Re: upstream vendors and why they can be really harmful

2012-11-06 Thread Lars von den Driesch
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Marc Espie es...@nerim.net wrote: This is a mindset we need to fight, and this has to be a grass-roots movement. I agree with most of your statement, but for a grass-root movement you will need to attract a lot of people. Otherwise you will move exactly

Re: upstream vendors and why they can be really harmful

2012-11-06 Thread Lars von den Driesch
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Peter Hessler phess...@theapt.org wrote: On 2012 Nov 06 (Tue) at 16:45:17 +0100 (+0100), Lars von den Driesch wrote: This is exactly what happened in Linux-land, and brought us to this place in the first point. I know :-) And I understand

Re: upstream vendors and why they can be really harmful

2012-11-06 Thread Lars von den Driesch
Hi Marc On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Marc Espie es...@nerim.net wrote: So, hey, do whatever you want with that. Apart from the proverbial curmudgeons, there are LOTS of nice people in the OpenBSD developer community, who are fairly open to a lot of stuff... I wouldn't be there if that