messages. If you can't sort this as I described above, you could convert the filters from single account filters to common filters and select all accounts for the filter to "share" with. > I have to manually move > each new or sent message to the appropriate common > folder. Why? What happens if you right-click the folder where you need to move the messages from and select "re-filter..."? > Is anyone else experiencing such a strange situation, > or have any idea what might be going on? I see nothing strange. Whatever account has focus is active. If a common or virtual folder has focus, no account is active. If you are creating "accounts" that will neither send nor receive mail, I have to wonder if your purpose might be better served by instead creating folders under your one account that actually sends and receives. -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com A closed mouth gathers no foot Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Active account question
Hello Bats!, I'm having a strange problem: from time to time, my active account choice gets changed for no apparent reason. I have three separate accounts in my installation but intend for only one of them to be used for contacting my mail server. I check that one off on the "active account" item of the system tray pop-up menu, and have it checked as the default account for mailto actions. Neither of the others has the default account checkbox checked, nor are they set for checking automatically at any time. However, after TP has been running for a while, suddenly incoming and outgoing traffic is being handled by one of the two other accounts, and when I look at the systray pop-up, none of the accounts is checked as active -- or, sometimes, the checkmark has moved to the third account! I move it back manually, and a few hours later this happens again. Since my sorting office has most of the filters defined only for the "standard" account, this bollixes my automatic sorting of messages. I have to manually move each new or sent message to the appropriate common folder. Is anyone else experiencing such a strange situation, or have any idea what might be going on? FWIW, I'm running TB on WinXP Pro in a virtual machine, but that ought not have anything to do with this... My TB version is 4.2.36.4... -- Jim Kyle mailto:j...@jimkyle.com Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
