Re[3]: The return of the upgrade problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Serge Skorokhodov, On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:23:53 +0300 GMT your local time, which was Monday, March 19, 2001, 11:23:53 AM (GMT+0100) (BST) my local time, Serge Skorokhodov wrote: JAL As I said, I have experienced this problem before (somewhere JAL between 1.41 and 1.45, I think). Then it went away, and I JAL have upgraded several times without any problems at all, JAL until now. No changes has been made on my system for months. SS A couple of questions just in case: SS - do you have some other Delphi/C++Builder applications on SS your system? I've got Delphi, C++Builder and a a fair few apps written in them and they've never caused a problem. Is this a known problem? - -- Jamie Dainton On Tuesday, March 20, 2001 at 11:20:32 AM The Bat! 1.49 Windows 98 4.10 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=sendKey Programmers never die: They just GOSUB without RETURN. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOrc9LIP76OeRfCgzEQLfwACfVsvABdmNq3diZBXvVEeOOHMi1WsAn03W 9mTRVEOuKAe/yrDSwNhi6nl+ =WwA8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The return of the upgrade problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Jamie, On 20 March 2001 at 11:21:10 + (which was 11:21 where I live) Jamie Dainton wrote to Serge Skorokhodov and made these points: SS - do you have some other Delphi/C++Builder applications on SS your system? JD I've got Delphi, C++Builder and a a fair few apps written in them JD and they've never caused a problem. Is this a known problem? They have always had/caused problems with window Z-order - but this is getting OT/TECH. To continue this topic it would probably be better dealt with on TBTECH since I don't believe we're talking about a common problem but a technical difficulty being experience only by Jan-Arild. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.52 Beta/1 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt (build 04) Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOrdG0DnkJKuSnc2gEQJIOwCbB833cl6BSfbFFpQNj5VMeQiF7asAoLOi +ZuDPmeuHcIq3IaHx3PU5wsn =0Qf6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The return of the upgrade problem
Hello Thomas, Monday, March 19, 2001, 3:38:00 AM, you wrote: I cannot help you, but please give us some system information. We can take it from there. Before I wrote the message I said to myself: Jan-Arild, the list members are not second-sighted, so do not forget to give them information about your system. Did I remember to give you that information? No, of course not. Sorry. OS, CPU speed, RAM, free disk space would do for a start. OS: Win98 4.10.1998 Norwegian CPU: PII 300 RAM: 128MB Free space: 2,2GB As I said, I have experienced this problem before (somewhere between 1.41 and 1.45, I think). Then it went away, and I have upgraded several times without any problems at all, until now. No changes has been made on my system for months. -- Best regards, Jan-Arild -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: The return of the upgrade problem
Hello Jan-Arild, 19.03.2001 you wrote: skip JAL OS: Win98 4.10.1998 Norwegian JAL CPU: PII 300 JAL RAM: 128MB JAL Free space: 2,2GB JAL As I said, I have experienced this problem before (somewhere JAL between 1.41 and 1.45, I think). Then it went away, and I JAL have upgraded several times without any problems at all, JAL until now. No changes has been made on my system for months. A couple of questions just in case: - do you have some other Delphi/C++Builder applications on your system? - I might miss something but I wonder if you've tried to remove the previous version of TB! *completely* (it includes removing TB! home directory and 'RitLabs' registry branch) before attempting installation of the new version? I remember some similar (but much less severe) problems a couple of times but I've got piles of various VCL and other Borland development stuff in my box. I always cleaned the system thoroughly and reinstalled the new version after that. It was always successful. In order to preserve the data (just in case, I don't mind to offence you in any way:), you can either move 'MAIL' folder to a save place and then set it as default mail directory during setup (you have to "recreate" all accounts though) or just make full backup with built-in TB! utility, save 'colors.ini' file from 'MAIL' folder(if you use color groups, you may not need it in the new version -- I'm not sure), reinstall TB! (create a dummy account when asked) and carry out a full restore with built-in utility. Hope this is of any help. Best regards, Serge Skorokhodov mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The return of the upgrade problem
