Re: Two From headers, and two undeletable View Modes issues
Hi On Thursday 31 October 2013 at 1:19:53 PM, in mid:565413632.20131031081...@fastmail.fm, Stuart Cuddy wrote: The one thing I learned early on, was to set Global View Mode to No View Mode and leave it there. I see no purpose for it and if you set it to anything but No View Mode it just takes over everything. Isn't that what global means? -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com We're all shipwrecked on this idea that everything has to be explained. Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Two From headers, and two undeletable View Modes issues
Hi On Saturday 2 November 2013 at 3:52:52 PM, in mid:119627865.20131102155...@chriswilson.tv, Chris Wilson wrote: I am, and was, using 5.8.8, I am not sure why TB! is not adding the correct version designator, I'll have a poke about. What Thomas was referring to is the List Footer, added by this mailing list and not by TB!. To add the TB! version you are currently using, and the Windows version information, you need to include in your templates for this list something like:- Using The Bat! v%THEBATVERSION on %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %- %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build %- %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION%- -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com 1 + 1 = 3, for large values of 1 Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Two From headers, and two undeletable View Modes issues
Hi On Saturday 2 November 2013 at 3:52:52 PM, in mid:119627865.20131102155...@chriswilson.tv, Chris Wilson wrote: I am, and was, using 5.8.8, I am not sure why TB! is not adding the correct version designator, I'll have a poke about. What Thomas was referring to is the List Footer, added by this mailing list and not by TB!. To add the TB! version you are currently using, and the Windows version information, you need to include in your templates for this list something like:- Using The Bat! v%THEBATVERSION on %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %- %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build %- %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION%- 04 November 2013 Ok, I have added the macro, thanks! -- Chris Wilson Using The Bat! v5.8.8 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 -- Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Two From headers, and two undeletable View Modes issues
The one thing I learned early on, was to set Global View Mode to No View Mode and leave it there. I see no purpose for it and if you set it to anything but No View Mode it just takes over everything. Isn't that what global means? It is a good, fast way to set all your folders to the way you always want to read your email I have too many folders to even think about trying this, but I wonder if you set it to a specific view mode globally and then go back to no view mode would the settings done globally stay where they are but now you have the ability to change them? -- Rick The point is that Republicans are always talking about deregulation and big government. But I say their philosophy is small government for the big guy and big government for the little guy. And so, if my wife's uterus was incorporated or my friend's bedroom was incorporated, maybe the Republicans would be talking about deregulating. - Representative Scott Randolph, Florida v5.8.8 on Windows 6.2 Build 9200 Using all POP accounts I download all images Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Two From headers, and two undeletable View Modes issues
The one thing I learned early on, was to set Global View Mode to No View Mode and leave it there. I see no purpose for it and if you set it to anything but No View Mode it just takes over everything. Isn't that what global means? It is a good, fast way to set all your folders to the way you always want to read your email I have too many folders to even think about trying this, but I wonder if you set it to a specific view mode globally and then go back to no view mode would the settings done globally stay where they are but now you have the ability to change them? 04 November 2013 I have set my own global view mode that I call Generic View Mode with messasges threaded and in reverse date order, and it is behaving itself so far. I then use the folder View tabs to genersate waht folder by folder view mode I want, (All,[which is therer by default],Today, Yesterday, This Week, Unread, and Flagged. So far so good since deleting the CONFIG.CDB file and letting TB! recreate it and re-setting as required. Still think it's close to broken as a facility, and trust it as far as I can throw it ;) -- Chris Wilson Using The Bat! v5.8.8 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 -- Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Two From headers, and two undeletable View Modes issues
The one thing I learned early on, was to set Global View Mode to No View Mode and leave it there. I see no purpose for it and if you set it to anything but No View Mode it just takes over everything. Isn't that what global means? It is a good, fast way to set all your folders to the way you always want to read your email I have too many folders to even think about trying this, but I wonder if you set it to a specific view mode globally and then go back to no view mode would the settings done globally stay where they are but now you have the ability to change them? 04 November 2013 I have set my own global view mode that I call Generic View Mode with messasges threaded and in reverse date order, and it is behaving itself so far. I then use the folder View tabs to genersate waht folder by folder view mode I want, (All,[which is therer by default],Today, Yesterday, This Week, Unread, and Flagged. So far so good since deleting the CONFIG.CDB file and letting TB! recreate it and re-setting as required. Still think it's close to broken as a facility, and trust it as far as I can throw it ;) -- Chris Wilson Using The Bat! v5.8.8 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 04 November 2013 And I really see no great advantage in it over No View Mode, just wanted to see if behaved now I know what to do if it doesn't, and I have secure back ups.! -- Chris Wilson Using The Bat! v5.8.8 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 -- Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Two From headers, and two undeletable View Modes issues
