Submission Forms
Hi Anybody know how to get Submission Forms to work? The help file has quite a good write-up on what they are and the structure of a submission form template but gives no clue as to how to do it. For example, where do you store the TBC-file so that TB! detects it? I have copied the sample TBC-file from the help file (obviously signing it not copying the signature in the help file) and saved it in my Bat!Application data folder and Options/submission forms menu entry is still greyed-out, even after restarting TB!. Putting the TBC-file in the folder for an account does not work either. What am I missing? -- Best regards, MFPA Roses smell better than onions but don't make such good soup Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Submission Forms?
Hi On Saturday 4 June 2005 at 10:46:18 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Stefan Tanurkov wrote: Hello MFPA, The theory is clear but how do you actually add/use a submission forms template? The forms in version 3.5 were significantly changed. Doesn't worry me as I still use v3.0.1.33. The new forms work only with certificates (yet - PGP will be supported in the next release) and they are in HTML format now. To create a new form: 1. Prepare HTML form in any HTML editor capable to create/edit forms. Do you mean an external application or the HTML editor in TB!? 2. Use the Options|Submission Forms menu command Here, this menu item is greyed out. [...] -- Best regards, MFPA You're only young once; you can be immature forever Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Submission Forms?
Hi On Sunday 5 June 2005 at 12:08:33 AM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Vili wrote: There is more than enough info about them in the help, with examples. I have made the Hungarian translation of that, so even I understood it :) The theory is clear but how do you actually add/use a submission forms template? -- Best regards, MFPA Teamwork is essential -- it allows you to blame someone else Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Submission Forms?
There is more than enough info about them in the help, with examples. I have made the Hungarian translation of that, so even I understood it :) M The theory is clear but how do you actually add/use a submission M forms template? By hand. So you write it in the editor, digitally signed it and that is all. After that: Options, Submission forms. -- Vili Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Submission Forms?
Hi On Friday 3 June 2005 at 12:43:23 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Vili wrote: There is more than enough info about them in the help, with examples. I have made the Hungarian translation of that, so even I understood it :) M The theory is clear but how do you actually add/use a submission M forms template? By hand. So you write it in the editor, digitally signed it and that is all. After that: Options, Submission forms. I had not previously noticed that entry in the Options menu. How do you activate it? (It is greyed out at the moment.) -- Best regards, MFPA Two rights do not make a wrong. They make an airplane. Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Submission Forms?
M The theory is clear but how do you actually add/use a submission M forms template? By hand. So you write it in the editor, digitally signed it and that is all. After that: Options, Submission forms. M I had not previously noticed that entry in the Options menu. How M do you activate it? (It is greyed out at the moment.) I dont know... It was always active for me. I am using v3.0.1.33 now. But I dont think, that it should not work in v3.5. Hmm... Second thought. Maybe it is inactive out as you dont have a PGP key in your PGP depot. PGP is needed for Submission forms. So, make a PGP key and come back with the result! -- Vili Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Submission Forms?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hi On Friday 3 June 2005 at 6:14:33 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Vili wrote: M I had not previously noticed that entry in the Options menu. How M do you activate it? (It is greyed out at the moment.) I dont know... It was always active for me. I am using v3.0.1.33 now. But I dont think, that it should not work in v3.5. I'm using 3.0.1.33 too. Hmm... Second thought. Maybe it is inactive out as you dont have a PGP key in your PGP depot. PGP is needed for Submission forms. So, make a PGP key and come back with the result! I already have keys and use pgp on a regular basis. I understand the template is a text file with a .tbc extension. Where are these stored? Perhaps I need to put one in the right place. - -- Best regards, MFPA Life is far too important a thing ever to talk seriously about Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.1 - not licensed for commercial use: www.pgp.com iQCVAwUBQqHyKqipC46tDG5pAQE6jgQAgkvkqlgCYq3Npi8xVOuz232VDDkXY/vS lSdnWllDh0V9/d/O2XgjJxEu3GiNEDKoutSkqdk2R9HxkCMRuknV8TJSoux8o/mM kb34bR28SgQRPouIDznldfmr1N4HZiMxIKUaZvYQkvwv9QuyACcUl6LWeGKTye2w TkFa9KPTW78= =J84Z -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Submission Forms?
