Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] inserted in subject line
Hi Peter, How can you be so sure about that, being tagged on your side? AS Because when my recipient reply to me they have something like that: AS Re: [Suspected Spam] . Ahhh... No proof of some outgoing program / tool adding that line. More like some incoming filter which adds it. As you wrote above: when my recipient reply to me It is not an incoming filter because the subject of the receipt confirmation that I get from MAILER-DAEMON says Delivery report: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Did you check if your recipient received the msg including [Suspected Spam] in the subject? What's the answer? Yes they do receive. I strongly feel it is my ISP the main culprit. I suspect they have some sort of bayesian filter running and does not like something with the message header generated by TB!. I am trying to sort this out with them. Thanks, Arjun _ One and only Ash. Find out all about her. Only on MSN Search http://server1.msn.co.in/profile/aishwarya.asp Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] inserted in subject line
Hello Arjun, On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:44:07 +0530GMT Arjun Sahani wrote: Did you check if your recipient received the msg including [Suspected Spam] in the subject? What's the answer? AS Yes they do receive. I strongly feel it is my ISP the main culprit. I AS suspect they have some sort of bayesian filter running and does not like AS something with the message header generated by TB!. Do you have this problem with all mails or only with HTML-mails? Any time I forward a HTML-mail in HTML-Format to my company mail address, this mail is tagged as Spam. This does not happen when I forward as plain text with HTML attachment. The reason in my case is, that my company uses a 2 years old version of SpamAssassin (v 2.64) and SpamAssasin thinks that TB is not able to send HTML mails. Perhaps your problem has a similar cause. -- Regards, Feli The Bat! 3.72.11 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 BayesIt! 0.8.4 Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] inserted in subject line
Hello Arjun Sahani everyone else, on 21-Apr-2006 at 02:21 you (Arjun Sahani) wrote: I am only using the web inteface of hotmail to send this until I find a solution for the Suspected Spam problem. Are you using thìs hotmail account when you use TheBat? If so, you can't simply relay messages thru your ISPs SMTP server. You MUST use the hotmail SMTP servers. [Hotmail supports the Sender Policy Framework: servers that are allowed to send mail with a from address @hotmail.com are identified in the DNS. If you're sending a mail as [EMAIL PROTECTED] and do not send it over hotmails own SMTP server (but via your ISPs), a spam checker on the way may report a forged sender address because the sending SMTP server and the SMTP servers registered as allowed do not match] -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) I tell you that I can trace my ancestry back to a protoplasmic primordial atomic globule. -- Gilbert Sullivan Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] inserted in subject line
Hi Ian, AS Yes they do receive. I strongly feel it is my ISP the main AS culprit. I suspect they have some sort of bayesian filter running AS and does not like something with the message header generated by AS TB!. I am trying to sort this out with them. Well, I do know that the spam filter of Norton Internet Security will add things to the Subject of incoming mail that is scanned for spam. I think the ISP has such a filter but what puzzled me is that the filter operates on outgoing mail as well. It is weird. As to why it does not happen with other mail clients, some spam filters consider mail created by The Bat! is potential spam. I have spoken longly with the ISP people and they possibly have found something that could be causing the problem. Like Roelof pointed to me in a private mail, it is definitely their SMTP filter that is adding the spam tag to my message. They promise to fix it on Monday!!! I want to thank everyone for their precious help and for pointing me to the possible origin of the problems. Regards, Arjun _ NRIs Zero balance Account. FREE Money Transfers with FREE DVD https://www.online.citibank.co.in/portal/rca_msntagofline.htm Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] inserted in subject line
