Re: special characters
Hello Mike MA Whew! Thank you Clive, I was beginning to think I was the only person MA here who still used papyri, sorry paper ;-) No, don't worry. You're the sane one here :) -- Clive Taylor Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: special characters
Hello Allie AM Your proposition is rather ridiculous and inelegant, to say the least. I disagree. I own two computers -- and often work from others, too. My laminated ASCII list is a godsend! But given that I've now mentioned three times in this thread how to produce ASCII characters by using alt+ combos without response, I guess that the techies here are intent on complicating what is a simple process :-( -- Clive Taylor Using The Bat! v1.62 Last Christmas's Edition Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: special characters
Hello Allie, Oh yes. :) Not only for a specific program but for a specific window or windows of a particular program. OK, thanks. There is nothing like RTFM :-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: special characters
Hello Jim, You might get what you need by using the spell check. I made a word substitution (spc = ¢®²©¼¾½) and the delete out anything not needed. That's another smart idea :-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: special characters
AM In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], AM Carsten Thönges [CT] wrote:' I agree with this. It can be tedious to open the character map, copy the character and then paste it. extremely...tedious CT Hm, I disagree... should this really be part of a mail program? communication is part of an email program. we have to be able to express in language (including symbols if necessary) our thoughts and opinions. Universally known symbols get this across. In addition, there are many contexts where the symbol is required. Ie. Trademarks, copyright, and other language symbols which are not necessarily part of the writers keyboard (I.e. and English person writing to a German (Think of the umlaut, or the accented a.) Those are necessary as well. I suppose the idea can be communicated generally, however... the point is if you can do it right you should. I have been in computing over 20 yrs supporting supporting end users... they don't get the alt+ascii idea.. alt+ascii was around with dos based word processors. Remember Wordstar(tm) one of the most featured word processor of its time. It drove the users crazy having to memorize all the keystrokes. I personally miss the days of typing all that stuff in and have succumbed to the User Interface... and I do understand why general users love User Interfaces! So to get back to Clives point since even if users had a printout... that paper is not part of their application. The ability to do symbols is part of how they communicate, therefore in my opinion it should be. In addition A lot of people travel, it's not like they're always the same place doing emails. I think it's great that Clive found a work around, and that he shared it! Others who CAN use that idea will have a solution. However... It's a hard sell to regular people... just my .02 :) Laura Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: special characters
Hello Allie, I'm thinking of creating a toolbar that will appear only when the TB! message window is in focus. It will contain buttons to carry out things that I can never remember the keyboard combo for, like indenting text, and now, adding special characters. That's exactly what I have done today after RTFM. Being quite mouse oriented like I am, and prone to easily forget shortcuts and key combinations, I now have a nice extra toolbar on the Editor window to easily (with one click) enter some special characters like £ which I use quite often, to change between Spanish and British English dictionaries and some of the block formatting commands. I have also created a Custom Toolbar for TB's main window with some of my special commands like Ignore Thread or Mark message as read and move to next unread with a single mouse click. TB is so much user friendly now! :-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: special characters
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Miguel A. Urech [MAU] wrote:'
MAU That's exactly what I have done today after RTFM. Being quite mouse
MAU oriented like I am, and prone to easily forget shortcuts and key
MAU combinations, I now have a nice extra toolbar on the Editor window
MAU to easily (with one click) enter some special characters like £
MAU which I use quite often, to change between Spanish and British
MAU English dictionaries and some of the block formatting commands.
Excellent!!! I'm right behind you on this one. :)
MAU I have also created a Custom Toolbar for TB's main window with some
MAU of my special commands like Ignore Thread or Mark message as
MAU read and move to next unread with a single mouse click. TB is so
MAU much user friendly now! :-)
Indeed. PowerPro profoundly affects my use of TB!. I've used it to
create tool-bars as you've done, modified keyboard shortcuts in ways the
integrated shortcut editor can't, and also to create macros triggered by
shortcuts.
