Re: Clean installation and ByesIt!
Hallo Edvinas, On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:06:45 +0200GMT (6-12-2005, 8:06 +0100, where I live), you wrote: IIRC those are BayesIt's dictionary files with words you've defined as spam or ham related. You're supposed to configure BayesIt so that it knows where you want it to place those files. EM I understand it perfectly. No, you don't. EM The problem is that with the clean installation I *don't have* those files. EM And when I don't have them BayesIt! does not vreate new ones, it just EM complains about missing files. You're supposed to tell BayesIt where to place them. So that when you mark messages as HAM or SPAM it knows where it has to create the files when they're not on the specified place. In order to create them you have to tell it where you want them, you can do that via the menu: Options - Preferences - Anti-Spam - BayesIt! - Configure - Basic filter's options - Working directory Just now, just for the pleasure of testing it for you I deleted the whole directory tree where my copy of BayesIt stores its stuff. Subsequently I marked some messages as SPAM or HAM and BayesIt created not only the files, but also the directory tree.. -- Groetjes, Roelof ERROR: 001 Windows loaded. System in danger. The Bat! 3.63.06 (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpGHIoMbIUX2.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Clean installation and ByesIt!
Hello Roelof, On Tuesday, December 6, 2005, at 10:52 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: You're supposed to tell BayesIt where to place them. So that when you mark messages as HAM or SPAM it knows where it has to create the files when they're not on the specified place. In order to create them you have to tell it where you want them, you can do that via the menu: Options - Preferences - Anti-Spam - BayesIt! - Configure - Basic filter's options - Working directory Just now, just for the pleasure of testing it for you I deleted the whole directory tree where my copy of BayesIt stores its stuff. Subsequently I marked some messages as SPAM or HAM and BayesIt created not only the files, but also the directory tree.. Well, it is not the case here. I was doing everything absolutely the same as you describing, however BayesIt creates just the following directories and files (output of dir *.* /s): === Directory of Q:\Mail\BayesIt 2005-12-06 11:10DIR . 2005-12-06 11:10DIR .. 2005-12-06 11:04DIR base 2005-12-06 11:06 2 587 bayesit.LOG 1 File(s) 2 587 bytes Directory of Q:\Mail\BayesIt\base 2005-12-06 11:04DIR . 2005-12-06 11:04DIR .. 2005-12-06 11:06DIR transact 0 File(s) 0 bytes Directory of Q:\Mail\BayesIt\base\transact 2005-12-06 11:06DIR . 2005-12-06 11:06DIR .. 2005-12-06 11:05 1 189 858 autotrain.bys 2005-12-06 11:0610 752 autotrain.idx 2005-12-06 11:0621 624 autotrain.lst 3 File(s) 1 222 234 bytes Total Files Listed: 4 File(s) 1 224 821 bytes 8 Dir(s) 7 176 785 920 bytes free == And here what is in BayesIt log file: 06.12.2005 11:16:25 --- New session log BayesIt! version: 06.12.2005 11:16:25 0.8.4 06.12.2005 11:16:25 Loading training information. 06.12.2005 11:16:25 Recalculating dictionaries from here: 06.12.2005 11:16:25 Z:\Edvinas\My Documents\Mail\BayesIt\base\spamdict.bye 06.12.2005 11:16:25 Loading whitelist... Number of loaded whitelist rules: 0 06.12.2005 11:16:25 Whitelist was loaded successfully 06.12.2005 11:16:25 Loading blacklist... Number of loaded blacklist rules: 0 06.12.2005 11:16:25 Blacklist was loaded successfully 06.12.2005 11:16:25 Loading ignorelist... Number of loaded ignorelist rules: 0 06.12.2005 11:16:25 Ignorelist was loaded successfully 06.12.2005 11:16:27 Background recalculation started... 06.12.2005 11:16:27 Z:\Edvinas\My Documents\Mail\BayesIt\base\nspamdict.bye 06.12.2005 11:16:27 Spam frequency dictionary: 06.12.2005 11:16:27 Error loading file. May be it is corrupted or lost. 06.12.2005 11:16:27 Non-spam frequency dictionary: 06.12.2005 11:16:27 Error loading file. May be it is corrupted or lost. 06.12.2005 11:16:27 Dictionary didn't load. Continue in training mode... -- Edvinas Using The Bat! 3.62.14 on Windows XP Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Clean installation and ByesIt!
Hallo Edvinas, On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 11:17:41 +0200GMT (6-12-2005, 10:17 +0100, where I live), you wrote: Just now, just for the pleasure of testing it for you I deleted the whole directory tree where my copy of BayesIt stores its stuff. Subsequently I marked some messages as SPAM or HAM and BayesIt created not only the files, but also the directory tree.. EM Well, it is not the case here. I was doing everything absolutely the same as EM you describing, however BayesIt creates just the following directories and EM files (output of dir *.* /s): Well, I got the same log entries as you, but when I mark messages as spam or ham I get this in my BayesIt log: : --- : Training mode... Value is 0, no tokens! : --- 06.12.2005 08:38:22 Preparing of autotraining: creation of folder and moving file with collected info into this folder. 06.12.2005 08:38:22 Preparing stage of autotraining is completed. 06.12.2005 08:38:25 This autotraining session will... 06.12.2005 08:38:25 change the 'non-spam' part of dictionary by: collected letters assigned to this part: 483 and the total counter of tokens: 203089 06.12.2005 08:38:25 change the 'spam' part of the dictionary by: collected letters assigned to this part: 940 and the total counter of tokens: 256299 Try pass number: 1 06.12.2005 08:38:26 Recalculation of 'spam' frequency dictionary... 06.12.2005 08:38:26 Recalculation of 'spam' completed. 06.12.2005 08:38:26 Recalculation of 'non-spam' frequency dictionary... 06.12.2005 08:38:26 Recalculation of 'non-spam' completed. 06.12.2005 08:38:26 Final checking of current recalculation... 06.12.2005 08:38:26 checking integrity of new 'non-spam' dictionary... 06.12.2005 08:38:26 Checking of this dictionary is completed. 06.12.2005 08:38:26 checking integrity of new 'non-spam' dictionary... 06.12.2005 08:38:26 Checking of this dictionary is completed. 06.12.2005 08:38:26 Refreshing main 'non-spam' dictionary by recalculated one. 06.12.2005 08:38:26 Refreshing main 'spam' dictionary by recalculated one. 06.12.2005 08:38:26 All autotraining processes completed. You need to train BayesIt, not with one or two messages, but with a couple of hundred, so that it gets a reasonable idea of what you consider spam. BayesIt will not work immediately out of the box and it never will. The EM 06.12.2005 11:16:27 Dictionary didn't load. Continue in training mode... that you quoted from your log is BayesIt's way to ask for training -- Groetjes, Roelof User - a technical term used by computer pros. See idiot. The Bat! 3.63.06 (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpR4xZjhY5Sj.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Clean installation and ByesIt!
