Re: Gmail issues (re-opened)
On Friday, August 12, 2011, 11:21:51 AM, you (tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com) wrote: LSB Mortimer Snerd msn...@gmail.com LSB That will always bounce. However, if I change the reply addressee to LSB msn...@gmail.com I mis-typed, and they are: Mortimer Snerd msn...@gmail.com The above fails, always msn...@gmail.com The above works most of the time; e-mail address one; no angle brackets. Sorry for not responding sooner, but I've been in the process of moving to a new computer and have not been checking my own gmail account that I use for posting to the tbudl list only. Leonard -- Leonard S. Berkowitz Using The Bat! v5.0.20.1 on Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Gmail issues (re-opened)
On Saturday, August 13, 2011, 10:53:18 AM, Richard Newman (tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com) wrote: In short, I don't think your Gmail issue is really TB specific and that you probably can duplicate it in other mail programs. The only other e-mail system that I use is the browser based Netmail.Verizon.net that is really my proper e-mail provider. I do not have any issue with gmail address when I use the Verizon client -- Leonard S. Berkowitz Using The Bat! v5.0.20.1 on Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Gmail issues (re-opened)
Hello Leonard, Friday, August 12, 2011, 10:07:14 AM, you wrote: LSB The other day I noticed the following: LSB When I reply (usually via f4), the reply is addressed to, for example: I have noticed exactly the same kind of thing happening with certain Gmail addresses when I send from my BlackBerry. So I suspect the problem is at the Gmail end. And, I've noticed that this happens in particular with accounts that are part of a Google App Master Account. In short, I don't think your Gmail issue is really TB specific and that you probably can duplicate it in other mail programs. -- Best regards, Richardmailto:the...@newmangroup.com === Using The Bat! v5.0.22.7 (ALPHA) on Windows XP6 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Gmail issues (re-opened)
Last spring, I posted the following: I have been having e-mail to several Gmail users. I wonder whether other folks have been having this problem and whether anyone knows what can be done about this? Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients: I did not put a lot of energy in pursuing this issue as, oddly enough, I do not need to respond to Gmail users very often, and could resend the reply from my wife's account* fairly easily. The other day I noticed the following: When I reply (usually via f4), the reply is addressed to, for example: Mortimer Snerd msn...@gmail.com That will always bounce. However, if I change the reply addressee to msn...@gmail.com the e-mail message will travel smoothly to its destination. (apologies if there really is a Gmail user with the name of Mortimer Snerd) Can anyone explain this phenomenon? *It is a further mystery why the same e-mail message from my account bounces, but does not bounce when I send it from my wife's account. Thanks. -- Leonard S. Berkowitz Using The Bat! v5.0.20.1 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Gmail issues (re-opened)
Hello Leonard, On Friday, August 12, 2011 you wrote: LSB Last spring, I posted the following: I have been having e-mail to several Gmail users. I wonder whether other folks have been having this problem and whether anyone knows what can be done about this? Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients: LSB I did not put a lot of energy in pursuing this issue as, oddly LSB enough, I do not need to respond to Gmail users very often, and could LSB resend the reply from my wife's account* fairly easily. LSB The other day I noticed the following: LSB When I reply (usually via f4), the reply is addressed to, for example: LSB Mortimer Snerd msn...@gmail.com LSB That will always bounce. However, if I change the reply addressee to LSB msn...@gmail.com LSB the e-mail message will travel smoothly to its destination. Leonard, Mortimer Snerd... You're showing your age... As am I for making that comment. Anyway, I don't see any difference in the two addresses. Am I missing something? -- Jack LaRosa Using The Bat! ver: 4.2.44.2. Running Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Gmail issues (re-opened)
A Bat-fellow, Jack S. LaRosa, wrote in mid:111247957.20110812102...@charter.net on Friday, 12th August 2011 at 10:21:51 (GMT -0500), which was 17:21 in Bratislava -- The other day I noticed the following: When I reply (usually via f4), the reply is addressed to, for example: Mortimer Snerd msn...@gmail.com That will always bounce. However, if I change the reply addressee to msn...@gmail.com the e-mail message will travel smoothly to its destination. I don't see any difference in the two addresses. Am I missing something? I can confirm issues in this vein, although they're not too frequent for me, fortunately. Sometimes it does happen that a message will bounce if it's rather elaborately addressed in the TO field. But when you re-send the same message using only the recipient's email address and nothing else in the TO field, then the message will go through successfully. I suppose there are 3 ways the above address could appear in the TO field in the email's headers: To: Mortimer Snerd msn...@gmail.com To: Mortimer Snerd msn...@gmail.com To: msn...@gmail.com Only the last option of these 3 is *really* safe to go through. Some folks are crazy and put all sorts of things in their Reply-to field that don't really belong there, which then results in addresses such as: Dr. Johnny Lately - Your Trustworthy Physician lat...@grave.com Now when you attempt to reply to an address like that, The Bat! displays it as follows in the TO field in the Editor window: \Dr. Johnny Lately - Your Trustworthy Physician\ lat...@grave.com Lots of ugly escape characters to look at; such things should be hidden from the user's eye. And, that's nothing compared to the goulash that actually gets sent in the email's header, where the above might look something like this: To: =?utf-8?Q?=22Dr. Johnny Lately - Your Trustworthy Physician=22?= lat...@grave.com If you think *that's* messy, just write to someone whose name contains a diacritic letter... *then* things start getting *really* messy, and the TO filed in the email's headers becomes next to impossible to parse with human eye. Under such circumstances, I'm not surprised some messages containing headers like that get falsely labelled as spam. To avoid these problems, you might want to use only the recipient's address, and nothing else, in the TO field; I sometimes manually delete everything else that's in there, to make sure the message goes through without any delivery problems. -- Yours, Alex. of Slovakia www.avenarius.sk [flying with The Bat! 4.2.44.2 under Windows 7 64-bit 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 AMD Athlon II X4 645 @ 3.10 GHz 8 GB RAM] Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Gmail issues (re-opened)