Hello MFPA, The theory is clear but how do you actually add/use a submission forms template? The forms in version 3.5 were significantly changed. The new forms work only with certificates (yet - PGP will be supported in the next release) and they are in HTML format now. To create a new form: 1. Prepare HTML form in any HTML editor capable to create/edit forms. 2. Use the Options|Submission Forms menu command 3. Click Add 4. Choose the form name and the file it will be stored in (you may use the Browse button) 5. Click the Load button and select the HTML form you've prepared. 6. Configure the form parameters and save the form. Well, the new form system is quite cryptic in some aspects, but it's now possible to create and maintain forms more easily. -- Best regards, Stefanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Submission Forms?
Hi all I've been using V3.5 for a while now and I've found the option for Submission Forms What are these? Seem interesting, but I can't find anything in the help file about them. Does someone know how I can find out what this all means? ;) -- Best regards Barry barryh'at'kentra'dot'co'dot'uk Using TheBat! version 3.5.25 and BayesIt! 0.8.1 Release Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Submission Forms?
Hello Barry, Seem interesting, but I can't find anything in the help file about them. Yes, there is some info in Help. I don't know if enough, but there is some, even about Form templates. Just search Help for 'forms'. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.25 Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Submission Forms?
Hi On Friday 3 June 2005 at 12:15:29 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Barry wrote: I've been using V3.5 for a while now and I've found the option for Submission Forms They are not new. Mentioned in the help file for v3.0.1.33 and I'm sure I read it in v2 when I first installed TB! What are these? Help file (v3.0.1.33) begins:- Submission forms are a tool for creating queries that are automatically processed. A query is actually a message with strictly defined fields and string variables. The queries come from a user equipped with The Bat! software with form templates (files with a TBC-extension). Such a user is referred to as the client. Before submitting a query, The Bat! asks the user to fill out a form, which looks very much like forms that you have probably filled out on the Web. [...] The bit that really confuses me is Upon reception of a template file and verification of the digital signature, the client adds it to the list of template forms. There is no hint as to where this list resides or how to add to (or create?) it. -- Best regards, MFPA I think not, said Descartes, and promptly disappeared Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Submission Forms?
Seem interesting, but I can't find anything in the help file about them. M Yes, there is some info in Help. I don't know if enough, but there is M some, even about Form templates. Just search Help for 'forms'. There is more than enough info about them in the help, with examples. I have made the Hungarian translation of that, so even I understood it :) -- Vili Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Submission Forms?
M They are not new. Mentioned in the help file for v3.0.1.33 and I'm M sure I read it in v2 when I first installed TB! It was even in v1 :) -- Vili Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Submission forms
Hello Marek, Tuesday, January 11, 2005, 7:25:41 AM, you wrote: M I am using it for registering The Bat! licences and in past, I had M some forms for secure communication with a friends. Actualy, I am M using SF for registrations only. Would you be willing to share some code on that? -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons: http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PCWSmileys: http://PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Tagline of the day: COMMAND: A suggestion made to a computer. Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Submission forms
Hello all, Wednesday, January 12, 2005, Leif Gregory wrote: M I am using it for registering The Bat! licences and in past, I had M some forms for secure communication with a friends. Actualy, I am M using SF for registrations only. Would you be willing to share some code on that? no problem, but I must find them, I am not using this type of communication for some years. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Submission forms
Hello Everyone! Has anyone here ever used Submission Forms as supplied by The Bat!? They are described in Main Window/Help/Index/Submission Forms. I would be interested to know whether anyone has ever used this feature. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Submission forms
Hello all, Tuesday, January 11, 2005, Mary Bull wrote: Has anyone here ever used Submission Forms as supplied by The Bat!? yes. They are described in Main Window/Help/Index/Submission Forms. I would be interested to know whether anyone has ever used this feature. I am using it for registering The Bat! licences and in past, I had some forms for secure communication with a friends. Actualy, I am using SF for registrations only. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Submission forms
