Re: Undo, Prievious view commands
On Tuesday, April 03, 2001 at 07:12:37 +0400 jlaikan wrote: BC You can use Ctrl+Up and Ctrl+Down to move to the previous or BC next message while in preview mode. ACM Those shortcuts only work in view-folder windows. Most of the time I only Preview messages Sometimes I wish to Go back to a previous message previewed. Without the feature I requested, I have to remember which message it was and search for it manually. That's why I think that the feature would be useful to me. I'm afraid the shortcuts Brian mentioned don't do what you want, not even in folder-view window. They'll take you to the message above or below current one in the message list, but not to the ones you viewed previously. IOW, what you need are "history navigation" shortcuts, which TB doesn't provide at this moment. It's on my wish list, too. The deficiency of TB in terms of navigation has been well discussed on the list, and basically people agree it could take a page or two from other newsreaders or emailers. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Undo, Prievious view commands
On Tuesday, April 03, 2001 at 11:48:56 +0800 Thomas wrote: That's why it's called "preview" pane. You can easily navigate while you are in folder view. But it doesn't make much sense. Many of the functional discrepancies between main window and folder view window just don't make sense. E.g., there's no folder menu in the folder view, so you can't perform folder maintenance function in it. I read in a folder view, found duplicates, and have to switch back to main window to kill them. The lack of some navigation shortcuts (Ctrl-Up or Down) in the main window doesn't make sense, either. If they perform other functions in the main window, then I could understand, but they're not. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Undo, Prievious view commands
Hallo Ming-Li, On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 07:04:59 -0700 GMT (05/04/2001, 22:04 +0800 GMT), Ming-Li wrote: That's why it's called "preview" pane. You can easily navigate while you are in folder view. I just watched myself reading the new messages on this list. What I do is, I read in the preview pane, have set "no thread mode", and sort by "received / descending". I go through the message hitting the space bar in (more or less) regular intervals. If I want to go back to the previous message, I hit UpArrow. Going back down, if I don;'t want to hit the space bar a couple tof times, can be achieved with hitting DownArrow once. ML E.g., there's no folder menu in the folder view, so you can't ML perform folder maintenance function in it. Now that you mention it, I agree that there should be full folder functions in the folder view. ML The lack of some navigation shortcuts (Ctrl-Up or Down) in the ML main window doesn't make sense, either. What do they (not) do? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. -There is intelligent life on Earth, but I'm just visiting. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Undo, Prievious view commands
On Thursday, April 05, 2001 at 23:38:18 +0800 Thomas wrote: I just watched myself reading the new messages on this list. What I do is, I read in the preview pane, have set "no thread mode", and sort by "received / descending". I go through the message hitting the space bar in (more or less) regular intervals. For a discussion list, I prefer threaded mode, especially with lists where threading works well (like TB lists). Whether to read in preview pane or to open a folder view window depends on how many messages there're to read. When plenty, I prefer the folder view widow, for it rids the account tree pane and gives me more information on the message list pane. (I generally don't use the gray message header pane.) Yet as I said, the lack of the folder menu is inconvenient. ML The lack of some navigation shortcuts (Ctrl-Up or Down) in the ML main window doesn't make sense, either. What do they (not) do? In folder view, when the message body pane is in focus, Ctrl-Up or Down moves the focus the the message above or below the current one in the message list. It's basically the same as the Up or Down key (without Ctrl) when the focus is in the message list pane. Why would one want to put focus in the message body pane, you may ask? Well, e.g., to search in the message body. Or sometimes I close the message list pane (to give more space to the body), or sometimes I want to scroll up with keyboard (spacebar works well only when you keeps scrolling down). -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Undo, Prievious view commands
Hallo Ming-Li, On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:01:45 -0700 GMT (06/04/2001, 00:01 +0800 GMT), Ming-Li wrote: ML Whether to read in preview pane or to open a folder view window ML depends on how many messages there're to read. Same here. When I wrote the message to which you replied, I had a mere 4 new messages in that folder. However, I read TBBETA after that, and with 15 newmessages, I found myself opening the folder view, which is on "thread by reference" by default. ML The lack of some navigation shortcuts (Ctrl-Up or Down) in the ML main window doesn't make sense, either. ML In folder view, when the message body pane is in focus, Ctrl-Up or ML Down moves the focus the the message above or below the current one ML in the message list. It's basically the same as the Up or Down key ML (without Ctrl) when the focus is in the message list pane. So everything is there, I am confused by the word "lack of". -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. "Momentum: What you give a person when they are going away." Message reply created with The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Undo, Prievious view commands