On Sunday, March 18, 2001 at 21:09:15 +0100 Jan-Arild Lkstad wrote: When I upgraded from 1.48f to 1.51 less than a week ago, I lived through the "horrors" of the upgrade problem again. Once the TB! splash screen appears, the system froze and had to be powered down. Ctrl-Alt-Delete didn't help. I see you're posting with v.1.51, so the upgraded version does work after you reboot the system, or...? I always create a backup with Drive Image prior to all changes I make on the computer so I restored the system, and tried to upgrade one more time, but the same thing happened on the second attempt. Did you check the system before this second try. At least a scandisk would be a good idea. Better yet, go get a free utility called InCtrl, which could trace every changes made to your system between two events, including files added/deleted/changes, and registry changes. I use it to have a complete record of everything new software does to my system. So if something screws up, I'll have a better clue. It also helps you uninstall software. Most (I'm tempted to say all) of them don't uninstall themselves cleanly. Why does this problem return? It never happens here, so I've no idea. As you're using Win98, I don't feel terribly surprised. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The return of the upgrade problem
Hello Serge, Monday, March 19, 2001, 12:23:53 PM, you wrote: do you have some other Delphi/C++Builder applications on your system? Oops! That was a hard nut to crack for me Serge :) At the risk of revealing my ignorance, I'm sorry to say that I have absolutely no idea. I use Forte Agent for news, and I think Agent is written with Borland C++, but I am not sure about this. I might miss something but I wonder if you've tried to remove the previous version of TB! *completely* (it includes removing TB! home directory and 'RitLabs' registry branch) before attempting installation of the new version? No, I have never removed any previous versions of TB! before upgrading, but if the next upgrade fails, that might be worth a try. If my memory serves me right, this particular problem has been discussed on the list before, but I have not yet succeeded in finding anything in the archive. [...] Hope this is of any help. I want you to know that I appreciate any help I can get. -- Best regards, Jan-Arild -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The return of the upgrade problem
Hello Ming-Li, Monday, March 19, 2001, 4:36:20 PM, you wrote: I see you're posting with v.1.51, so the upgraded version does work after you reboot the system, or...? Yes it does work. It installs correctly, as nearly as can be seen. Did you check the system before this second try. At least a scandisk would be a good idea. No, I didn't check the system. Just restored it from the backup, which takes just about 6-7 minutes, and made another attempt to upgrade. The system froze upon installation again (at the splash screen). Better yet, go get a free utility called InCtrl, which could trace every changes made to your system between two events, including files added/deleted/changes, and registry changes. I use it to have a complete record of everything new software does to my system. So if something screws up, I'll have a better clue. It also helps you uninstall software. Most (I'm tempted to say all) of them don't uninstall themselves cleanly. Sounds to be a good idea. I will try to get this utility. It never happens here, so I've no idea. As you're using Win98, I don't feel terribly surprised. Do not crowd me :) -- Best regards, Jan-Arild -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The return of the upgrade problem
Hello All, When I upgraded from 1.48f to 1.51 less than a week ago, I lived through the "horrors" of the upgrade problem again. Once the TB! splash screen appears, the system froze and had to be powered down. Ctrl-Alt-Delete didn't help. I always create a backup with Drive Image prior to all changes I make on the computer so I restored the system, and tried to upgrade one more time, but the same thing happened on the second attempt. I do not remember which version(s), but I have experienced this exact problem before. Why does this problem return? -- Best regards, Jan-Arild -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The return of the upgrade problem
Hi Jan-Arild, On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:09:15 +0100GMT (19/03/2001, 04:09 +0800GMT), Jan-Arild Lkstad wrote: JAL When I upgraded from 1.48f to 1.51 less than a week ago, I lived JAL through the "horrors" of the upgrade problem again. Once the TB! JAL splash screen appears, the system froze and had to be powered down. JAL Ctrl-Alt-Delete didn't help. [...] JAL Why does this problem return? I cannot help you, but please give us some system information. We can take it from there. OS, CPU speed, RAM, free disk space would do for a start. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.51 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