Hello Marek! On Tuesday, January 11, 2005, 8:25 AM, you wrote: I am using it for registering The Bat! licences and in past, I had some forms for secure communication with a friends. Actualy, I am using SF for registrations only. I see. Thanks for your prompt answer. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
submission forms
Hi I'm new to the group ;-) I was interested in submission forms which the bat handles. The blurb says that this feature is designed for forms that are of standard format. (And between Bat client and Bat client) But does this mean they could work with forms from a website? Has anyone achieved this? Andrew -- thanks, andrew mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: submission forms
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi andrew, On 02 June 2001 at 17:17:19 +0100 (which was 17:17 where I live) andrew wrote to thebat and made these points: a I was interested in submission forms which the bat handles. The a blurb says that this feature is designed for forms that are of a standard format. (And between Bat client and Bat client) But does a this mean they could work with forms from a website? No, it doesn't. The Standard format means that they appear as a standard dialog box/form. They only work between a server TB and a client TB. I haven't used them myself. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / SB! v1.53/iKey1000( 55238-48F0B) on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7GSEMOeQkq5KdzaARAinfAKC+2NaQDBKtR9zlGHshDK8YFigRVQCg92vH UAZUxJpY7DmRh4rooMN6nvQ= =yjVr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: submission forms
Hello Marck, On Sat, 2 Jun 2001, at 18:23:23 [GMT +0100, your local time] (2.6.2001 at 19:23 was my local time), you wrote to andrew on TBUDL: a I was interested in submission forms which the bat handles. The ... MDP No, it doesn't. The Standard format means that they appear as a MDP standard dialog box/form. They only work between a server TB and a MDP client TB. I haven't used them myself. But, do you have some sample TBC files? Will they work if I import one? I need some sample TBC files to see. Is it really necessary for them to be signed with RFC-1991 PGP implementation? Can we make them clear? -- Sincerely, Lija Using The Bat! v1.51 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 3 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
submission forms
Hi I'm new to the group ;-) I was interested in submission forms which the bat handles. The blurb says that this feature is designed for forms that are of stanard format. Does this mean they could work with forms from a website? Has anyone achieved this? Andrew -- thanks, andrewmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: submission forms
Hi andrew, before i look stupid ;-) I know they're designed to work with a bat client rather than web pages. But I just though as they say they can work with stadard form formats they might work with html forms. Andrew ;-) Friday, June 01, 2001, 12:31:47 PM, you wrote: a Hi I'm new to the group ;-) a I was interested in submission forms which the bat handles. The blurb a says that this feature is designed for forms that are of stanard a format. Does this mean they could work with forms from a website? Has a anyone achieved this? a Andrew -- thanks, andrewmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Sorting by thread (was:Re: submission forms)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 12:31:47 +0100GMT (which is 13:31 +0200GMT where I live), andrew presented us with these thoughts about submission forms: a Hi I'm new to the group ;-) a I was interested in submission forms which the bat handles. The blurb a says that this feature is designed for forms that are of stanard a format. Does this mean they could work with forms from a website? Has a anyone achieved this? a Andrew Hi Andrew, I'm sorry not to be able to answer your question. There is another little thing concerning mailing lists in general that I want to mention (I made the same mistake myself when I started with TB!): You obviously set up your new message by hitting reply on a random message. As I am in the lucky situation to have a very good mailer here which is capable of providing oversight of large mailing lists like TBUDL by sorting the threads, your reply caused a little confusion at first. You need to know that TB! sorts threads by message-id, which will not be altered when you change the subject. This is very useful, particularly with long threads. :o) You appear to use a very good mailer too, so it should be easy for you to make an address book entry and create a new mail whenever you create a new thread. This way you wouldn't have to type the address manually +plus+ you need not delete the quotes... ;o) (+plus+ you wouldn't confuse thread viewers like me *s*) You will like TB! :) Cheers Peter - -- PGP-Key: http://www.meynsweb.com/public-key.txt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) - GnuPGshell v1.76 Comment: GnuPG-signed for better authentication. Comment: Key-ID: 0xE10774CE *Info: http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7F+jCAzZSBuEHdM4RAvX0AKDPnu/p0eymYIwlaPOefXBDCOWdZgCfSaH3 VjYiWJ2SjBaL2b0t635WJCE= =ZYfY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Sorting by thread (was:Re: submission forms)