On Thursday, April 05, 2001 at 00:08:38 +0800 Thomas wrote: ML The lack of some navigation shortcuts (Ctrl-Up or Down) in ML the main window doesn't make sense, either. So everything is there, In *folder view* window! I am confused by the word "lack of". lack of, in the *main window*. :-) -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Undo, Prievious view commands
Hallo Ming-Li, On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:33:52 -0700 GMT (06/04/2001, 00:33 +0800 GMT), Ming-Li wrote: I am confused by the word "lack of". ML lack of, in the *main window*. :-) OK, now I get it: I'm using oly unthreaded view in the preview pane. So I don't exprience the lack. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. In a Bangkok dry cleaner's: Drop your trousers here for best results. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Undo, Prievious view commands
On Thursday, April 05, 2001 at 00:42:24 +0800 Thomas wrote: OK, now I get it: I'm using oly unthreaded view in the preview pane. So I don't exprience the lack. Urr, I don't think it has anything to do with threading. Even in unthreaded view (I do use unthreaded view for my non-discussion list folders), I still need to jump up and down (i.e., Ctrl-Up and Down are needed) sometimes. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Undo, Prievious view commands
Hallo Ming-Li, On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:16:10 -0700 GMT (06/04/2001, 01:16 +0800 GMT), Ming-Li wrote: ML Urr, I don't think it has anything to do with threading. In unthreaded view, I use the up and down arrows. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Get a new car for your spouse--it'll be a great trade! Message reply created with The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Undo, Prievious view commands
On Thursday, April 05, 2001 at 01:20:24 +0800 Thomas wrote: In unthreaded view, I use the up and down arrows. I thought I've made that clear in my earlier post: :-( The up and down arrows work when the focus is in the message list pane, both in the main window or folder view window. But when the focus is in the message body pane (and I also gave some examples why they focus would be there), one needs the Ctrl-Up and Down arrows, which are only available in the folder view. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Undo, Prievious view commands
Hi Ming-Li, On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:17:34 -0700GMT (06/04/2001, 02:17 +0800GMT), Ming-Li wrote: ML I thought I've made that clear in my earlier post: :-( It is me is thick. ;-) ML But when the focus is in the message body pane That's when I use the space bar, and when this message is finished, the focus will conveniently go back from the message body to the message list. I forgot you want to keep the focus on the body, which you explained earlier. I need a vacation. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.51 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Undo, Prievious view commands
Hi jlaikan, @ 9:49:47 AM on 4/3/2001, jlaikan wrote: ... j (2) It is not possible to navigate Back or Forward (as with j Internet Explorer for example) while previewing messages in the j Preview Pane Sure it is (unless I'm interpreting messages wrong, yet again). You can use Ctrl+Up and Ctrl+Down to move to the previous or next message while in preview mode. -- Brian Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Architect, Designer, and Programmer PGP is spoken here: 0xE4D0C7C8 [TB! 1.52 Beta/3, Windows 98 (SE) 4.10 Build A] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Undo, Prievious view commands
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:13:44 -0400, Brian graced us with these comments: j (2) It is not possible to navigate Back or Forward (as with Internet j Explorer for example) while previewing messages in the Preview Pane BC Sure it is (unless I'm interpreting messages wrong, yet again). You BC can use Ctrl+Up and Ctrl+Down to move to the previous or next message BC while in preview mode. Those shortcuts only work in view-folder windows. - -- Allie, -= A. Curtis Martin =- List Moderator (and fellow end-user) Using The Bat! v1.52 Beta/3 | Win2k (SP1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build/04.. Comment: PGP Key ID: 0x57C9EB602B0717E2 (Sealed for security). iQA/AwUBOspTRFfJ62ArBxfiEQLEQQCdHYhPtIaGvAqwgXqLZB7levDBIR0AoOWy BUM4q/aS9LpQE4jE7cTO4/sf =dSzj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Undo, Prievious view commands
Hi jlaikan, On Tue, 3 Apr 2001 17:49:47 +0400GMT (03/04/2001, 21:49 +0800GMT), jlaikan wrote: j (2) It is not possible to navigate Back or Forward (as with Internet Explorer for example) j while previewing messages in the Preview Pane That's why it's called "preview" pane. You can easily navigate while you are in folder view. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.51 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Undo, Prievious view commands