The block formatting macros I created are keyboard shortcut and not
tool-bar button driven. This allows me to keep my fingers on the keyboard
while composing mail. Of course, for those tasks that aren't so common
for me, a tool-bar button is great.
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Re: special characters
Hello Allie, I'm right behind you on this one. :) I'm a very advanced disciple :) PowerPro profoundly affects my use of TB!. Mine too. I think my TB is going to have some nice new features soon, before v2.0 :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: special characters
ON Sunday, January 12, 2003, 4:29:17 AM, you wrote: TF You know about TF my background in computing and know that I could have used or written TF a software solution; it is not lack of knowledge but it is preference TF and choice that led me to using the low-tech approach. ;-) Hi Thomas, You did know there are GERMAN keyboards. They are know as AZERTY keyboards :^) -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Universal Laws of Golf: Sand is alive. If it isn't, how do you explain the way it works against you? Using The Bat! v1.62h on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: special characters
ON Saturday, January 11, 2003, 2:02:14 PM, you wrote: JR Hello Bat Folk. JR Does anyone besides me think that it might JR be useful to be able to insert ascii JR special characters like [cents or JR copyright, etc] into a msg from a chart? Hi Jan, Wouldn't SmartBat be perfect for this job? Just ijsert the table of your choice and you can copy away. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Being careful, tightening up, and trying to steer the ball will likely cause disaster. Good golfers gain control over the ball by feeling that they are giving up control. Using The Bat! v1.62h on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: special characters
Hello Clive, Sunday, January 12, 2003, 7:59:24 AM, you wrote: CT Hello Allie AM Your proposition is rather ridiculous and inelegant, to say the least. CT I disagree. I own two computers -- and often work from others, too. My CT laminated ASCII list is a godsend! But given that I've now mentioned CT three times in this thread how to produce ASCII characters by using CT alt+ combos without response, I guess that the techies here are intent CT on complicating what is a simple process :-( Whew! Thank you Clive, I was beginning to think I was the only person here who still used papyri, sorry paper ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Allie, Sunday, January 12, 2003, 5:34:08 PM, you wrote: AM Indeed. PowerPro profoundly affects my use of TB!. I've used it to AM create tool-bars as you've done, modified keyboard shortcuts in ways the AM integrated shortcut editor can't, and also to create macros triggered by AM shortcuts. Ok, Ok already. ;-) blush Er, what exactly is PowerPro? -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: special characters
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MA Ok, Ok already. ;-) blush Er, what exactly is PowerPro?
http://www.windowspowerpro.com/
An excellent macro tool among other things.
It's designed to make life easier for the user by making repetitive
tasks more easily carried out and helping to make applications behave
more like how the user specifically desires.
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Re[2]: special characters
Hello Allie, Monday, January 13, 2003, 2:56:00 AM, you wrote: AM http://www.windowspowerpro.com/ AM An excellent macro tool among other things. AM It's designed to make life easier for the user by making repetitive AM tasks more easily carried out and helping to make applications behave AM more like how the user specifically desires. Thanks. It's not something I'd come across before. :) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
special characters
Hello Bat Folk. Does anyone besides me think that it might be useful to be able to insert ascii special characters like [cents or copyright, etc] into a msg from a chart? -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.62 Christmas Edition/W2K_SP3 ICQ 41116329 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: special characters
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Jan Rifkinson [JR] wrote:'
JR Does anyone besides me think that it might be useful to be able to
JR insert ascii special characters like [cents or copyright, etc] into
JR a msg from a chart?
I agree with this. It can be tedious to open the character map, copy the
character and then paste it.
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Re: special characters
Hello Allie, I agree with this. It can be tedious to open the character map, copy the character and then paste it. What about using QTs? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: special characters
Hello Carsten, * Miguel A. Urech [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would prefer you do not include e-mail address in your reply template. ,- [ As Roelof writes in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] | This list has a public webbased archive at | http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/ The addresses in | the headers are deleted, but addresses in the message bodies are kept, | thus making it easy for harvest bots to harvest your e-mail address | for spamming purposes. You might consider removing it from your list | template. `- Thanks, -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: special characters
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Miguel A. Urech [MAU] wrote:'
MAU What about a SmartBat tab with the most used characters?