Hi Peter, ok thanks ;-) (sheepishly) Andrew Friday, June 01, 2001, 8:12:37 PM, you wrote: PM -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- PM Hash: SHA1 PM On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 12:31:47 +0100GMT (which is 13:31 +0200GMT where I live), PM andrew presented us with these thoughts about submission forms: a Hi I'm new to the group ;-) a I was interested in submission forms which the bat handles. The blurb a says that this feature is designed for forms that are of stanard a format. Does this mean they could work with forms from a website? Has a anyone achieved this? a Andrew PM Hi Andrew, PM I'm sorry not to be able to answer your question. PM There is another little thing concerning mailing lists in general that I want to PM mention (I made the same mistake myself when I started with TB!): PM You obviously set up your new message by hitting reply on a random message. As I PM am in the lucky situation to have a very good mailer here which is capable of PM providing oversight of large mailing lists like TBUDL by sorting the threads, PM your reply caused a little confusion at first. You need to know that TB! sorts PM threads by message-id, which will not be altered when you change the PM subject. This is very useful, particularly with long threads. :o) PM You appear to use a very good mailer too, so it should be easy for you to make PM an address book entry and create a new mail whenever you create a new thread. PM This way you wouldn't have to type the address manually +plus+ you need not PM delete the quotes... ;o) (+plus+ you wouldn't confuse thread viewers like me PM *s*) PM You will like TB! :) PM Cheers PM Peter PM - -- PM PGP-Key: http://www.meynsweb.com/public-key.txt PM -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- PM Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) - GnuPGshell v1.76 PM Comment: GnuPG-signed for better authentication. PM Comment: Key-ID: 0xE10774CE *Info: http://www.gnupg.org PM iD8DBQE7F+jCAzZSBuEHdM4RAvX0AKDPnu/p0eymYIwlaPOefXBDCOWdZgCfSaH3 PM VjYiWJ2SjBaL2b0t635WJCE= PM =ZYfY PM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- thanks, andrewmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
TB submission forms
Hello TBUDL subscribers, Also, does anyone have some TBC files to send me, just to see how them look like and work? TIA. -- Best regards, Lija Using The Bat! v1.49 on Windows 95 4.0 Build B -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Submission forms
Hello Jast, On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 at 06:12:09 [GMT +0100], you wrote: J Thanks, but... J I imported the PGP-key and added the forms. Now this may sound J stupid, but I still have no idea how to use them. I see them in the J submission forms menu window, but all I can do with them is delete J them from there again... Am I doing something wrong? Click on Message from the TB toolbar, and select a form under "Submit a Form" slide box. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID: 0x8604279A (DH/DSS) Fingerprint: 9E16 4316 FA42 5DC6 EB1D D0ED D37A 858A 8604 279A Using The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: A BIG ROCKmeA HARD PLACE -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Submission forms
Hi, ... J I imported the PGP-key and added the forms. Now this may sound stupid, but J I still have no idea how to use them. I see them in the submission forms J menu window, but all I can do with them is delete them from there again... J Am I doing something wrong? from a mail to this list I wrote in January 1999: Example: you want to provide the service "wish list". So we declare you the server ;-) The server has to write a form, put it in a TB mail and sign it with PGP. He then sends this mail containing the signed form to all clients (all those subscribers of this list willing to add to your wish list). Each client has to fire up TB, receive this mail, check the digital signature (using your PGP key) and then store the form in a file with a .TBC extension, e.g. TBWISH.TBC. The client now adds this form to his list of submission forms. (This is where we do not succeed, so the following is what I think how it should work) Now the client (e.g. me) wants to send you an entry for the wish list. To do that I start TB and "call" your form TBWISH.TBC. TB presents me an input window (formatted according to your form specification) to enter my wishes and, when I press OK, sends my input to you in a special formatted mail signed with my PGP key. You, the server, receive this mail, verify my digital signature and handle the data. Because the data was automatically formatted by the client's (my) TB, you can easily write a program to process the data (i.e. add my wishes to the wish list). Because PGP was used - I knew that this form really comes from you and not for example from MS trying to steel our good ideas ;-) - you know that the wish real was from me and can send me the donation for my great ideas :-) Does this make things clearer? Now we only have to make it work ;-) -- Regards, Wolfgang Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 95 4.0 Build B in Darmstadt, Germany, on a 166Mhz Cyrix, 128MB SDRAM, half SCSI system ;-) http://people.frankfurt.netsurf.de/wky/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Submission forms
