Re: Scrolling with Space/Alt-PgDn (was: Re: What is a natural email system?)
Hello dAniel, Tuesday, September 7, 2004, 10:17:16 PM, you wrote: dh the simple scroll the last line to the top of page would be much dh easier AFAICS and would be all we'd need. Yes. Shouldn't be too difficult for RITLabs, as they've impelemented it many times - only to break it again a couple of versions later :( -- Best regards, Pekka The Bat! 2.11.02, Windows 98SE Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What is a natural email system?
MLW What makes The Bat a natural email system. Can someone please explain MLW what this phrase means and why it is attached to The Bat? Michael, IMHO it goes right along with some of the other stuff Ritlabs has been doing and even publishing on their web site. Months and months ago there was something else which at the time I thought would be quickly edited but is STILL right smack near the middle of their home page. They claim their software is going to extend our lives... You'd think they would have corrected what is at best is poor, amateurish translation and at worst... well do I really need to say it? Even after all these years of the core users asking (rather nicely) to be treated right and asking for at least a semblance of professionalism, Ritlabs STILL behaves like a bunch of fifth-graders who try to code (they ARE pretty good at that), do their own marketing, do their own support or lack thereof (how convenient to have a board like this one to take the punches and do the work for them!) etc., etc. Sad, real sad. Best regards, Miles Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.04.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Scrolling with Space/Alt-PgDn (was: Re: What is a natural email system?)
Hello TBUDL, on Mon, 6. Sep 2004 at 13:42:21 -0400 Chris wrote: Very annoying, because you mostly lose the line you were reading when it comes to the last page of a mail. I think that all programs should visually indicate where the last line went when one scrolls. Perhaps the line could underlined for a moment before fading out? But, this would only be useful if it were implemented system wide... IMHO this indication would be excellent, but the simple scroll the last line to the top of page would be much easier AFAICS and would be all we'd need. -- shinE! GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc ICQ#152282665 Random software tip: [***] PowerPro (http://www.windowspowerpro.com) Lifted with The Bat! 2.12.03 on Windows XP Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What is a natural email system?
dAniel hAhler @ 2004-Sep-5 4:04:29 PM What is a natural email system? mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] As Alt-PgDn seems to be related to Space, which also scrolls down by one page, there is this very annoying behaviour, when it comes to the last page and it's been scrolled not by one page, but only the amount of lines so that the end of the mail is at bottom of the window. Very annoying, because you mostly lose the line you were reading when it comes to the last page of a mail. I think that all programs should visually indicate where the last line went when one scrolls. Perhaps the line could underlined for a moment before fading out? But, this would only be useful if it were implemented system wide... -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 If debugging is the process of removing bugs, then programming must be the process of putting them in. pgpRt26towzXs.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What is a natural email system?
Sunday, September 5, 2004, 11:23:42 AM, Michael wrote: MLW What makes The Bat a natural email system. Can someone please explain MLW what this phrase means and why it is attached to The Bat? If you've used Outlook 2000, you will know it is decidely unnatural to use. TB! isn't. -- Cheers, Allister :flag-newzealand: New Zealand / Aotearoa Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What is a natural email system?
Hello Michael, MLW What makes The Bat a natural email system. Can someone please explain MLW what this phrase means and why it is attached to The Bat? First of all it is advertising :) But for me it means that: 1. most of things can be done both by keyboard and by mouse 2. most of hotkeys can be configured to satisfy wishes of user. 3. there are a lot of things which make life much easier a) Alt+arrows/PgUp/PgDn in message list scroll message b) quick creation of filters c) mark read/del work on folder/account level AND with the same hotkey d) easy move between unread messages There are a lot of other tricks, I just described often used by me which I really miss in some other programs I had (or tried) to use (rss readers, and specialized for site news reader) -- 9Val Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: What is a natural email system?
Hello Michael, On Sunday, September 5, 2004, 1:48:16 AM, you wrote: [snipped] I think they called it The Bat because of the location of the company: Transylvania (at least it used to be many years ago). So that's why I get a stinging feeling in my neck when I use it :-) -- Best wishes Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What is a natural email system?
Hello M i c C u l l e n, 05-Sep-2004 04:24, you wrote: Michael What makes The Bat a natural email system. Can someone please Michael explain what this phrase means and why it is attached to The Bat? Same thing that makes the new release v3 and not v2.1X - marketing and a belief that people will believe anything you tell them... I'd suggest the two of you start a new list ranting at ritlabs forever, or something... it won't change a thing when you post your negative moaning to the list permanently. Everyone has taken the point that some are satisfied with v3, some are not, some have no problem with marketing decisions, others have. Its OK now, we all know it! -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) In all the cosmos, there is naught but straight flying, bumping, caroming, and again straight flying. Phenomena are are but lumps, jumps, and bumps. A mass unit's career is but lumping, bumping, rejumping, rebumping, and finally, unlumping. -- George Francis Gillette Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: What is a natural email system?