Hi On Monday 4 November 2013 at 4:43:54 PM, in mid:473151678.20131104164...@chriswilson.tv, Chris Wilson wrote: I have set my own global view mode that I call Generic View Mode And I really see no great advantage in it over No View Mode, just wanted to see if behaved now I know what to do if it doesn't, and I have secure back ups.! I also have a Generic View Mode. And one called SortBySender which IIRC appeared when I defined a tab with that name - although none of my other tabs appeared as view modes, so maybe I was experimenting to see what was the difference. And I have a further view mode with a blank name. For all three of my view modes, the Use by ... selection has no folders ticked. My Global View Mode is set to no view mode and I alter each folder individually as needed, though most are about the same. If I need a different view, I either use the Message List Columns dialog or I create a tab. My preferred view is generally listed by created date, with new messages at the top and threaded by references. Where messages are in a thread, I see the thread starter at the top and the other messages threaded below it. The minor irritation is where there is more than one reply to the same message in a thread: the newer replies are listed above the older ones. I would prefer them below so that when I read down through the messages in a thread, I don't encounter as John has already mentioned... before I see John's contribution. I have looked at this from time to time over the years but never found a way to achieve it in TB!. -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com The truth is out there. Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Two From headers, and two undeletable View Modes issues
Hello MFPA, I would prefer them below so that when I read down through the messages in a thread, I don't encounter as John has already mentioned... before I see John's contribution. I have looked at this from time to time over the years but never found a way to achieve it in TB!. Just set your view to show new messages at bottom, like I do, and your threads won't irritate you :-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v5.8.8 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Two From headers, and two undeletable View Modes issues
Hi On Monday 4 November 2013 at 6:01:44 PM, in mid:1854613844.20131104190...@gmail.com, MAU wrote: Just set your view to show new messages at bottom, like I do, and your threads won't irritate you :-) Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm awkward. I find showing new messages at the bottom to be uncomfortable, don't know why. I don't know why it should be too much to ask that new messages (or threads with new messages) are shown at the top of the list but threads are still shown in the correct order for reading. I have used newsreaders in the past that achieved this. But as I say, it is only a minor irritation. -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com Those who do not read are no better off than those who cannot. Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Two From headers, and two undeletable View Modes issues
Hello MFPA, Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm awkward. I find showing new messages at the bottom to be uncomfortable, don't know why. Just because you find it unconfortable, that's why :-) I don't know why it should be too much to ask that new messages (or threads with new messages) are shown at the top of the list but threads are still shown in the correct order for reading. You are sorting by Created date, newest at top. And this applies to messages in a thread too. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v5.8.8 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Two From headers, and two undeletable View Modes issues
Hi On Monday 4 November 2013 at 6:32:15 PM, in mid:1723212929.20131104193...@gmail.com, MAU wrote: You are sorting by Created date, newest at top. And this applies to messages in a thread too. Yes, I get the logic from a sorting point of view. But from a usability point of view I have never understood why that would be desirable inside a thread, and newsreaders I used in the past didn't apply it inside threads. It is just something I see as sub-optimal in The Bat! but far outweighed by a host of other features. -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com Versifiers write poems for it. Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Two From headers, and two undeletable View Modes issues
Hello MFPA, Yes, I get the logic from a sorting point of view. But from a usability point of view I have never understood why that would be desirable inside a thread, and newsreaders I used in the past didn't apply it inside threads. It is just something I see as sub-optimal in The Bat! but far outweighed by a host of other features. No matter what any newsreader does (or did), I see a contradiction that what you find 'confortable' at folder level is 'irritating' at thread level. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v5.8.8 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Two From headers, and two undeletable View Modes issues