Hi Feli, Did you check if your recipient received the msg including [Suspected Spam] in the subject? What's the answer? AS Yes they do receive. I strongly feel it is my ISP the main culprit. I AS suspect they have some sort of bayesian filter running and does not like AS something with the message header generated by TB!. Do you have this problem with all mails or only with HTML-mails? No, I don't use HTML-mail at all. Any time I forward a HTML-mail in HTML-Format to my company mail address, this mail is tagged as Spam. This does not happen when I forward as plain text with HTML attachment. The reason in my case is, that my company uses a 2 years old version of SpamAssassin (v 2.64) and SpamAssasin thinks that TB is not able to send HTML mails. Perhaps your problem has a similar cause. Though my problem does not seem to originate from HTML mail but I do think that the ISP filtering system that causing this. But whether it is SpamAssassin I don't know this. Regards, Arjun _ One and only Ash. Find out all about her. Only on MSN Search http://server1.msn.co.in/profile/aishwarya.asp Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] inserted in subject line
Hello Arjun Sahani everyone else, on 20-Apr-2006 at 23:02 you (Arjun Sahani) wrote: I have a very weird problem when using the bat! I have [SUSPECTED SPAM] inserted infront of my subject. It's not inserted by my smtp server because when I use another email program I do not get this. I spoke with the ISP and they have no clue either. They tell me it is my email program which is the culprit. First, check Options / Preferences / Protection / Anti-Spam if you are using any anti-spam plugin. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) NP: Aravinda by Magic Mushroom Band (from the 1997 album The Spaced Collection) Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] inserted in subject line
Hi Alexander, I have a very weird problem when using the bat! I have [SUSPECTED SPAM] inserted infront of my subject. It's not inserted by my smtp server because when I use another email program I do not get this. I spoke with the ISP and they have no clue either. They tell me it is my email program which is the culprit. First, check Options / Preferences / Protection / Anti-Spam if you are using any anti-spam plugin. I thought the same too. I was using BayesFilter and removed it but no chance. I tried playing with the X-Mailer field but did not work. -- Arjun _ How good are you in a Formula One car? Play now http://server1.msn.co.in/sp05/tataracing/onlinegame.asp Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] inserted in subject line
Hello Arjun Sahani everyone else, on 20-Apr-2006 at 23:50 you (Arjun Sahani) wrote: First, check Options / Preferences / Protection / Anti-Spam if you are using any anti-spam plugin. I thought the same too. I was using BayesFilter and removed it but no chance. So, that preferences option is entirely empty? I tried playing with the X-Mailer field but did not work. Ah. You mean the subject line is included in messages SENT by you? In that case, it can't be any antispam plugin, because it is only used on message you are receiving. Its not used for outgoing messages. Check your Sent Mail folder. If the subject line is not there, its not TheBat. If any remote system is classifying your mails as spam and it only happens when you're using TheBat, the X-Mailer header is the only known culprit, in that case it should be disabled. If it happens even when the X-Mailer header is disabled, its something else on the way from your end to the remote end. Maybe you're relaying your mails over a blacklisted gateway, or something. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) NP: It Just Takes Time by Magic Mushroom Band (from the 1997 album The Spaced Collection) Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] inserted in subject line
Hi Alexander, I thought the same too. I was using BayesFilter and removed it but no chance. So, that preferences option is entirely empty? Yes completely empty. I even deleted the BayesFilter folder to be sure! I tried playing with the X-Mailer field but did not work. Ah. You mean the subject line is included in messages SENT by you? The messages I send are tagged on my end since the recipients received my message with the [Spam Suspected] but in the sent folder the tag is not there. In that case, it can't be any antispam plugin, because it is only used on message you are receiving. Its not used for outgoing messages. I would think so too. Check your Sent Mail folder. If the subject line is not there, its not TheBat. It should be The Bat! since I do have have this problem with another email program. If any remote system is classifying your mails as spam and it only happens when you're using TheBat, the X-Mailer header is the only known culprit, in that case it should be disabled. It's disabled. If it happens even when the X-Mailer header is disabled, its something else on the way from your end to the remote end. Maybe you're relaying your mails over a blacklisted gateway, or something. Well, if this is the case then I should have the same problem using another email client but the other email client I used did not exhibit this problem. Very strange indeed. Even my ISP could not understand it. I was 100% sure it was with the ISP SMTP filtering system playing some mischiefs with my mails but assured me they don't have one for the outgoing messages. Thanks, Arjun -- _ NRIs: Send Money FREE! Go ahead and register now! http://ads.mediaturf.net/event.ng/Type=clickFlightID=20273AdID=65989TargetID=11172Targets=11172Values=202,414,1093,1264,3122Redirect=http:%2F%2Fwww.icicinri.net%2Fmoney2india%2F%3Fm2i%3DBAC-MSN%26att%3DMSNTLM2I18CHAR%26rfr%3DMSNTLM2I18CHAR Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] inserted in subject line