Hi Alexander, Sunday, September 5, 2004, 11:08:48 AM: ASK I'd suggest the two of you start a new list ranting at ritlabs forever, ASK or something... it won't change a thing when you post your negative moaning ASK to the list permanently. Everyone has taken the point that some are ASK satisfied with v3, some are not, some have no problem with marketing ASK decisions, others have. Its OK now, we all know it! Come on, show some understanding. Customers are p*ssed off by the way RITlabs uses to communicate with them at the moment. And if you ask me, they have every right to feel this way. Some words, an official announcement, anything that discribes the way RITlabs wants to deal with future and The Bat! would temper this aggression. But as you see, there's nothing. Just eat or die. Not the kind of behavior i expected from RITlabs and not the kind of behavior a reliable company acts like. regards Mike -- How does Avon find so many women willing to take orders? Using The Bat! v3.0.0 GnuPG fingerprint 5481 4C57 FCFE 7953 777B B8CD 58AC B95E DBBA CE86 pgpVgnGTV9Gu7.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What is a natural email system?
On Sunday, September 5, 2004 @ 5:08:48 PM, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: [snips] Same thing that makes the new release v3 and not v2.1X - marketing and a belief that people will believe anything you tell them... Alexander I'd suggest the two of you start a new list ranting at ritlabs forever, Alexander or something... it won't change a thing when you post your negative moaning Alexander to the list permanently. Everyone has taken the point that some are Alexander satisfied with v3, some are not, some have no problem with marketing Alexander decisions, others have. Its OK now, we all know it! Isn't it wonderful that you, too, are allowed an opinion. Of course, not everyone will share it. -- cheers, Mic (reply address works) Don't use a big word where a diminutive one will suffice. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What is a natural email system?
Hello Michael Schneider, 05-Sep-2004 12:04, you wrote: Come on, show some understanding. Customers are p*ssed off by the way RITlabs uses to communicate with them at the moment. I'm pissed off too, but what does it change when I moan about the way it is ever since September 1st? Nothing, righto. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Ignore death up to the last moment; then, when it can't be ignored any longer, have yourself squirted full of morphia and shuffle off in a coma. Thoroughly sensible, humane and scientific, eh? (Aldous Huxley, 1894-1963, British author) Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What is a natural email system?
Hello M i c C u l l e n, 05-Sep-2004 14:10, you wrote: Isn't it wonderful that you, too, are allowed an opinion. Of course, not everyone will share it. You are allowed an opinion but we've read it at least 10 times today, yesterday and the day before, and its starting to be a tiny winy bit of annoying. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) The trouble with being in the rat race is that even if you win, you're still a rat. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What is a natural email system?
On Sunday, September 5, 2004 @ 8:53:10 PM, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: [snips] Isn't it wonderful that you, too, are allowed an opinion. Of course, not everyone will share it. Alexander You are allowed an opinion but we've read it at least 10 times today, Alexander yesterday and the day before, and its starting to be a tiny winy bit of Alexander annoying. I think the current term is 'whatever'. (Unfortunately, I'm not a funky hip dude like so many others, so I'm not really sure...) As I said, you're entitled to your opinion. Just don't expect me to jump because that's what you want. Look, I think Mary's way overboard and unrealistic with her boosterism (is that a word?) of Ritlabs, but I'm not telling her to stop. (Not that it'd do much good, one suspects :-))) I'll post negative stuff, positive stuff (if I find any...), and posts like the one this morning where I sorted out some really weird behaviour with the NFS. All sorts. FWIW, I like NFS better than OFS, but I think it could be a fair bit better, just with some simple stuff like searching ability. (And being able to see the 'general' and 'action' tabs at the same time...) Translating seamlessly from OFS would be really useful as well. -- cheers, Mic (reply address works) Each square inch of human skin consists of 19 million cells, 60 hairs, 90 oil glands, 19 feet of blood vessels, 625 sweat glands, and 19,000 sensory cells. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: What is a natural email system?
Sunday, September 5, 2004, 1:40:02 AM, you wrote: 9 described often used by me 9 which I really miss in some other programs I 9 had (or tried) to use 9 (rss readers, and specialized for site news reader) Reply quoted ... best thing since sliced bread! Lynn -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net TBv.3.0 NT5 SP4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: What is a natural email system?