Hi Oleg, @ 3:47:31 AM on 4/2/2001, Oleg wrote: ... O Why not to delete messages by filter? In my case, what exactly would that accomplish? -- Brian Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Architect, Designer, and Programmer PGP is spoken here: 0xE4D0C7C8 [TB! 1.52 Beta/3, Windows 98 (SE) 4.10 Build A] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Undo, Prievious view commands
Hi Brian, On Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:28:50 -0400GMT (03/04/2001, 08:28 +0800GMT), Brian Clark wrote: O Why not to delete messages by filter? BC In my case, what exactly would that accomplish? That you do not accidentally delete messages, I guess. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.51 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Undo, Prievious view commands
Hello jlaikan, On Friday, March 30, 2001 08:49:07 [ +0400 GMT], you wrote the following in regards to 'Undo, Prievious view commands': jlaikan By mistake I moved a message to a folder containing thousands of jlaikan messages. I don't remember which message it was and I wish to undo jlaikan this action. Is there a command (like that in jlaikan Windows Explorer) for this? I don't know the specific answer to your question but I'd like to point out that by using the F7 key as a universal search on *any* criteria. So even if you remember one word or phrase, TB will find it *very* quickly. HTH -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA Using TB! v1.51 ICQ 41116329 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Undo, Prievious view commands
Hello, the Bat! list recipients, Saturday, March 31, 2001, jlaikan wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] about Undo, Prievious view commands: j By mistake I moved a message to a folder containing thousands of j messages. I don't remember which message it was and I wish to undo j this action. Is there a command (like that in Windows Explorer) for j this? There is no special command for that. Try to browse deleted messages for source folder. -- Best regards, Oleg Zalyalov. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! version 1.51 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Undo, Prievious view commands
Hi Oleg, @ 9:57:07 AM on 3/31/01, Oleg wrote: ... j By mistake I moved a message to a folder containing thousands of j messages. I don't remember which message it was and I wish to undo j this action. Is there a command (like that in Windows Explorer) for j this? There is no special command for that. Try to browse deleted messages for source folder. Now, this is something that I just can't seem to grasp. Why is there no undo except from within the editor? I remember asking this question when I first became a TB! user (around 1.47 Halloween? Maybe slightly before). IOW, what harm would there be in allowing a user to delete a message, then hit Ctrl+Z if they deleted the wrong one (which happens often - especially since some of us get hundreds of pieces of email in a day). It's almost like RIT forgot to add an undo. g -- Brian Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Architect, Designer, and Programmer PGP is spoken here: 0xE4D0C7C8 [TB! 1.52 Beta/1, Windows 98 (SE) 4.10 Build A] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Undo, Prievious view commands
Hi Oleg, @ 3:33:06 PM on 3/31/2001, Oleg wrote: ... You know what? I do rarely delete messages. Most of them are kept forever, or for some days and then are deleted automatically, or are deleted by filters. So I do delete messages by accident very very rarely. Some lists I archive by 'Exporting the message to a file' (by appending) in my incoming filters. If I'm sure I'm finished with it for the moment, I delete it because I'll have an archived backup copy. But for those brain-farts I have often, I hit Del, then realize I shouldn't have done that so I have to go digging in the trash. :) Sure it's just a matter of going to the trash and opening it it. It's really no big deal. My main reasoning for speaking up about this is really because I was just surprised, for the pound of gold TB! is (as in features, not currency), that it doesn't have that (pretty standard, IMO) feature. It doesn't bug me too much really. Here's two more parens just for good measure: () (You never can have too many in one email message.) -- Brian Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Architect, Designer, and Programmer PGP is spoken here: 0xE4D0C7C8 [TB! 1.52 Beta/1, Windows 98 (SE) 4.10 Build A] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Undo, Prievious view commands
Hallo Brian, On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:57:35 -0500 GMT (01/04/2001, 04:57 +0800 GMT), Brian Clark wrote: BC Here's two more parens just for good measure: () LOL -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. "Dear Teacher: Please excuse the stink on Bill's clothes. We've been spraying the garden because it is full of abnoxus incests." Message reply created with The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