Hi MAU On Monday 4 November 2013 at 8:58:40 PM, you wrote: No matter what any newsreader does (or did), I see a contradiction that what you find 'confortable' at folder level is 'irritating' at thread level. We are all individuals and see things slightly differently. I see no contradiction in displaying the newest message (that is not part of a thread) or the newest (most recently added-to) thread at the top of a folder but still displaying threads in reading order. -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Two From headers, and two undeletable View Modes issues
Hello Chris, On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 21:07:46 -0400 GMT (01-Nov-13, 08:07 +0700 GMT), Rick wrote: Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: Current version is actually 5.8.8. Please upgrade and see whether the problem persists. What Windows version are you using? -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 5.8.8 under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Two From headers, and two undeletable View Modes issues
Hello Chris, On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 21:07:46 -0400 GMT (01-Nov-13, 08:07 +0700 GMT), Rick wrote: Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: Current version is actually 5.8.8. Please upgrade and see whether the problem persists. What Windows version are you using? 02 November 2013 I am, and was, using 5.8.8, I am not sure why TB! is not adding the correct version designator, I'll have a poke about. Windows is XP Pro with all updates. You may have missed my reply to myself, but I fixed it, although I still see a minor problem / glitch. hers is what I wrote yesterday. Thanks for the reply Thomas. ~~~ In the hope it may help others here is the fix I found, with very welcome support from Rick here. Thanks Rick! Renaming TBUSER.DEF made no difference at all, and I checked there was only one copy of that file on my whole machine. This seemed very odd. TB! opened with no apparent changes anywhere at all, and the problems remained. RITLABS support also suggested renaming the RIT folder in the registry. Renaming and recreating the RIT folder didn't fix it either, I'd tried this earlier, and all it did was make me re enter my registration code. The problems remained... :( What DID fix it was renaming the CONFIG.CDB folder and letting TB! recreate it. I had to set up View Modes again from scratch, but the two From: entries that were un-deletable, the un-deletable two View Modes, and the frozen Tabs were all fixed at the same time by this. Is 5.8.8 actually using TBUSER.DEF, as renaming it and re launching TB! showed no changes whatsoever? Even a PC reboot made no difference. TB! didn't attempt to recreate a new TBUSER.DEF, either. Thanks. I would like to know if 5.8.8 and onwards do still use TBUSER.DEF? Hoping this may help someone with similar problems. Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Two From headers, and two undeletable View Modes issues
The one thing I learned early on, was to set Global View Mode to No View Mode and leave it there. I see no purpose for it and if you set it to anything but No View Mode it just takes over everything. 01 November 2013 Thanks Stuart. That is how I have run it, I too see no purpose in it. There are far too many places to alter View Modes and little in the way of documentation to say how they interact, save suck it and see. IMHO. In the hope it may help others here is the fix I found, with very welcome support from Rick here. Thanks Rick! Renaming TBUSER.DEF made no difference at all, and I checked there was only one copy of that file on my whole machine. This seemed very odd. TB! opened with no apparent changes anywhere at all, and the problems remained. RITLABS support also suggested renaming the RIT folder in the registry. Renaming and recreating the RIT folder didn't fix it either, I'd tried this earlier, and all it did was make me re enter my registration code. The problems remained... :( What DID fix it was renaming the CONFIG.CDB folder and letting TB! recreate it. I had to set up View Modes again from scratch, but the two From: entries that were un-deletable, the un-deletable two View Modes, and the frozen Tabs were all fixed at the same time by this. Is 5.8.8 actually using TBUSER.DEF, as renaming it and re launching TB! showed no changes whatsoever? Even a PC reboot made no difference. TB! didn't attempt to recreate a new TBUSER.DEF, either. Thanks. I would like to know if 5.8.8 and onwards do still use TBUSER.DEF? Hoping this may help someone with similar problems. Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Two From headers, and two undeletable View Modes issues
31 October 2013 I am getting headers showing two identical From: header lines, and in the area where you manage the headers to display, that too is showing two From: header lines, please see screen shot linked. Un-ticking one of the two From: boxes works until a screen refresh, the both From: headers are back. I can see the extra From: header in Options : Preferences : Message Headers, but the option to delete either of the two is greyed out. Thanks.TB1 is V 5.8.8 but did it with an earlier 5.8 version too. http://www.gatesgarth.com/headers.jpg I also just noticed I have two of the same View Modes called Generic View Mode. Neither of these can be deleted. If it helps View Modes and message pane tabs seem to have a mind of their own, which was one reason I upgraded to a V5.* from the last of the V4 versions. To be honest View Modes are a mess, unintuitive and to me, flaky in the extreme :) Could a file be corrupted that is copied across versions? Will V6 address this in any way? Thanks. __ Best Regards, Chris Wilson mailto:ch...@chriswilson.tv Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Two From headers, and two undeletable View Modes issues