You are allowed an opinion but we've read it at least 10 times today, yesterday and the day before, and its starting to be a tiny winy bit of annoying. Since when is there a quota on voicing one's opinion here? Not everyone is reading this list everyday, and maybe some will discover that there is a new version next week, come to the list to know more about changes (since nothing about what's new in so-called 3.0 is available on Ritlabs's website) and it is perfectly ok for me if there are still a few threads active so that they know what's up before they decide to upgrade or not. And what if some of us are tiny winy bit annoyed of seeing the same pro-3.0 arguments? Are we entitled to voice it too? Or official quota has been reached? -- Denis Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What is a natural email system?
Hello TBUDL, on Sun, 5. Sep 2004 at 11:40:02 +0300 9Val wrote: a) Alt+arrows/PgUp/PgDn in message list scroll message As Alt-PgDn seems to be related to Space, which also scrolls down by one page, there is this very annoying behaviour, when it comes to the last page and it's been scrolled not by one page, but only the amount of lines so that the end of the mail is at bottom of the window. Very annoying, because you mostly lose the line you were reading when it comes to the last page of a mail. Could you please fix that? -- shinE! GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc ICQ#152282665 Random software tip: [***] jEdit, for software development (http://www.jedit.org) Lifted with The Bat! 2.12.03 on Windows XP Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What is a natural email system?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Lynn, On Sun, 5 Sep 2004, Lynn mused about What is a natural email system? (at least in part): L Reply quoted ... best thing since sliced bread! That is true. I have been wondering, however, what did people do before they learned how to slice bread? - -- Michael L. Wilson, MBA Ecclesiastic Philosopher Critic Teacher :einsteinyoyo: == Using The Bat! 3.0.0 Windows XP 5.1 (2600-Service Pack 2) Ponder this: Civilization is the distance man has placed between himself and his excreta. - Brian Aldiss = Spam Stats, last 24 hours (BayesIt! 0.6.01) Total Spam Emails: 48 Total Clean Emails: 10 BayesIT guessed right 99.958333% of the time My email is 82.758621% spam = morning dayevening 18:57 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2 Comment: iQA/AwUBQTvEKm2u7N+Qh+ieEQIFEgCfcF9SN7wSfI1Eb4lFtoeHFUYHKIQAoNQL iNJ/PbFvZqmL2Fj8DeF1Ohw0 =Qenm -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: What is a natural email system?
Sunday, September 5, 2004, 6:58:00 PM, you wrote: MLW That is true. I have been wondering, however, what MLW did people do MLW before they learned how to slice bread? Tear it off in chumks ... :-) But having it sliced for you was apparently a kind of ultimate! Kind of like 'reply quoted' :-) Lynn -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net TBv.3.0 NT5 SP4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
What is a natural email system?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, What makes The Bat a natural email system. Can someone please explain what this phrase means and why it is attached to The Bat? - -- Michael L. Wilson, MBA Ecclesiastic Philosopher Critic Teacher :einsteinyoyo: == Using The Bat! 3.0.0 Windows XP 5.1 (2600-Service Pack 2) Ponder this: Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it. = Spam Stats, last 24 hours (BayesIt! 0.6.01) Total Spam Emails: 59 Total Clean Emails: 6 BayesIT guessed right 99.932203% of the time My email is 90.769231% spam = morning dayevening === 16:22 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2 Comment: iQA/AwUBQTpOhW2u7N+Qh+ieEQLk4gCgvMERY3kL9NBYW8+cShNibhQPLOUAn2Nx jFAAQqPiWo8VrjPBRJ65p/vc =L2w8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What is a natural email system?
Hallo Michael, On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 16:23:42 -0700GMT (5-9-2004, 1:23 +0200, where I live), you wrote: MLW What makes The Bat a natural email system. Advertising! -- Groetjes, Roelof The Bat! 3.0.0 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. pgp99140n9ng4.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What is a natural email system?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Roelof, On Sun, 5 Sep 2004, Roelof mused about What is a natural email system? (at least in part): MLW What makes The Bat a natural email system. RO Advertising! nat·u·ral Pronunciation Key (nchr-l, nchrl) adj. 1. Present in or produced by nature: a natural pearl. 2. Of, relating to, or concerning nature: a natural environment. 3. Conforming to the usual or ordinary course of nature: a natural death. 4. 1. Not acquired; inherent: Love of power is natural to some people. 2. Having a particular character by nature: a natural leader. 3. Biology. Not produced or changed artificially; not conditioned: natural immunity; a natural reflex. 5. Characterized by spontaneity and freedom from artificiality, affectation, or inhibitions. See Synonyms at naive. 6. Not altered, treated, or disguised: natural coloring; natural produce. 7. Faithfully representing nature or life. 8. Expected and accepted: In Willie's mind marriage remained the natural and logical sequence to love (Duff Cooper). 9. Established by moral certainty or conviction: natural rights. 10. Being in a state regarded as primitive, uncivilized, or unregenerate. 11. 1. Related by blood: the natural parents of the child. 2. Born of unwed parents: a natural child. - -- Michael L. Wilson, MBA Ecclesiastic Philosopher Critic Teacher :einsteinyoyo: == Using The Bat! 3.0.0 Windows XP 5.1 (2600-Service Pack 2) Ponder this: Think twice before you speak, especially if you intend to say what you think. = Spam Stats, last 24 hours (BayesIt! 0.6.01) Total Spam Emails: 55 Total Clean Emails: 6 BayesIT guessed right 99.945455% of the time My email is 90.163934% spam = morning dayevening =17:07 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2 Comment: iQA/AwUBQTpY4m2u7N+Qh+ieEQLrRgCg36L2DHq61rifFK3Gzu/cbdxImwoAn0CK jRuxDcvv68rHGpI7fQkN9iyC =wz4i -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: What is a natural email system?
