Re: No Bayesit Stats
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:34:45 -0500, MikeD (2) wrote: Yes, I just registered my copy a couple of days ago. In most ways it works better than BayesIt, but I still get more false positives with it than with BayesIt. But I am still tweeking the settings g What settings are you currently using? I have set it up as follows: Out of 100 score: Average Delete a message: No Move a message to Junk: Yes, with score greater than 50 Move messages marked as junk to the Junk Folder: Yes Use the common junk folder: No -- Best regards Barry barryh'at'kentra'dot'co'dot'uk Using TheBat! version 3.64.01 (Christmas Edition) and AGAVA 2.1.6 Release Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: No Bayesit Stats
Hello Barry, Friday, January 13, 2006, 4:02:24 AM, you wrote: B What settings are you currently using? B I have set it up as follows: B Out of 100 score: Average B Delete a message: No B Move a message to Junk: Yes, with score greater than 50 B Move messages marked as junk to the Junk Folder: Yes B Use the common junk folder: No The only difference I have is my junk score is currently up to 15. I had it down into the single digits for BayesIt g I have been sneaking it up, but slowly. Just one or two points a week. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.65 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No Bayesit Stats
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:35:01 -0500, MikeD (2) wrote: Ahh, I get it now. My explanation of the behavior of the '~' file is, I think, still correct. As to why you are not seeing any spam filtering, if you your black and white lists are doing was much as you say, I think that means that not much mail is getting to the actual BayesIt filter to be counted. Having said that, would have expected some info there. I can send you a copy of my stat.bin if you think that might help. Or uninstall / reinstall the plug in might help. My stat.bin is a binary file, so there may be a required structure for it to be recognized as a valid stat file. Well, I've taken your lead and installed a copy of AGAVA for a trial. And I have to say that first impressions are pretty favourable. I trained it up with my batch of spam emails and its working very well. It certainly *seems* a lot easier to get going than BayesIt! -- Best regards Barry barryh'at'kentra'dot'co'dot'uk Using TheBat! version 3.64.01 (Christmas Edition) and BayesIt! 0.8.4 Release Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No Bayesit Stats
Hello Barry, Thursday, January 12, 2006, 12:58:48 AM, you wrote: B Well, I've taken your lead and installed a copy of AGAVA for a trial. And I B have to say that first impressions are pretty favourable. I trained it up B with my batch of spam emails and its working very well. Ive been using it for almost the full 30 days. I like it as well. After training a few emails its working well. Ill probably end up purchasing it. -- Darrin Using The Bat! v3.64.01 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: No Bayesit Stats
Hello Darrin, Thursday, January 12, 2006, 9:34:29 AM, you wrote: D Hello Barry, D Thursday, January 12, 2006, 12:58:48 AM, you wrote: B Well, I've taken your lead and installed a copy of AGAVA for a trial. And I B have to say that first impressions are pretty favourable. I trained it up B with my batch of spam emails and its working very well. D Ive been using it for almost the full 30 days. I like it as well. D After training a few emails its working well. Ill probably end up D purchasing it. Yes, I just registered my copy a couple of days ago. In most ways it works better than BayesIt, but I still get more false positives with it than with BayesIt. But I am still tweeking the settings g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.65 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
No Bayesit Stats
Hi I've noticed that BayesIt doesn't seem to be saving any stats. Has anyone else noticed this or can anyone suggest a fix? -- Best regards Barry barryh'at'kentra'dot'co'dot'uk Using TheBat! version 3.64.01 (Christmas Edition) and BayesIt! 0.8.4 Release Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No Bayesit Stats
Hello Barry, Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 6:43:22 AM, you wrote: B Hi B I've noticed that BayesIt doesn't seem to be saving any stats. B Has anyone else noticed this or can anyone suggest a fix? I can't look at the moment 'cuz I am currently testing out AGAVA. But I seem to recall seeing stats when I did use it. There were 4 that I remember looking at ... correctly filtered spam and ham, mis-filtered for both as well. My goal was to keep ham classified as spam as close to zero as possible. I think BayesIt was better than any of the other filters I have tried in terms of not putting ham in the spam folder. But I wasn't particularly 'religious' about checking the stats. I was more interested in the results g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.65 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No Bayesit Stats
