Re: Recipients' Addresses Suppression
Hi On Thursday 11 June 2009 at 7:30:25 PM, in mid:1679766999.2009063...@pobox.com, Bill McQuillan wrote: The recommended way to handle this case is to put all of the recipients in the BCC: header field, which will be removed when the message is actually sent, and to put undisclosed recipients:; in the TO: field. (Note the trailing :; which satisfies the requirement for something in the TO: field by using the under-utilized group syntax.) If I put undisclosed recipients:; (or any other text ending ;:) in the TO: field I find that TB! does not send the To: header. If I put an addressee in the To: field as well as undisclosed recipients:; the To: header is sent containing the recipient and not the undisclosed recipients:; string. Anybody confirm this? -- Best regards, MFPA Editing is a rewording activity Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Recipients' Addresses Suppression
On Thursday, June 11, 2009, 20:30:25, Bill McQuillan wrote: The recommended way to handle this case is to put all of the recipients in the BCC: header field, which will be removed when the message is actually sent, and to put undisclosed recipients:; in the TO: field. Actually, don't put anything in the To field - Undisclosed Recipients is added by Postfix when there's no To field automatically (what other MTAs do varies though). -- Jernej Simončič http://eternallybored.org/ Cannot open file d:\program files\the bat!\murphy.txt Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Recipients' Addresses Suppression
Hello Paul On Thursday, June 11, 2009, 1:51:00 PM, you wrote: Hello tb...@thebat., Thursday, June 11, 2009, 3:31:11 PM, you wrote: CYL Hello CYL Is there a method in The Bat! which allows one to send the same e-mail CYL to a group of people, but the e-mail addresses are suppressed in each CYL of the e-mail received? CYL I had for many years used Pegasus Mail, and it has what is known as CYL distribution lists, in which one can enter e-mail addresses either CYL directly or selected from the address book, but the e-mail sent out CYL does not have the e-mail addresses of the recipients; it will show an CYL e-mail address invented by the sender when creating the distribution CYL list, in an e-mail address format, e.g., recipi...@group.org, which CYL address, I believe, is linked to the addresses entered into the CYL distribution list. CYL I have checked the help files of The Bat! but could not find anything CYL pertaining to this. Have I overlooked anything? Maybe I do not understand your problem clearly, but when I send to people without showing their email addresses, I just put them in BCC: blind copy instead of in To: If I have to send e-mail to the same group of people, such as members of a society of which I am a member, very often, is there a way of NOT having to insert their addresses each time I send them an e-mail, but pick up all the addresses from a distribution list I only have to create once? I have not used BCCs in The Bat!, so I don't know if by doing so, the recipients' addresses are suppressed. But some other e-mail clients, the BCCs still show up in the e-mail in the header line BCC. -- Best regards, Chew Yoke Limmailto:ylche...@gmail.com Current version is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re: Recipients' Addresses Suppression
Hello Lim, Maybe I do not understand your problem clearly, but when I send to people without showing their email addresses, I just put them in BCC: blind copy instead of in To: If I have to send e-mail to the same group of people, such as members of a society of which I am a member, very often, is there a way of NOT having to insert their addresses each time I send them an e-mail, but pick up all the addresses from a distribution list I only have to create once? I have not used BCCs in The Bat!, so I don't know if by doing so, the recipients' addresses are suppressed. But some other e-mail clients, the BCCs still show up in the e-mail in the header line BCC. I guess Mass Mailing would be ideal. Each address will receive a personalized individual message as if you had sent it only to that particular address. If you have 50 addresses, there will be 50 messages generated in the OUT box and each and every message will contain only one recipient address OR you can also have a GROUP, but all 50 email addresses will appear in the TO column and may be time consuming to transmit if too much addresses are inserted. -- best regards rizvi Current version is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Recipients' Addresses Suppression