A viable option that would be easier than what one would normally have
to do.
I could also create a PowerPro toolbar where each button inserts one of
the more commonly used characters.
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Re: special characters
Hello Carsten CT Yes, that's it! (I use the QT (c) for the Copyright symbol) What's wrong with using alt+0169 to produce ©. Much easier! -- Clive Taylor Using The Bat! v1.62 Last Christmas's Edition Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: special characters
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Carsten Thönges [CT] wrote:'
I agree with this. It can be tedious to open the character map, copy
the character and then paste it.
CT Hm, I disagree... should this really be part of a mail program?
Hmm. That's like asking if an editor should really be part of an e-mail
program. :)
If the answer is yes (which is my personal opinion because of the
advantages an integrated editor), then isn't inserting special
characters part of editing mail?
I'm looking at Miguel's suggested work arounds.
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Re: special characters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Carsten, @11-Jan-2003, 16:29 +0100 (15:29 UK time) Carsten Thönges said: What about using QTs? Yes, that's it! (I use the QT (c) for the Copyright symbol) Is that method ©opyrighted? Whatever, it's a goodie! - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/2 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+IFPpOeQkq5KdzaARAmg5AKDwzm6Q5VPYbrsI6BN0pROSmCm+IACfZByq mz8+bBuEjU+vqilHllh+JsM= =i0Cc -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: special characters
Hello Allie, I guess that's reasonable provided that you don't have a lot of QT's already. What about a SmartBat tab with the most used characters? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: special characters
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Miguel A. Urech [MAU] wrote:'
MAU What about using QTs?
I guess that's reasonable provided that you don't have a lot of QT's
already. The ease of using QT's for such a reason would rest on invoking
them easily, either through remembering the handle or selecting it from
your QT list, otherwise one may as well continue inserting special
characters the usual way. My QT list is currently very long and
cluttered. Likely because I'm already using QT's for everything. :)
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Re: special characters
* Miguel A. Urech [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello Allie, I agree with this. It can be tedious to open the character map, copy the character and then paste it. Hm, I disagree... should this really be part of a mail program? What about using QTs? Yes, that's it! (I use the QT (c) for the Copyright symbol) -- Best regards, Carsten Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: special characters
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Miguel A. Urech [MAU] wrote:'
MAU I haven't played with PowerPro toolbars yet. Can you create
MAU specific toolbars for specific programs (i.e TB)?
Oh yes. :)
Not only for a specific program but for a specific window or windows of
a particular program.
I've already created one that appears only when the main TB! or a View
Folder window comes into focus. When it appears, it's anchored to the
lower edge of the Window in focus. This tool-bar contains buttons that
will execute manual filter shortcuts. These filters do things like
adding a sender address to a particular address book, exporting a message
and opening it in my favourite editor, importing the message when
finished and a couple other things.
I'm thinking of creating a toolbar that will appear only when the TB!
message window is in focus. It will contain buttons to carry out things
that I can never remember the keyboard combo for, like indenting text,
and now, adding special characters.