Hallo Arjun, On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 02:32:44 +0530GMT (20-4-2006, 23:02 +0100, where I live), you wrote: AS I have a very weird problem when using the bat! I have [SUSPECTED SPAM] AS inserted infront of my subject. It's not inserted by my smtp server because AS when I use another email program I do not get this. I spoke with the ISP and AS they have no clue either. They tell me it is my email program which is the AS culprit. If I understand this correctly, this concerns your outgoing mail. 1) Do all of your contacts complain about this? 2) Does the prefix appear in your 'sent mail' folder? (In that case it's a template issue.) 3) Could you send me a private message with TB, just to see whether it occurs in a message to me. -- Groetjes, Roelof As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing. The Bat! 3.72.11 (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpvD3MsYAHC7.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] inserted in subject line
Recently, Roelof Otten opined : Do all of your contacts complain about this? I agree with Alex K on this one namely the X-Header ... Some ISP spam filtering, for some strange reason, occasionally tags TB! sent emails as some IF they are including the Preferences|General Use X-Mailer Header option -- Regards, Robert D. :flag-us-ky: _ The Bat! Version: 3.72.11 (Beta) Windows ME FireFox Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] inserted in subject line
Hi Roelof, If I understand this correctly, this concerns your outgoing mail. Yes 1) Do all of your contacts complain about this? No some. It seems it depends on the content. I notice for message starting with Dear Sir, I have this problem and some other as well. Trying to send the same message with with nPOP (a small email program) did not result with my message being tagged with [Suspected Spam]. I even tried putting spamming words like Viagra using nPOP but still without problem but it fails with TB! 2) Does the prefix appear in your 'sent mail' folder? (In that case it's a template issue.) No it does not. 3) Could you send me a private message with TB, just to see whether it occurs in a message to me. Ok I sent a message to you. Regards, Arjun -- _ Tried the new MSN Messenger? Its cool! Download now. http://messenger.msn.com/Download/Default.aspx?mkt=en-in Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] inserted in subject line
Hi Peter, AS The messages I send are tagged on my end since the recipients AS received my message with the [Spam Suspected] but in the sent AS folder the tag is not there. How can you be so sure about that, being tagged on your side? Because when my recipient reply to me they have something like that: Re: [Suspected Spam] . AS Well, if this is the case then I should have the same problem using AS another email client but the other email client I used did not AS exhibit this problem. Is your other email client using the same SMTP server? What email client is that? Who's your ISP? One might go on like that. In worst case, you can have a test account on my server, then see what happens. I just checked checked with my gmail account and it's ok with TB! But the question that arises is what's wrong with the combination of my ISP and TB!? Your signature delimiter is broken Sorry for this. I am using hotmail webmail to access my mails till I find a solution for the [Suspected Spam] problem. I think the delimiter does not work with hotmail. Regards, Arjun _ All that you wanted to know about Ms Beautiful Lips http://server1.msn.co.in/Profile/katrina.asp Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] inserted in subject line
Hi Peter, AS No some. It seems it depends on the content. I notice for message AS starting with Dear Sir, I have this problem and some other as well. Smells like some Bayes filter, somewhere. And, uhhh... I just noticed your email addy is some hotmail addy. Are you using TB to access it directly, send / receive ? -- Hence, some hotmail filtering / tagging ?? If so, what happens using your true email addy? I am only using the web inteface of hotmail to send this until I find a solution for the Suspected Spam problem. Regards, Arjun _ NRIs Zero balance Account. FREE Money Transfers with FREE DVD https://www.online.citibank.co.in/portal/rca_msntagofline.htm Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