Hallo Chew, On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:31:11 +0800GMT (11-6-2009, 7:31 +0200, where I live), you wrote: CYL Is there a method in The Bat! which allows one to send the same e-mail CYL to a group of people, but the e-mail addresses are suppressed in each CYL of the e-mail received? Basically TB offers two methods to achieve this. You can either use the mass mailing feature or BCC your recipients. The mass mailing feature offers the possibility to personalise each message and sends just as many messages as you've got recipients. By putting your recipients in the BCC header, you send one message to multiple recipients who don't see any recipient listed in the BCC. It isn't necessary to place a recipient in the To field, though placing your own address there means that message is less prone to interception by spam filters. -- Groetjes, Roelof Never underestimate the power of human stupidity. - Robert A.Heinlein http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.2.4 Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1 6 pop3 accounts, 1 imap account OTFE enabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgpTbOVaQS10f.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Recipients' Addresses Suppression
Hallo Chew, On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:47:28 +0800GMT (11-6-2009, 8:47 +0200, where I live), you wrote: CYL I have not used BCCs in The Bat!, so I don't know if by doing so, CYL the recipients' addresses are suppressed. But some other e-mail CYL clients, the BCCs still show up in the e-mail in the header line BCC. They're not supposed to show up in the message the addressee receives, but they do show up in the sender's copy. I don't know what clients you've used in the past, but I've never run into a mail client that didn't hide the BCC for the recipient. You can test this for yourself by BCCing a message to yourself and com[are the copy in Sent Mail to the one in your Inbox. -- Groetjes, Roelof Everyone IS entitled to my opinion. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.2.4 Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1 6 pop3 accounts, 1 imap account OTFE enabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgpEPzEXq1WNd.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Recipients' Addresses Suppression
On Thursday, June 11, 2009, 7:47:28 AM, Chew Yoke Lim wrote: If I have to send e-mail to the same group of people, such as members of a society of which I am a member, very often, is there a way of NOT having to insert their addresses each time I send them an e-mail, but pick up all the addresses from a distribution list I only have to create once? I think that you are looking at the Group feature in the addressbook. You will see in the addressbook dialog for individuals there is an entry for Group, so you could define a group of society members and then use the mass mailing features to send messages to all members in that Group. There is more information in the help files which is worth reading carefully as there are some choices about how groups interact with the main addressbook. Julian -- Julian Beach jul...@trink.co.uk jbli...@dial.pipex.com (List Traffic) Current version is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Recipients' Addresses Suppression
Hi On Thursday 11 June 2009 at 8:24:19 AM, in mid:1343150610.20090611092...@otten.tv, Roelof Otten wrote: It isn't necessary to place a recipient in the To field, though placing your own address there means that message is less prone to interception by spam filters. Here, TB! will not let me leave the TO field blank. A dialog box appears when I hit send saying You cannot leave To: field blank Maybe I have configured this in an option somewhere. (The terrible email client we use at work has allowed me to accidentally do this, on occasion - maybe it should be called Look Out?) When I mail to a group from TB!, everybody goes in BCC and a disposable address goes in To, not my address. This is because I do not trust that recipients who may forward the message will have the courtesy to remove my address from the To field of the forwarded message. -- Best regards, MFPA During an eruption - move away from the volcano - not towards it Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Recipients' Addresses Suppression
Hallo MFPA, On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:17:57 +0100GMT (11-6-2009, 13:17 +0200, where I live), you wrote: M Here, TB! will not let me leave the TO field blank. A dialog box M appears when I hit send saying You cannot leave To: field blank M Maybe I have configured this in an option somewhere. (The terrible M email client we use at work has allowed me to accidentally do this, on M occasion - maybe it should be called Look Out?) I'm not aware of an option in TB that warns for an empty To header, but there are servers that don't accept those, is it TB passing through a server response? M When I mail to a group from TB!, everybody goes in BCC and a M disposable address goes in To, not my address. This is because I do M not trust that recipients who may forward the message will have the M courtesy to remove my address from the To field of the forwarded M message. Forwarding doesn't mean that you're using the same To header as before. However the original To header generally is listed in the message body, but so is the original From header. And somehow you trust them to remove your address from the quoted From header? ;-) -- Groetjes, Roelof sorry, I don't date outside my species http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.2.4 Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1 6 pop3 accounts, 1 imap account OTFE enabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgpVYAmuFSnNo.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Recipients' Addresses Suppression