Hello Jast, On Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:49:22 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Monday, January 24, 2000, 10:49:22 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Jast wrote: Jast That poses the question: How would I find out if they support the forms, that Jast is, ensuring they know what I mean when I ask them about it? g Sounds like the response we got means they were waiting for a volenteer... -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: Submission forms
Hello Max; Yes, exact same problem as Leif. - John, Wednesday, January 26, 2000 Registered User, using V: 1.39 EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Page: http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/jtruchon Wednesday, January 26, 2000, You Wrote: $ Hello Leif, Tuesday, January 25, 2000, 6:38:41 PM, you wrote: MM Examples are attached. Hope you find them useful. But, before MM installing them, import office.txt PGPkey. LG Hmmm, I must be doing something wrong. I imported your PGP keys and LG signed them, but whenever I try to add the forms, I get an invalid LG signature. LG Any ideas? No, by now. Does anywone has same troubles? -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Submission forms
Hello Leif, Tuesday, January 25, 2000, 6:38:41 PM, you wrote: MM Examples are attached. Hope you find them useful. But, before MM installing them, import office.txt PGPkey. LG Hmmm, I must be doing something wrong. I imported your PGP keys and LG signed them, but whenever I try to add the forms, I get an invalid LG signature. LG Any ideas? No, by now. Does anywone has same troubles? -- Best regards, Maxmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Submission forms
Hello, The Bat Users! MM Submission forms require internal PGP implementation, but you MM need not any additional dlls - everything is inside thebat.exe MM Examples are attached. Hope you find them useful. But, before MM installing them, import office.txt PGPkey. LG Hmmm, I must be doing something wrong. I imported your PGP keys and LG signed them, but whenever I try to add the forms, I get an invalid LG signature. LG Any ideas? LG I have the international PGP v5.5 installed and the Thebat pgp dll as LG well. Max wrote above that you should use The Bat internal implementation of PGP. So Go to Tools|PGP|Choose version, select internal implementation, then setup it as required (I'm sorry, I never used PGP, so I don't know exactly what you have to do), then play with forms... -- Best regards, Andrewmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.38e S/N E9230B5C under Russian Windows 95 4.0 Build B -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Submission forms
Hello Leif, Tuesday, January 25, 2000, 6:38:41 PM, you wrote: LG Hmmm, I must be doing something wrong. I imported your PGP keys and LG signed them, but whenever I try to add the forms, I get an invalid LG signature. LG Any ideas? LG I have the international PGP v5.5 installed and the Thebat pgp dll as LG well. Oh, sorry for my previous message... Sure, I do have the idea! As said, submission forms work with internal PGP implementation only! Select "Tools/Pgp/Choose Version".. -- Best regards, Maxmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Submission forms
Hello Max, On Tue, 25 Jan 2000 at 23:07:09 [GMT +0200], you wrote: MM Oh, sorry for my previous message... Sure, I do have the idea! As MM said, submission forms work with internal PGP implementation only! MM Select "Tools/Pgp/Choose Version".. Ahhh, this does indeed look like the problem. I can't seem to figure out how to use my existing keyring with the TB internal version, so until I can do that, I'll have to wait to test the submission forms. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID: 0x8604279A (DH/DSS) Fingerprint: 9E16 4316 FA42 5DC6 EB1D D0ED D37A 858A 8604 279A Using The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Percussive maintenance - The fine art of slapping the crap out of an electronic device to get it in working order again. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Submission forms