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Re: special characters
Hello Allie, I could also create a PowerPro toolbar where each button inserts one of the more commonly used characters. I haven't played with PowerPro toolbars yet. Can you create specific toolbars for specific programs (i.e TB)? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: special characters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jan On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 08:02:14 -0500 GMT (1/11/2003, 8:02 AM -0500 GMT), Jan Rifkinson wrote: JR Does anyone besides me think that it might JR be useful to be able to insert ascii JR special characters like [cents or JR copyright, etc] into a msg from a chart? You might get what you need by using the spell check. I made a word substitution (spc = ¢®²©¼¾½) and the delete out anything not needed. The is also a search/replace feature Shift+F7 with drop downs that could help. Windows 2000 also has a character map in: Programs Accessories System Tools character map - -- Safety Fast, Jim Mattern -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.0 iQA/AwUBPiByfNFPCCrNlWyxEQLGvgCg90y1dFMts+xglW5RL6oLB8rjdOQAnAsy V79gX+j88BqwbtLedBfW9nQD =BRTC -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: special characters
Hello Allie, Saturday, January 11, 2003, 1:22:30 PM, you wrote: AM In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], AM Jan Rifkinson [JR] wrote:' JR Does anyone besides me think that it might be useful to be able to JR insert ascii special characters like [cents or copyright, etc] into JR a msg from a chart? AM I agree with this. It can be tedious to open the character map, copy the AM character and then paste it. So, open up character map, note down all the alt+number combinations you need into a text file and print it out and sit it by your computer. It's not rocket science ;-) -- Best regards, Mikemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: special characters
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Mike Alexander [MA] wrote:'
MA So, open up character map, note down all the alt+number combinations
MA you need into a text file and print it out and sit it by your
MA computer. It's not rocket science ;-)
... and why do you bother to use a computer to do things that you can do
manually without it being rocket science
It's *easier*.
I use a macro tool to make life easier. Cuts out the manual labour.
Your proposition is rather ridiculous and inelegant, to say the least.
The feature is neither here nor there for me since I have the know how
and the tools to create a workaround far better than paper beside me.
However, my comments were in solidarity with Jan's appeal. I find it an
understandable one. I don't expect all TB! users to be able to implement
my personal solution but the fact that I feel the need to do so speaks
for itself.
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Re: special characters
Hello Allie, On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 20:56:37 -0500 GMT (12/01/03, 08:56 +0700 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: MA So, open up character map, note down all the alt+number combinations MA you need into a text file and print it out and sit it by your MA computer. It's not rocket science ;-) ... and why do you bother to use a computer to do things that you can do manually without it being rocket science The elegant thing is to use a mixture of computer and non-computer aids. I really love computers as a tool to simplify life. But they are not all there is, and in fact, I had a sheet with the alt-codes for the German umlauts printed out and sitting by the screen for several years (now I just don't use umlauts any more). I find it a lot easier to simply glance onto that sheet and hit the alt-num combinations than using additional software, writing macros and whatnot. You know about my background in computing and know that I could have used or written a software solution; it is not lack of knowledge but it is preference and choice that led me to using the low-tech approach. ;-) It's *easier*. I use a macro tool to make life easier. Cuts out the manual labour. I dare say people work in different ways. I guess I'm not in a good mood this evening. sigh ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. If you ate pasta and antipasta, would you still be hungry? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/2 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: special characters
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Mike Alexander [MA] wrote:'
MA No? I'd never have guessed! You did notice the ;-) after the rocket
MA science I take it?
I noted it, yes, but my response still came out.. sheepish smile
MA Anyway, although I was meaning it in a light-hearted way, I do find
MA people have this over-reliance on technology when a simple solution
MA is available.
Well, if you have the computer in front of you, already using it, then
*use* it. :)
MA For example. I use Photoshop all the time and have the Quick Guide,
MA printed out, beside me all the time with all the keyboard shortcuts
MA in. However, I've now learned, through repeated use, all of the ones
MA I constantly use.
Sure. But what about the ones you don't always use?
For those, I generally take to the menus or use tool-bar buttons, if
available.
MA And I'm sure that if my suggestion was taken up, the same outcome
MA would result.
For special characters? No. I don't use them often enough that I'd
commit those shortcuts to memory. I have many other things to remember
so I can manage committing to memory, only those shortcuts that I use
very often.