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:02:25 -0500, MikeD (2) wrote: But I wasn't particularly 'religious' about checking the stats. I was more interested in the results g Well, for sure, but I've been running 'FileMon' and it seems to me that BayesIt isn't working quite right. It seems as if it tries to open ~stat.bin as well as stat.bin. Unfortunately ~stat.bin doesn't exist. I tried making a copy of stat.bin and renaming it to ~stat.bin but BayesIt just deletes it at the end of the session. If I remove both files then BayesIt doesn't recreate either, which I would have expected it to do. -- Best regards Barry barryh'at'kentra'dot'co'dot'uk Using TheBat! version 3.64.01 (Christmas Edition) and BayesIt! 0.8.4 Release Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: No Bayesit Stats
Hello Barry, Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 10:09:55 AM, you wrote: B On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:02:25 -0500, MikeD (2) wrote: But I wasn't particularly 'religious' about checking the stats. I was more interested in the results g B Well, for sure, but I've been running 'FileMon' and it seems to me that B BayesIt isn't working quite right. It seems as if it tries to open B ~stat.bin as well as stat.bin. Unfortunately ~stat.bin doesn't exist. I B tried making a copy of stat.bin and renaming it to ~stat.bin but BayesIt B just deletes it at the end of the session. B If I remove both files then BayesIt doesn't recreate either, which I would B have expected it to do. Well I have never dug into it quite that deeply, but it sounds like those files are only used for calculating stats, not for the actual filtering, so their not being around should not cause a filter issue. As to the '~' file, that is a common practice for naming temp files that are temp backups for open files. For example word does that as well. The '~' files are deleted when they are no longer needed ... usually g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.65 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No Bayesit Stats
Barry @ 1/11/2006 5:43:22 AM No Bayesit Stats mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Has anyone else noticed this or can anyone suggest a fix? This is a shot in the dark. Are the permissions on the stats file correct? -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for you and me. Using The Bat! v3.64.01 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. Today's Oxymoron: Clearly misunderstood pgplkWX0PN14M.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No Bayesit Stats
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:33:56 -0500, MikeD (2) wrote: Well I have never dug into it quite that deeply, but it sounds like those files are only used for calculating stats, not for the actual filtering, so their not being around should not cause a filter issue. Mike, I think we may be at crossed purposes here. :) My filtering is working very well. I use whitelist and blacklist extensively and this seems to be the best approach. I just sometimes look at the stats for interest and was surprised to see that Bayesit was reporting 'nil' spam! This got me thinking and that's when digging deeper I noticed the apparent issue with the 'stat.bin' file? -- Best regards Barry barryh'at'kentra'dot'co'dot'uk Using TheBat! version 3.64.01 (Christmas Edition) and BayesIt! 0.8.4 Release Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No Bayesit Stats
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:57:43 -0600, Chris wrote: This is a shot in the dark. Are the permissions on the stats file correct? As far as I can tell. FileMon shows that Bayesit is accessing the file to read it but just doesn't seem to write anything. But I don't know whether this file stat.bin is the log file or not? Perhaps someone could let me know? I did once come across an installation/upgrade problem in the past where if a file doesn't exist BayesIt doesn't seem to be clever enough to create it...so I'm wondering if this is the problem here. -- Best regards Barry barryh'at'kentra'dot'co'dot'uk Using TheBat! version 3.64.01 (Christmas Edition) and BayesIt! 0.8.4 Release Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: No Bayesit Stats
Hello Barry, Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 12:16:23 PM, you wrote: B On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:33:56 -0500, MikeD (2) wrote: B Well I have never dug into it quite that deeply, but it sounds like those files are only used for calculating stats, not for the actual filtering, so their not being around should not cause a filter issue. B B Mike, I think we may be at crossed purposes here. :) I wasn't sure ... when you said no spam I thought maybe you meant it wasn't catching any g B My filtering is working very well. I use whitelist and blacklist B extensively and this seems to be the best approach. B I just sometimes look at the stats for interest and was surprised to see B that Bayesit was reporting 'nil' spam! This got me thinking and that's when B digging deeper I noticed the apparent issue with the 'stat.bin' file? Ahh, I get it now. My explanation of the behavior of the '~' file is, I think, still correct. As to why you are not seeing any spam filtering, if you your black and white lists are doing was much as you say, I think that means that not much mail is getting to the actual BayesIt filter to be counted. Having said that, would have expected some info there. I can send you a copy of my stat.bin if you think that might help. Or uninstall / reinstall the plug in might help. My stat.bin is a binary file, so there may be a required structure for it to be recognized as a valid stat file. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.65 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