Hi there! On 26 Jan 00, at 6:14, Leif Gregory wrote about "Re: Submission forms": Ahhh, this does indeed look like the problem. I can't seem to figure out how to use my existing keyring with the TB internal version, so until I can do that, I'll have to wait to test the submission forms. You can't. Internal PGP works with RSA keys *only*, whereas your existing keyring is probably mainly DH/DSS... -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Submission forms
Hello Alexander V. Kiselev, On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 00:38:03 +0300 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, January 26, 2000, 4:38:03 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: Alexander You can't. Internal PGP works with RSA keys *only*, whereas your existing Alexander keyring is probably mainly DH/DSS... My keys are RSA and on opening the forms the error about signature is there. Have they been properly signed -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.41 / Beta1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Submission forms
Hello Leif Gregory, On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 06:14:09 +0859 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, January 26, 2000, 4:15:09 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Leif Gregory wrote: Leif On Tue, 25 Jan 2000 at 23:07:09 [GMT +0200], you wrote: MM Oh, sorry for my previous message... Sure, I do have the idea! As MM said, submission forms work with internal PGP implementation only! MM Select "Tools/Pgp/Choose Version".. Leif Ahhh, this does indeed look like the problem. I can't seem to figure Leif out how to use my existing keyring with the TB internal version, so Leif until I can do that, I'll have to wait to test the submission forms. just put the pgp path to whereever your keyrings are and the bin file and run key manager and import that rit lab key. Sounds like a good idea if some people could validate it as its not trusted at present... Leif Leif Gregory -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.41 / Beta1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Submission forms
Morning Max Masyutin, Examples are attached. Hope you find them useful. But, before installing them, import office.txt PGPkey. Thanks, but... I imported the PGP-key and added the forms. Now this may sound stupid, but I still have no idea how to use them. I see them in the submission forms menu window, but all I can do with them is delete them from there again... Am I doing something wrong? -- .. Jast . mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :with The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 http://www.zz-s.de :on Windows 98 4.10 Build A AIM jasticle:... -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Submission forms
Hello Thomas, On Mon, 24 Jan 2000 at 11:51:22 [GMT +0800], you wrote: TF If this purpose for submission forms is incorrect, I haven't TF understood what they are for. In some cases (banking), a signature TF would be required, in other cases (bug report), not. You pretty much got it. I agree that in certain situations, a signed "form" is not needed, which would be a great boon to me as I could create forms for the FAQ, shortcuts, wishlist etc. TF What do you mean by "the server must have support for these TF facilities"? By support, I mean that if the server (the recipient of your form) doesn't have filters/database/autoresponder etc. Then they won't do anything for you (unless some human intervenes.) You are correct in that the form we see is just a formatting tool for a cleartext message. The recipient must have a means for extracting the information from the message to perform some function and return a result. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID: 0x8604279A (DH/DSS) Fingerprint: 9E16 4316 FA42 5DC6 EB1D D0ED D37A 858A 8604 279A Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Needs his sleeves lengthened by a couple of feet so they can be tied in the back. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Submission forms
Hello Jast, On Mon, 24 Jan 2000 at 16:49:22 [GMT +0100], you wrote: J I'm not sure if I understood you: You need both the internal as J well as an additional external PGP installed? I did understand they J need singing from the help, but not quite sure why you would need J another PGP. Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that the batpgpxxx.dll only provides a means for getting PGP functionality under TB. It isn't the full blown PGP, so you must have a version of PGP actually installed in addition to having the .dll in the TB folder. J I saw, it just would have no practical function, I fear. To some people maybe, for me it could be useful in that I am an American living overseas in Japan, so having a current exchange rate could be useful. Although, truth be told, I would really just switch on the TV to get it. grin J That poses the question: How would I find out if they support the J forms, that is, ensuring they know what I mean when I ask them J about it? g I sort of answered this in another message, but let's use the exchange rate request form in the TB help file for example. Let's say bank A has the necessary filters/scripts/database/parser necessary to extract the information