Howdy Michael, Sunday, September 5, 2004, 1:07:57 AM, Michael wrotened: Michael nat·u·ral Pronunciation Key (nchr-l, nchrl) Michael adj. Michael1. Present in or produced by nature: a natural pearl. Michael2. Of, relating to, or concerning nature: a natural environment. Michael3. Conforming to the usual or ordinary course of nature: a natural death. Michael4. Michael 1. Not acquired; inherent: Love of power Michael is natural to some people. Michael 2. Having a particular character by nature: a natural leader. Michael 3. Biology. Not produced or changed Michael artificially; not conditioned: natural immunity; a natural Michael reflex. Michael5. Characterized by spontaneity and freedom from Michael artificiality, affectation, or inhibitions. See Synonyms at Michael naive. Michael6. Not altered, treated, or disguised: natural Michael coloring; natural produce. Michael7. Faithfully representing nature or life. Michael8. Expected and accepted: In Willie's mind Michael marriage remained the natural and logical sequence to love Michael (Duff Cooper). Michael9. Established by moral certainty or conviction: natural rights. Michael 10. Being in a state regarded as primitive, Michael uncivilized, or unregenerate. Michael 11. Michael 1. Related by blood: the natural parents of the child. Michael 2. Born of unwed parents: a natural child. Not all can be defined by a dictionary i feel. Besides I can't think of another email system named after a creature of the natural world. -- Have Fun, | | |en is |\ohop [EMAIL PROTECTED] crashing The Bat! v3.0.0 falling out of mid air with Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What is a natural email system?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Ben, On Sun, 5 Sep 2004, Ben mused about What is a natural email system? (at least in part): BA Not all can be defined by a dictionary i feel. BA Besides I can't think of another email system named after a creature BA of the natural world. Becky: A person, usually female, in the natural world Thunderbird: Car, mythical beast Pine: named after a tree Barca: I think it is a fish Foxmail: Fox is a natural animal Mulberry: A berry or a bush Pegasus: A mythical beast Starfish: A sea creature That is all I can think of for now. I think they called it The Bat because of the location of the company: Transylvania (at least it used to be many years ago). - -- Michael L. Wilson, MBA Ecclesiastic Philosopher Critic Teacher :einsteinyoyo: == Using The Bat! 3.0.0 Windows XP 5.1 (2600-Service Pack 2) Ponder this: Time is what keeps everything from happening at once. = Spam Stats, last 24 hours (BayesIt! 0.6.01) Total Spam Emails: 60 Total Clean Emails: 6 BayesIT guessed right 99.95% of the time My email is 90.909091% spam = morning dayevening == 17:44 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2 Comment: iQA/AwUBQTpiV22u7N+Qh+ieEQLFkgCgsZiCHSKwrH7nk4aO8+CuxJDC8qgAn2mK MnRNrU/kZt7Qsg6XpZ/ZZzYu =HkLT -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What is a natural email system?
On Sunday, September 5, 2004 @ 7:23:42 AM, Michael L. Wilson wrote: [snips] Michael What makes The Bat a natural email system. Can someone please explain Michael what this phrase means and why it is attached to The Bat? Same thing that makes the new release v3 and not v2.1X - marketing and a belief that people will believe anything you tell them... -- cheers, Mic (reply address works) Never put off 'til tomorrow what you should have done yesterday. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What is a natural email system?
Hello Michael, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 6:48:16 PM, you wrote: M I think they called it The Bat because of the location of the M company: Transylvania (at least it used to be many years ago). IIRC from my interview of them ages ago, it was that someone they were showing it to said something like, wow, that's fast, it's like a bat out of hell. Or something similar to that. -- __ ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons: http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PCWSmileys: http://PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Tagline of the day: The next world war will determine not what is right, but what is left. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