Hi On Thursday 11 June 2009 at 12:45:44 PM, in mid:1071914001.20090611134...@otten.tv, Roelof Otten wrote: I'm not aware of an option in TB that warns for an empty To header, but there are servers that don't accept those, is it TB passing through a server response? I made a mistake earlier - this dialog box only appears if To CC and BCC are all empty. I can't find an option, either. It is definitely from TB! The dialog box appears when you would normally get the connection centre. The title bar of the box is edit mail message - the same as a message editor window before you fill the To field. When you press OK, the dialog box disappears and the message editor window stays. You can save as draft but not send or put in outbox or send now. [...] the original To header generally is listed in the message body, That is what I meant, even though not what I said! but so is the original From header. And somehow you trust them to remove your address from the quoted From header? ;-) I guess I think more when doing it than when writing about it. My From address for my occasional group mailings is one I use specifically for the purpose that is set up to delete all incoming mail that does not come from a member of the group. So I don't think of it as My address. -- Best regards, MFPA If you can't convince them, confuse them. Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Recipients' Addresses Suppression
On Thu, 2009-06-11, MFPA wrote: On Thursday 11 June 2009 at 12:45:44 PM, in mid:1071914001.20090611134...@otten.tv, Roelof Otten wrote: I'm not aware of an option in TB that warns for an empty To header, but there are servers that don't accept those, is it TB passing through a server response? I made a mistake earlier - this dialog box only appears if To CC and BCC are all empty. The recommended way to handle this case is to put all of the recipients in the BCC: header field, which will be removed when the message is actually sent, and to put undisclosed recipients:; in the TO: field. (Note the trailing :; which satisfies the requirement for something in the TO: field by using the under-utilized group syntax.) -- Bill McQuillan bill.mcquil...@pobox.com Using The Bat! 2.11 on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600-Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Recipients' Addresses Suppression
Hi On Thursday 11 June 2009 at 7:30:25 PM, in mid:1679766999.2009063...@pobox.com, Bill McQuillan wrote: The recommended way to handle this case is to put all of the recipients in the BCC: header field, which will be removed when the message is actually sent, and to put undisclosed recipients:; in the TO: field. (Note the trailing :; which satisfies the requirement for something in the TO: field by using the under-utilized group syntax.) I have seen undisclosed recipients:; so rarely that I didn't know it was a recommended construction. I have even seen one of the webmail services treat it as spam. -- Best regards, MFPA The One with The Answer is seldom asked The Question Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Recipients' Addresses Suppression
Hello tb...@thebat., Thursday, June 11, 2009, 3:31:11 PM, you wrote: CYL Hello CYL Is there a method in The Bat! which allows one to send the same e-mail CYL to a group of people, but the e-mail addresses are suppressed in each CYL of the e-mail received? CYL I had for many years used Pegasus Mail, and it has what is known as CYL distribution lists, in which one can enter e-mail addresses either CYL directly or selected from the address book, but the e-mail sent out CYL does not have the e-mail addresses of the recipients; it will show an CYL e-mail address invented by the sender when creating the distribution CYL list, in an e-mail address format, e.g., recipi...@group.org, which CYL address, I believe, is linked to the addresses entered into the CYL distribution list. CYL I have checked the help files of The Bat! but could not find anything CYL pertaining to this. Have I overlooked anything? Maybe I do not understand your problem clearly, but when I send to people without showing their email addresses, I just put them in BCC: blind copy instead of in To: -- Paul - Using The Bat! v4.1.11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 ...Back Up My Hard Drive? I Can't Find The Reverse Switch! Current version is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
