Re: Should 80MB of RAM be enough for kernel relinking on i386?

2021-09-23 Thread Joerg Sonnenberger
On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 09:21:46PM +0100, Stuart Henderson wrote: > (the extra register used by PIE > hurts i386 mode a lot more than amd64 > mode with its extra registers), Just for the sake of correctness: it hurts much less on x86_64, because there is IP-relative addressing for code *and* data.

Re: Should 80MB of RAM be enough for kernel relinking on i386?

2021-09-23 Thread Theo de Raadt
You've made a pretty big assumption there. When we see something we don't think is important, we delete the email and carry on with more important things. You think hand-tuning this one paragraph is going to reduce the amount of mail we delete because it doesn't matter? It won't. A large numbe

Re: Should 80MB of RAM be enough for kernel relinking on i386?

2021-09-23 Thread Patrick Harper
Because you might not wish to deal with people like me posting dmesg's of absurdly deficient hardware on the lists. Putting minimum values up means you can cast off everything you don't want to bother trying to support as 'not worth your time', without anyone else having to discover that it was

Re: Should 80MB of RAM be enough for kernel relinking on i386?

2021-09-23 Thread Theo de Raadt
Stuart Henderson wrote: > Nobody should really by using i386 for new systems. The advantages > of running amd64-compatible hardware are too big to ignore. Lower power > consumption, much faster in most cases (the extra register used by PIE > hurts i386 mode a lot more than amd64 mode with its ext

Re: Should 80MB of RAM be enough for kernel relinking on i386?

2021-09-23 Thread Stuart Henderson
Nobody should really by using i386 for new systems. The advantages of running amd64-compatible hardware are too big to ignore. Lower power consumption, much faster in most cases (the extra register used by PIE hurts i386 mode a lot more than amd64 mode with its extra registers), more address space

Re: Should 80MB of RAM be enough for kernel relinking on i386?

2021-09-23 Thread Solène Rapenne
Le Thu, 23 Sep 2021 14:37:12 +0200, Janne Johansson a écrit : > Den tors 23 sep. 2021 kl 14:27 skrev Patrick Harper : > > > > If there will continue to be a minimum disk value then 600MB wouldn't > > be nearly enough for swap, maybe 2GB for a whole disk? > > Could this handwaving please stop?

Re: Should 80MB of RAM be enough for kernel relinking on i386?

2021-09-23 Thread Kenneth Gober
On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 8:37 AM Janne Johansson wrote: > Could this handwaving please stop? If anyone wants, make a i386 VM and > do a binary search and record the minimums. > I have done this exercise, but not for kernel relinking -- it was for doing full system rebuilds. Starting with 2.0/i386

Re: Should 80MB of RAM be enough for kernel relinking on i386?

2021-09-23 Thread Janne Johansson
Den tors 23 sep. 2021 kl 14:27 skrev Patrick Harper : > > If there will continue to be a minimum disk value then 600MB wouldn't > be nearly enough for swap, maybe 2GB for a whole disk? Could this handwaving please stop? If anyone wants, make a i386 VM and do a binary search and record the minimums

Re: Should 80MB of RAM be enough for kernel relinking on i386?

2021-09-23 Thread Patrick Harper
If there will continue to be a minimum disk value then 600MB wouldn't be nearly enough for swap, maybe 2GB for a whole disk? -- Patrick Harper paia...@fastmail.com On Thu, 23 Sep 2021, at 11:29, Zé Loff wrote: > IMHO, stating minimum disk space requirements might be useful for > determining

Re: Should 80MB of RAM be enough for kernel relinking on i386?

2021-09-23 Thread Zé Loff
On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 11:29:53AM +0100, Zé Loff wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 05:27:30PM +0100, Patrick Harper wrote: > > If the situation isn't going to change anytime soon then I have some > > diffs for INSTALL.i386 and INSTALL.amd64. The latter has not specified > > disk requirements, I g

Re: Should 80MB of RAM be enough for kernel relinking on i386?

2021-09-23 Thread Zé Loff
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 05:27:30PM +0100, Patrick Harper wrote: > If the situation isn't going to change anytime soon then I have some > diffs for INSTALL.i386 and INSTALL.amd64. The latter has not specified > disk requirements, I guess since anyone who owns an amd64 system will > very likely be

Re: Should 80MB of RAM be enough for kernel relinking on i386?

2021-09-22 Thread Patrick Harper
If the situation isn't going to change anytime soon then I have some diffs for INSTALL.i386 and INSTALL.amd64. The latter has not specified disk requirements, I guess since anyone who owns an amd64 system will very likely be using a disk big enough for X, so I figured that the same would apply