Re[2]: Filters again

2002-07-23 Thread Lynn Turriff



Monday, July 22, 2002, 5:24:16 PM, you wrote:

[snip]

Hi Allie -

ACM Sounds like you need to invest in one of those
ACM specialist spam filtering tools that have been
ACM mentioned on this list now and then, like Spam Weasel
ACM or SpamCop.

I may resort to that, but looking at some of the filters
to automate it has given me vertigo, so I'm putting it off
till I have a better understanding of the filtering thing.

ACM You could also try the filter be exclusion technique.
ACM This one is based on the fact that if you filter mail
ACM from everyone you expect mail from then everything
ACM else should be spam. I personally do the following in
ACM the order mentioned:

Yes .. this is where I'm headed. I'm now running into
ordering issues, so have kept your list. tnx.


ACM PS// To be truthful, since I've obtained a primary MX
ACM Server for my domain mail, my spam message influx has
ACM been reduced from 20 spam messages a day to 1-2 per
ACM week.

Not an option here for some time to come, unfortunately.
Attractive, though :-)

I appreciate all the input -


Lynn



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Re[2]: Filters again

2002-07-23 Thread Lynn Turriff



Monday, July 22, 2002, 3:28:25 PM, you wrote:

 so do I list this as 'sender', or as 'kludges', or
 what?

DAC I'm using sender for those.

Hmmm .. then I think my current problems must be mostly
the order.

Thanks,

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Re[2]: Filters again

2002-07-23 Thread Lynn Turriff



Tuesday, July 23, 2002, 10:13:11 AM, you wrote:

RO Hallo Lynn,

RO On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:01:08 -0700GMT (23-7-02, 18:01 +0200GMT, where
RO I live), you wrote:

LT Because, as I mentioned in a previous mail, either I have
LT to put them in my 'personal' AB, where I don't want them,
LT even as a group, or make a new AB which would have to be
LT made the default (as nearly as I can tell) to be used in
LT the filters.

RO When you define a new address book and create a group in there, you
RO could test for the addresses being present in that group.

RO I've used the same strategy in the past to add people to specific
RO AB's.

Yes, it's easy to add them, but when I went to build a
filter, my choice was the default AB + it's groups.

If this doesn't work out I'll have another look, but I
don't want a thousand spam addresses in my main AB, nor do
I really want to change the default.

Lynn



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Re[2]: Filters again

2002-07-23 Thread Lynn Turriff

Hi all -

I just want to thank everybody who helped out with this
filtering. I think it's working fairly well now, though it
could use some tweaking. I'm hoping to do that without
hollering help, though :-)


Lynn



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Re[2]: Filters again

2002-07-22 Thread Lynn Turriff



Monday, July 22, 2002, 8:49:10 AM, you wrote:
[snip]

TM I would suggest a little different approach.  Put all your spam
TM addresses in a 'spamers' AB group, then have your filter process
TM against that AB group.  That way you don't need to modify your filter
TM each time you want to add a new spamer.  All you would need to do is
TM highlight the msg and Ctrl-W to add the new spamer to the AB Group and
TM away you go...

I'd rather not do this, if it can be avoided, but anyway
... see below ...

TM btw, you would do this on the 'Advanced' tab most of the way to the
TM bottom. Look for 'Address(es) must be listed in the address book:'
TM section.

I must be running an older version of TB than you are; the
advanced tab in my sorting office/filters has no such
box :-( I could upgrade, but have they fixed the memory
leak does anybody know? Never mind, I probably wouldn't
use the rtf viewer anyway ...

Lynn





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Re[2]: Filters again

2002-07-22 Thread Lynn Turriff



Monday, July 22, 2002, 8:11:39 AM, you wrote:

JA Yes... I think you're making a long AND query... so ALL the
JA addresses
JA would have to be listed.  Move all but the first one to the
JA alternatives page, and try running the filter again.

I did that - moved all but the first address to the
alternatives tab, by hitting 'add set' for each ... if I
do that, it'll make the rule 'or'? Or should I have hit
alt-ins ... ?

At any rate, I fixed one of the smaller filters this way,
and after I closed it a couple of them came in, not
filtered ...

Another thing - how can I add just the isp name to the
filter? I get several mails a day from same domain, all
with different prefixes and subjects .. would be nice to
be able to add @spammail.com to the list somehow. I've
tried that a couple of ways, but 

thanks again ..

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Re[2]: Filters again

2002-07-22 Thread Lynn Turriff



Monday, July 22, 2002, 1:03:51 PM, you wrote:

[snip]

LG It has, I'm sure about that. This setting has been there for quite a
LG while now (as far back as my TB experience goes, which must be 1.47
LG Halloween Edition, IIRC). There is also a scroll bar on this tab which
LG allows one to scroll down to more options.

Yes, I found it .. but it only selects the default address
book, so either you have to put all your spam addresses
into your personal book (not acceptable), or have a
separate spam AB as default .. also not workable. Unless I
missed something?

I really don't want to put a few hundred (thousand?) spam
addys in there, even sorted to a separate group ..

LG But most people tend to miss that little detail. ;-)

That's the little detail I missed .. duh!

I upgraded anyway .. I dl'ed it when the notice came in,
just didn't get around to the install. Now it's done!


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Re[2]: Filters again

2002-07-22 Thread Lynn Turriff



Monday, July 22, 2002, 1:04:51 PM, you wrote:

MDP Completely. In build 'q' of 1.60. 1.61 was 100% stable and 1.62
MDP is
MDP now in beta. Keep up!! ;-)

MDP - --
MDP Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator


Honey, if I could reduce this damn spam to a sensible
level, I might be able to keep TB up to date! lol!

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Re[2]: Filters again

2002-07-22 Thread Lynn Turriff



Monday, July 22, 2002, 1:14:55 PM, you wrote:

[snip]

JA You use Add Set.  I think alt-ins adds an AND to the OR statement.
JA So it'd be like this:

JA   A or B AND C

OK, I thought that might be the way it worked.

JA Hrm... no idea.

I'll go over them again .. who knows what I might have
missed?

 Another thing - how can I add just the isp name to the
 filter? I get several mails a day from same domain, all
 with different prefixes and subjects .. would be nice to
 be able to add @spammail.com to the list somehow. I've
 tried that a couple of ways, but 

JA Have you tried adding just @spammail.com?  I think you can, you may
JA have to enable regexp though.

I did, but now you mention it, I might not have checked
the regexp box .. OK, will comb them for that, too.

Tnx!

Lynn


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Re[2]: Filters again

2002-07-22 Thread Lynn Turriff



Monday, July 22, 2002, 1:36:41 PM, you wrote:

[snip]

DAC First, is there some advantage to having one filter with all the
DAC alternative spam items, instead of a number of filters.

I don't know .. but my filter list is so long that if I
want to find one for some reason, it's an awful pain, and
it's also a pain to sort.

I thought if I grouped them, or some of them at least, it
would be more manageable. Maybe not .. it's a 'let's try
this' thing .. shrug

Some of the stuff I'm filtering is legit mail that I just
want to route to a particular folder .. newsletter stuff
that they garble by giving each one a new name. Arrgghh!

DAC Second, at least when you have one item per filter, you can have
DAC sender just be spammail.com, and then you will catch @spammail.com,
DAC @one.spammail.com, @spamsender.spammail.com, etc. If you just do
DAC spammail and leave off the dot com, you will also get
DAC @smapmail.hotmail.com

Aha ... so do I list this as 'sender', or as 'kludges', or
what?

I wasn't sure if the '@' was necessary or not ...

Thanks!

Lynn


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