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Re: special characters
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Thomas Fernandez [TF] wrote:'
TF The elegant thing is to use a mixture of computer and non-computer
TF aids. I really love computers as a tool to simplify life. But they
TF are not all there is,
Indeed. I don't use one at work at all. :)
TF and in fact, I had a sheet with the alt-codes for the German umlauts
TF printed out and sitting by the screen for several years (now I just
TF don't use umlauts any more). I find it a lot easier to simply glance
TF onto that sheet and hit the alt-num combinations than using
TF additional software, writing macros and whatnot.
Different strokes. :)
TF You know about my background in computing and know that I could have
TF used or written a software solution; it is not lack of knowledge but
TF it is preference and choice that led me to using the low-tech
TF approach. ;-)
I know what you mean. It takes time and effort to put the software or
macros together. One then wonders if the effort is worth preventing the
minimal hassle each day, especially since getting accustomed to it makes
things that much painless.
This is why I personally haven't done anything about it other than
making the character map shortcut more accessible than at
Start/Programs/Accessories/System Tools/Character Map. ;)
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Re: special characters
Hello Allie, On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 22:47:31 -0500 GMT (12/01/03, 10:47 +0700 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: TF The elegant thing is to use a mixture of computer and non-computer TF aids. I really love computers as a tool to simplify life. But they TF are not all there is, Indeed. I don't use one at work at all. :) I don't believe you! ;-) You are surrounded by computers in an OP theater, are you not? Are are you measuring the patient's heartbeat by holding his wrist and counting his pulse for 15 seconds? ;-) TF and in fact, I had a sheet with the alt-codes Different strokes. :) Yep. :-) I know what you mean. It takes time and effort to put the software or macros together. One then wonders if the effort is worth preventing the minimal hassle each day, especially since getting accustomed to it makes things that much painless. Right. I know a lot of people who think that everything should be done by computer, but in my POV this creates a dependency and even creates inefficiency in some cases. This is why I personally haven't done anything about it other than making the character map shortcut more accessible than at Start/Programs/Accessories/System Tools/Character Map. ;) That's what I mean. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Reiner Calmund: Unter den Einaeugigen ist der Dreibeinige der Koenig. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/2 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Special Characters Filter
Hello ~John, On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 06:25:02 -0700 GMT (09/10/02, 20:25 +0700 GMT), ~John Marjorie~ wrote: ~M I have filters set to send everything to the trash that has ~M 'Special Characters' like ÃÀ¤Á Why? ~M My filter is set so that if any of those characters are used ~M anywhere in the message it should send it to the trash. However my ~M question is, why does some of them still slip through? I will get ~M this message because my filter for this group is ahead of the ~M special character filter. Do the message that slip thourgh remain in the Inbox or are they moved? Can they have been handled by another filter which has not Continue with other filters checked? Just some ideas. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Tell me what you need, and I'll tell you how to get along without it. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Special Characters Filter
TheBat, I have filters set to send everything to the trash that has 'Special Characters' like ÃÀ¤Á My filter is set so that if any of those characters are used anywhere in the message it should send it to the trash. However my question is, why does some of them still slip through? I will get this message because my filter for this group is ahead of the special character filter. -- Best Regards, The Morse Family, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fight the spread of Viruses, Spam, and HTML E-Mail! AVG Anti-Virus http://www.grisoft.com The Bat E-Mail Client http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Disabling special characters in signal strings?