On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 11:17:41 +0200, Edvinas Matiušaitis wrote: Well, it is not the case here. I was doing everything absolutely the same as you describing, however BayesIt creates just the following directories and files (output of dir *.* /s): === Directory of Q:\Mail\BayesIt 2005-12-06 11:10DIR . 2005-12-06 11:10DIR .. 2005-12-06 11:04DIR base 2005-12-06 11:06 2 587 bayesit.LOG 1 File(s) 2 587 bytes Directory of Q:\Mail\BayesIt\base 2005-12-06 11:04DIR . 2005-12-06 11:04DIR .. 2005-12-06 11:06DIR transact 0 File(s) 0 bytes Well, I've been down this road also, so you're not alone Edvinas. I seem to recall that the problem occurs when the mail folder is not in the 'default' location, i.e. as part of the TB program folder group. IIRC I *think* I got over the problem by creating two 'dummy' files using notepad and manually copying them to the 'new' Bayesit location. Once BayesIt managed to write some extra entries to this location then everything worked OK afterwards. Make doubly sure that the folder locations are EXACTLY where they should be in the Bayeit options. And, make sure that you haven't got TWO copies of BayesIt installed in different locations. I had these problems a few versions ago and up to now subsequent program 'upgrades' have worked OK. Good Luck! -- Best regards Barry barryh'at'kentra'dot'co'dot'uk Using TheBat! version 3.62.14 and BayesIt! 0.8.4 Release Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Clean installation and ByesIt!
Hallo BJH, On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:38:48 +GMT (6-12-2005, 11:38 +0100, where I live), you wrote: B I seem to recall that the problem occurs when the mail folder is not in the B 'default' location, i.e. as part of the TB program folder group. Can't be the problem, as I don't store my messages there either. -- Groetjes, Roelof Windows 95: Making Windows work just like a Mac did 10 years ago! The Bat! 3.63.06 (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpYS8tH8W9gn.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Clean installation and ByesIt!
Hello Roelof, On Tuesday, December 6, 2005, at 11:37 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: You need to train BayesIt, not with one or two messages, but with a couple of hundred, so that it gets a reasonable idea of what you consider spam. BayesIt will not work immediately out of the box and it never will. The EM 06.12.2005 11:16:27 Dictionary didn't load. Continue in training mode... that you quoted from your log is BayesIt's way to ask for training Well, you were right. I had not enough spam messages for BayesIt to get proper training. When I've marked a couple of hundreds of messages as spam, then a couple of hundreds of messages as not spam ant BayesIt exited training mode and created those missing files. -- Edvinas Using The Bat! 3.62.14 on Windows XP Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Clean installation and ByesIt!
Hallo Edvinas, On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:51:46 +0200GMT (6-12-2005, 16:51 +0100, where I live), you wrote: EM Well, you were right. I had not enough spam messages for BayesIt to get EM proper training. Actually, that's the reason that I'm keeping about 1000 messages in my junk folder. Whenever I decide to retrain BayesIt I still have enough bad mail. Enough good mail isn't the problem as I keep somewhat more of those... -- Groetjes, Roelof Where there's smoke, there's toast. The Bat! 3.63.06 (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgp6HtGAKjwtx.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Clean installation and ByesIt!
Hello, I've made clean installation of The Bat! then added BayesIt and everything what I got were missing spamdict.bye and nspamdict.bye files. I just wonder if anyone at Ritlabs tried to do clean installation of verion 3.62.14? -- Edvinas Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Clean installation and ByesIt!
Hallo Edvinas, On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:17:01 +0200GMT (5-12-2005, 18:17 +0100, where I live), you wrote: EM I've made clean installation of The Bat! then added BayesIt and everything EM what I got were missing spamdict.bye and nspamdict.bye files. IIRC those are BayesIt's dictionary files with words you've defined as spam or ham related. You're supposed to configure BayesIt so that it knows where you want it to place those files. -- Groetjes, Roelof Pride is what we have. Vanity is what others have. The Bat! 3.63.06 (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpXp6JXfw2fd.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Clean installation and ByesIt!
Hello Roelof, On Monday, December 5, 2005, at 19:48 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: EM I've made clean installation of The Bat! then added BayesIt and everything EM what I got were missing spamdict.bye and nspamdict.bye files. IIRC those are BayesIt's dictionary files with words you've defined as spam or ham related. You're supposed to configure BayesIt so that it knows where you want it to place those files. I understand it perfectly. The problem is that with the clean installation I *don't have* those files. And when I don't have them BayesIt! does not vreate new ones, it just complains about missing files. -- Edvinas Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