A Bat-fellow, Jack S. LaRosa, wrote in mid:111247957.20110812102...@charter.net on Friday, 12th August 2011 at 10:21:51 (GMT -0500), which was 17:21 in Bratislava -- The other day I noticed the following: When I reply (usually via f4), the reply is addressed to, for example: Mortimer Snerd msn...@gmail.com That will always bounce. However, if I change the reply addressee to msn...@gmail.com the e-mail message will travel smoothly to its destination. I don't see any difference in the two addresses. Am I missing something? I can confirm issues in this vein, although they're not too frequent for me, fortunately. Sometimes it does happen that a message will bounce if it's rather elaborately addressed in the TO field. But when you re-send the same message using only the recipient's email address and nothing else in the TO field, then the message will go through successfully. I suppose there are 3 ways the above address could appear in the TO field in the email's headers: To: Mortimer Snerd msn...@gmail.com To: Mortimer Snerd msn...@gmail.com To: msn...@gmail.com Only the last option of these 3 is *really* safe to go through. Some folks are crazy and put all sorts of things in their Reply-to field that don't really belong there, which then results in addresses such as: Dr. Johnny Lately - Your Trustworthy Physician lat...@grave.com Now when you attempt to reply to an address like that, The Bat! displays it as follows in the TO field in the Editor window: \Dr. Johnny Lately - Your Trustworthy Physician\ lat...@grave.com Lots of ugly escape characters to look at; such things should be hidden from the user's eye. And, that's nothing compared to the goulash that actually gets sent in the email's header, where the above might look something like this: To: =?utf-8?Q?=22Dr. Johnny Lately - Your Trustworthy Physician=22?= lat...@grave.com If you think *that's* messy, just write to someone whose name contains a diacritic letter... *then* things start getting *really* messy, and the TO filed in the email's headers becomes next to impossible to parse with human eye. Under such circumstances, I'm not surprised some messages containing headers like that get falsely labelled as spam. To avoid these problems, you might want to use only the recipient's address, and nothing else, in the TO field; I sometimes manually delete everything else that's in there, to make sure the message goes through without any delivery problems. I have never had a problem with Gmail addresses - in ANY of the possible formats -- Rick There isn’t a health care system in the world that doesn’t have stories of people suffering; there isn’t a country in the world that doesn’t have waiting lists. In the United States the waiting list is pretty long - if you don’t have the money, you wait forever. Michael McBane, National Coordinator, www.medicare.ca v5.0.22.7 (ALPHA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Gmail issues (re-opened)
Hello Rick, On Friday, August 12, 2011 you wrote: A Bat-fellow, Jack S. LaRosa, wrote in mid:111247957.20110812102...@charter.net on Friday, 12th August 2011 at 10:21:51 (GMT -0500), which was 17:21 in Bratislava -- The other day I noticed the following: When I reply (usually via f4), the reply is addressed to, for example: Mortimer Snerd msn...@gmail.com That will always bounce. However, if I change the reply addressee to msn...@gmail.com the e-mail message will travel smoothly to its destination. I don't see any difference in the two addresses. Am I missing something? I can confirm issues in this vein, although they're not too frequent for me, fortunately. Sometimes it does happen that a message will bounce if it's rather elaborately addressed in the TO field. But when you re-send the same message using only the recipient's email address and nothing else in the TO field, then the message will go through successfully. I suppose there are 3 ways the above address could appear in the TO field in the email's headers: To: Mortimer Snerd msn...@gmail.com To: Mortimer Snerd msn...@gmail.com To: msn...@gmail.com Only the last option of these 3 is *really* safe to go through. Some folks are crazy and put all sorts of things in their Reply-to field that don't really belong there, which then results in addresses such as: Dr. Johnny Lately - Your Trustworthy Physician lat...@grave.com Now when you attempt to reply to an address like that, The Bat! displays it as follows in the TO field in the Editor window: \Dr. Johnny Lately - Your Trustworthy Physician\ lat...@grave.com Lots of ugly escape characters to look at; such things should be hidden from the user's eye. And, that's nothing compared to the goulash that actually gets sent in the email's header, where the above might look something like this: To: =?utf-8?Q?=22Dr. Johnny Lately - Your Trustworthy Physician=22?= lat...@grave.com If you think *that's* messy, just write to someone whose name contains a diacritic letter... *then* things start getting *really* messy, and the TO filed in the email's headers becomes next to impossible to parse with human eye. Under such circumstances, I'm not surprised some messages containing headers like that get falsely labelled as spam. To avoid these problems, you might want to use only the recipient's address, and nothing else, in the TO field; I sometimes manually delete everything else that's in there, to make sure the message goes through without any delivery problems. R I have never had a problem with Gmail addresses - in ANY of the R possible formats Ah! NOW I see. -- Jack LaRosa Using The Bat! ver: 4.2.44.2. Running Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