Hello Tbudl, Is there any way to disable the brackets (i.e., the characters [ and ] ) in signal strings so that they are treated as ordinary characters? Most of my mailing lists send mail whose subject contains the name of the list surrounded by brackets (e.g., [mailing list] ). I would like to use the brackets as an ordinary character in my signal strings because the "mailing list" name by itself is not always sufficient. -- Best regards, Bubba mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Disabling special characters in signal strings?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, at 08:43:58 [GMT -0800], Bubba wrote: B Is there any way to disable the brackets (i.e., the characters [ and ] B ) in signal strings so that they are treated as ordinary characters? B Most of my mailing lists send mail whose subject contains the name of B the list surrounded by brackets (e.g., [mailing list] ). I would like B to use the brackets as an ordinary character in my signal strings B because the "mailing list" name by itself is not always sufficient. Rather than use a straight signal string, set the filter to use regex for the string and use "\[mailing list\]" without the quotes. Mike Yetto - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=MAY:PGP_Key E-mailed using The Bat! v1.49 running on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOmiZf9kz/SR3Uv4yEQJwHgCgy2xcFdZ84RcFVwCtzFQ9XjlbqYcAoJeY ZlVfTRU0blJhLXIEYn6sMY9m =VAyR -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: inserting special characters
Hi Jan, On Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:09:45 -0500GMT (22/11/2000, 06:09 +0800GMT), Jan Rifkinson wrote: JR Thanks. Now I can write Español not feel like a dufus. That's of course the best solution, but awkward when you write large emails in Spanish. It has become quite common in Spain to use "ny" instead of "ñ" in emails (not within Spain, of course), so that you can write your messages in "espanyol". That's what I do, even though it looks really funny. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.47 Halloween Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: inserting special characters
Hi Jan, On Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:09:45 -0500GMT (22/11/2000, 06:09 +0800GMT), Jan Rifkinson wrote: JR Thanks. Now I can write Español not feel like a dufus. That's of course the best solution, but awkward when you write large emails in Spanish. It has become quite common in Spain to use "ny" instead of "ñ" in emails (not within Spain, of course), so that you can write your messages in "espanyol". That's what I do, even though it looks really funny. Can't you do a search-and-replace afterwards... changing all "ny" to "ñ", and any other "cheats" like that? -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: inserting special characters
Hallo Marco, On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 07:07:05 -0500 GMT (22/11/2000, 20:07 +0800 GMT), Marco Qualizza wrote: MQ Can't you do a search-and-replace afterwards... changing all "ny" to MQ "ñ", and any other "cheats" like that? Sure you can. I'm too lazy for that, and the convention of using "ny" is not my idea but was told to me by my cousins (who is Spanish). So I just guess it's OK. -- Cheers, Thomas. "Momentum: What you give a person when they are going away." Message reply created with The Bat! 1.48 Beta/8 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
inserting special characters
Dear BatListers, Basically I use English in email however every once in a while I use a word from another language. Today I wanted to use the word "Espanol" which includes a special "n" character found in the Spanish alphabet. Is there some way for me to do this within TB! If not, can you suggest an alternative. TIA -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! 1.47 Halloween Edition PGP ID: 0x4C9CDF9D -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: inserting special characters
Hello Jan, On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, at 13:48:33 h [GMT -0500] you wrote this about "inserting special characters": JR Dear BatListers, JR Basically I use English in email however every once in a while I use a JR word from another language. Today I wanted to use the word "Espanol" JR which includes a special "n" character found in the Spanish alphabet. JR Is there some way for me to do this within TB! If not, can you suggest JR an alternative. TIA For the ñ use 'Alt+164' and for Ñ use 'Alt+165', these are the ASCII extended codes. For a complete list see http://www.evergreen.edu/user/serv_res/research/bsi/people/dawn/program/ascii_ext-pc.htm#index This list is quite good, also explains the difference between the DOS and the WIN usage. HTH -- Best regards, Kari Jakobi MUA: The Bat! 1.48 Beta/8 OS: Windows 98 4.10 Build A on AMD K6-2 450MHz w/ 128MB SDRAM To obtain my PGP-Key send a message to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=PGP-KEY_REQUEST -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: inserting special characters