Hello Chris, A reminder of what Chris Wilson typed on: Thursday, October 31, 2013 at 10:53:55 GMT + CW Will V6 address this in any way? Thanks. I had the same mucked up View modes, doubles etc. and was able to delete them once I installed the v6 alpha. So there is hope. :) -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:skcu...@fastmail.fm Using The Bat! v6.0.0.21 (BETA) On Windows 7 6.1 Build #7601 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Two From headers, and two undeletable View Modes issues
Hello Chris, A reminder of what Chris Wilson typed on: Thursday, October 31, 2013 at 10:53:55 GMT + CW Will V6 address this in any way? Thanks. I had the same mucked up View modes, doubles etc. and was able to delete them once I installed the v6 alpha. So there is hope. :) 31 October 2013 Thanks Stuart, the more I look at View Modes, and tabs the more confused I get. The whole thing needs a rethink, there are far too many means of accessing the menus for these, and seemingly no rhyme nor reason in what overrides what. I have used The Bat! for very many years, and generally it's superb, but View Modes, Global View Modes, Folder View Modes and now Tabs. What a hodge podge of disparate menus, it needs sorting! I have now managed to lock up TB! messing with these, it *appears* using Tabs it will try and select more than one tab at a time, and also seems to get its knickers in a twist balancing Tabs and View Modes and deciding which to use. Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Two From headers, and two undeletable View Modes issues
Hello Chris, A reminder of what Chris Wilson typed on: Thursday, October 31, 2013 at 13:12:53 GMT + CW Thanks Stuart, the more I look at View Modes, and tabs the more CW confused I get. The whole thing needs a rethink, there are far too CW many means of accessing the menus for these, and seemingly no rhyme CW nor reason in what overrides what. I have used The Bat! for very CW many years, and generally it's superb, but View Modes, Global View CW Modes, Folder View Modes and now Tabs. What a hodge podge of CW disparate menus, it needs sorting! I have now managed to lock up TB! CW messing with these, it *appears* using Tabs it will try and select CW more than one tab at a time, and also seems to get its knickers in a CW twist balancing Tabs and View Modes and deciding which to use. The one thing I learned early on, was to set Global View Mode to No View Mode and leave it there. I see no purpose for it and if you set it to anything but No View Mode it just takes over everything. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:skcu...@fastmail.fm Using The Bat! v6.0.0.21 (BETA) On Windows 7 6.1 Build #7601 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Two From headers, and two undeletable View Modes issues
Hello Chris, A reminder of what Chris Wilson typed on: Thursday, October 31, 2013 at 13:12:53 GMT + CW Thanks Stuart, the more I look at View Modes, and tabs the more CW confused I get. The whole thing needs a rethink, there are far too CW many means of accessing the menus for these, and seemingly no rhyme CW nor reason in what overrides what. I have used The Bat! for very CW many years, and generally it's superb, but View Modes, Global View CW Modes, Folder View Modes and now Tabs. What a hodge podge of CW disparate menus, it needs sorting! I have now managed to lock up TB! CW messing with these, it *appears* using Tabs it will try and select CW more than one tab at a time, and also seems to get its knickers in a CW twist balancing Tabs and View Modes and deciding which to use. The one thing I learned early on, was to set Global View Mode to No View Mode and leave it there. I see no purpose for it and if you set it to anything but No View Mode it just takes over everything. 31 October 2013 I am really at the end of my tether now, since playing with the fickle View Modes and Tabs I see a huge number of folders have changed their Unread / Read properties to showing a huge quantity as UNREAD. As far as I can see there's no going back over such a change. Despite the odd anomalies with the last of the V 4.* Bat! versions, nothing like this has ever occurred before. Paying for an upgrade to the latest V5.* has not been a pleasant experience. All I wanted was ALL folders to be set with a View Mode showing all messages threaded in reverse date order, and the new (to me) Tabs showing either : All / Today / Yesterday / This Week / or Unread. EXTREMELY unimpressed! That aside, many thanks for your frank advice :) Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Two From headers, and two undeletable View Modes issues
Hello Chris, A reminder of what Chris Wilson typed on: Thursday, October 31, 2013 at 13:12:53 GMT + CW Thanks Stuart, the more I look at View Modes, and tabs the more CW confused I get. The whole thing needs a rethink, there are far too CW many means of accessing the menus for these, and seemingly no rhyme CW nor reason in what overrides what. I have used The Bat! for very CW many years, and generally it's superb, but View Modes, Global View CW Modes, Folder View Modes and now Tabs. What a hodge podge of CW disparate menus, it needs sorting! I have now managed to lock up TB! CW messing with these, it *appears* using Tabs it will try and select CW more than one tab at a time, and also seems to get its knickers in a CW twist balancing Tabs and View Modes and deciding which to use. The one thing I learned early on, was to set Global View Mode to No View Mode and leave it there. I see no purpose for it and if you set it to anything but No View Mode it just takes over everything. Same here. I create my own and use them where appropriate Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