needed from your form message to actually give you a meaningful reply, but bank B does not have this automation. In this case, bank A would be pretty much fully automated, and if they have a persistent connection to the Internet, you would get a response back in very short order. With bank B however, you would have to wait for a human to intervene to get the information back to you. I just reread your question, and realized that I didn't really answer your question. I would suggest that you contact whoever it is that you wish to use form messages with and ask if they have any autoresponders set up to provide the information you need based on keywords in your e-mail. If so, then it is a simple matter of having a form that formats the message in a way that their autoresponders can understand. I don't know how widespread the "form" usage is, nor how supported it is. I've never really run across any place that said they do it this way. Then again, I never looked either. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID: 0x8604279A (DH/DSS) Fingerprint: 9E16 4316 FA42 5DC6 EB1D D0ED D37A 858A 8604 279A Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Flashlight: A case for holding dead batteries. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Submission forms
Morning sirs, in the eternal strive (or strife?) to become a Bat power user I couldn't help noticing the "submission forms" option. So I looked it up in the help and found out about the concept. So now my question: Does anybody here use the submission forms, or can give me some examples for the effective use of these? I'm a little lost on where to start with this... -- .. Jast . mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :with The Bat! 1.39 http://www.zz-s.de :on Windows 98 4.10 Build A AIM jasticle:... -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Submission forms
Hello Jast, On Sun, 23 Jan 2000 at 17:41:23 [GMT +0100], you wrote: J So now my question: Does anybody here use the submission forms, or J can give me some examples for the effective use of these? I'm a J little lost on where to start with this... When they first showed up a while back, there were all sorts of people trying to get these working. The first problem that was encountered was that you had to have the internal (batpgpxx.dll) as well as PGP installed. This has to do with the fact that the submission forms require signing. I'm pretty sure that this is still the case, and in the help file there is an example submission form which you can cut and paste to a file. We (the moderators) had even considered doing submission forms as a form of feedback to TBUDL/TBBETA for submissions to the wish list, FAQ, and shortcuts list. However, we didn't want to require everyone to have to install PGP just for that purpose. If we could get around that to where submission forms could be created that didn't require signing, then I'd implement them in a heartbeat. They appear to be fairly straightforward in their implementation. I can come up with a few good uses for submission forms for things like: - Retrieving current banking statements - Trouble tickets for tech support - Member price list requests (for e-commerce that maintains a public price list and a member one.) - Intranet information requests. - etc... However, for these to work, the server (the place you are requesting the above from) must have the support for these facilities. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID: 0x8604279A (DH/DSS) Fingerprint: 9E16 4316 FA42 5DC6 EB1D D0ED D37A 858A 8604 279A Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Guillotining him would make only an aesthetic difference. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Submission forms
Hi Thomas, On Sunday, January 23, 2000, 9:51:22 PM, you wrote: T Hi Leif, T On Mon, 24 Jan 2000 07:25:06 +0900GMT (24/01/2000, 06:25 +0800GMT), T Leif Gregory wrote: LG We (the moderators) had even considered doing submission forms as a LG form of feedback to TBUDL/TBBETA for submissions to the wish list, LG FAQ, and shortcuts list. However, we didn't want to require everyone LG to have to install PGP just for that purpose. LG If we could get around that to where submission forms could be created LG that didn't require signing, then I'd implement them in a heartbeat. LG They appear to be fairly straightforward in their implementation. LG However, for these to work, the server (the place you are requesting LG the above from) must have the support for these facilities. T What is the philosophy behind these submission forms? Example bug T report. The way I understand it, it is an e-form, which you fill in, T and it contains all the data required. The form is submitted to you T somehow, in case of the bug report supplied with the programme. Have heard that V2 will have the option of running PERL scripting. Wow, now that opens up many possibilities for my cgi-bin folder doesn't it? Can send out via email, verifiable forms or buttons to press for database entry, to prospects for census data of a product, service, or