On 21-11-2000 at 20:29, Kari Jakobi kindly wrote: Hello Jan, JR Basically I use English in email however every once in a while I use a JR word from another language. Today I wanted to use the word "Espanol" JR which includes a special "n" character found in the Spanish alphabet. JR Is there some way for me to do this within TB! If not, can you suggest JR an alternative. TIA For the ñ use 'Alt+164' and for Ñ use 'Alt+165', these are the ASCII extended codes. For a complete list see http://www.evergreen.edu/user/serv_res/research/bsi/people/dawn/program/ascii_ext-pc.htm#index Within Windows, there is another (easier) way. Go to Settings -- Control Panel -- Keyboard. Go to Input Locales (under WinNT, in other WIN OS'es it might be named differently) and select keyboard EN English/US (International). Once you have selected that one, you can make all kinds of high ascii letters (diacritics) by combining ' ` " ~ with a letter. 'a will render: á ~n ñ ,c ç "a ä If you don't want " ' ` ~ to be part of a diacritic, just type a speca after oit, then you'll get it as per usual. - K - -- Before relationships, men and women had flings, quick ones, dirty weekends and marriages. If they wanted a relationship, they had it with their mother or a friend. - Julie Burchill: Sex and Sensibility -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: inserting special characters
Hi Kari, On Tuesday, November 21, 2000 20:29:30 +0100, you wrote the following about inserting special characters: Kari For the ñ use 'Alt+164' and for Ñ use 'Alt+165', these are the Kari ASCII extended codes. For a complete list see Kari http://www.evergreen.edu/user/serv_res/research/bsi/people/dawn/program/ascii_ext-pc.htm#index Kari [...] also explains the difference between the DOS and the WIN Kari usage. Thanks. Now I can write Español not feel like a dufus. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! 1.47 Halloween Edition PGP ID: 0x4C9CDF9D -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: inserting special characters
Hi Karin, On Tuesday, November 21, 2000 21:45:22 +0100, you wrote the following about inserting special characters: Karin Within Windows [...] -- Control Panel -- Keyboard. [...] and Karin select keyboard Karin EN English/US (International). I never thought about the various keyboards nor their properties. At the moment I have the English [101] Spanish keyboards installed can shift between them. I have to find the layouts though. It was only thru trial error that I found that ";" on the Spanish keyboard becomes ñ. Many thanks. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! 1.47 Halloween Edition PGP ID: 0x4C9CDF9D -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: inserting special characters
Hello Karin, On Tue, 21 Nov 2000 at 21:45:22 GMT +0100 (which was 12:45 PM where I live) witnesses say Karin Spaink typed: Within Windows, there is another (easier) way. Go to Settings -- Control Panel -- Keyboard. Go to Input Locales (under WinNT, in other WIN OS'es it might be named differently) and select keyboard EN English/US (International). Windows 98 is the same except US is expanded. Once you have selected that one, you can make all kinds of high ascii letters (diacritics) by combining ' ` " ~ with a letter. ,c ç ^ probably a typo, but that should be a forward single apostrophe, ' If you don't want " ' ` ~ to be part of a diacritic, just type a speca after oit, then you'll get it as per usual. And if you type something like 'r then you don't even need the space. That's a great tip Karin, thanks a lot. This will save me considerable time when typing. I've been using the alt-code for far too long... :-( -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal See header for e-mail address Using The Bat! 1.48 Beta/7 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: inserting special characters
On 22-11-2000 at 02:45, Januk Aggarwal kindly wrote: Karin Spaink typed: [Using the "EN English/US (International)" keyboard set within Win OS's will give you diacritics in a jiffy] Once you have selected that one, you can make all kinds of high ascii letters (diacritics) by combining ' ` " ~ with a letter. ,c ç ^ probably a typo, but that should be a forward single apostrophe, ' Yes, you caught me ;-) If you don't want " ' ` ~ to be part of a diacritic, just type a space after ot, then you'll get it as per usual. And if you type something like 'r then you don't even need the space. Ah yes, I am so used to this keyboard layout that my fingers 'automagically' recognise what I want and add or withhold spaces, that I almost forgat that one feature ;-) That's a great tip Karin, thanks a lot. This will save me considerable time when typing. I've been using the alt-code for far too long... :-( My only hassle is that you can't create "å" within this system, but apart from that one, this keyboard layout covers all West- and North-European letters, and part of the South. - K - -- Being an artist is not a profession. It is a dilemma. - Performer and artist Ulay -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