whatever, have it return a web page(s), for a thank you, other informational data that is requested, any and all kinds of good things. Can literally run web pages using CGI and PERL scripting off my computer by just sending out email. Possibilities are endless :-) Really cool stuff. Will Version 2 have PERL and CGI capabilities? Forms, buttons, web page creation can be very quickly made up this way. T Once you send it to the recipient (which will be the creator of the T e-form), he can read everything and it is up to him whether certain T filled-in details should go into some databases, or whatever he wants T to do with it. -- Best regards, Gary PGP Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=SendPGPKey -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[4]: Submission forms
Hi Chuck, On Sunday, January 23, 2000, 11:15:36 PM, you wrote: C On Sunday, January 23, 2000 at 11:04 PM or thereabouts, Gary wrote the C following about Submission forms: Gary ... Therefore, forms and validation, submit buttons from the Gary email, can be programmed using PERL in the FORM ACTION to = GET Gary or POST practically anything, like a complete web page, or Gary additional info from a database on the server side back to the Gary client's. Much of what you see on the net, even in terms of Gary complete web pages, after you click on something is basically Gary just a return web page which was processed by PERL on the Gary cig-bin server side, and then sent back to the client using CGI. Gary PERL processes it on the server side. IF TB is capable of Gary utilizing PERL, theoretically, this could be very powerful stuff Gary here, far more than what it first appears. C With my non-existent powers, I hereby appoint you as the future C provider of neat applications when v2.x arrives. Don't let us down, C son. big g Chuck, I am really excited about this. If I can write PERL code for a form in TB, you can't believe what you can do. All of the info you get from a bank, or any other database info is all PERL / CGI scripting. Half of your web pages after you click on a URL are usually just PERL / CGI scripting sent back to you which contains the complete modified web page, so it looks like you were sent to another web page. sorry, I am so excited, I am repeating myself. The possibilities are endless really, and you don't need encryption (unless you want to). TB could be the first and only email program use PERL scripting (that I know of). Send an email to someone, you will never need web space again :-) Based in their form input, you can send him anything back in real time off of your server - database info, avi, wav, complete web pages done in PERL, pictures, ad nauseam. Just from his email response to your form. -- Best regards, Gary PGP Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=SendPGPKey -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[5]: Submission forms
On Sunday, January 23, 2000 at 11:37 PM or thereabouts, Gary wrote the following about Submission forms: Gary big g Chuck, I am really excited about this. If I can write Gary PERL code for a form in TB, you can't believe what you can do. Gary All of the info you get from a bank, or any other database info Gary is all PERL / CGI scripting. Half of your web pages after you Gary click on a URL are usually just PERL / CGI scripting sent back Gary to you which contains the complete modified web page, so it Gary looks like you were sent to another web page. sorry, I am so Gary excited, I am repeating myself. The possibilities are endless Gary really, and you don't need encryption (unless you want to). TB Gary could be the first and only email program use PERL scripting Gary (that I know of). Send an email to someone, you will never need Gary web space again :-) Based in their form input, you can send him Gary anything back in real time off of your server - database info, Gary avi, wav, complete web pages done in PERL, pictures, ad nauseam. Gary Just from his email response to your form. I will begin my wish list for you to fulfill, then ... taking advantage of this wave of excitement, of course. :-) Chuck -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Chuck Mattsen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.users.uswest.net/~mattsen =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Random Thought/Quote for this Message: Criticism comes easier than craftsmanship. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Submission forms - recent additions
Hello TBUDL! http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/forms.html reflects recent additions (such as DEFTPL, VBODYRE, WORDWRAP, BATCH, QUEUEOUT, TPL, NFO, PASSWORD, MASK Parameter (Character-By-Character Validation and URL/EMAIL/DATA/REGEX/MANDATORY), to submission forms that were not descrivbed in 1.38e help file. Online reference (http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/hlp_eng.html) has also been updated. -- Max Masyutin, Software Engineer RIT Research Labs http://www.ritlabs.com/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
