It is time.
ok deraadt
There is a man page change we've discussed which can also go in, after
that I expect jmc will get involved and change it a little.
Andrew and I have had another discussion about how the installer might
provide a way in the installer to create these files instead (no new
qu
On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 06:53:30PM -0800, Andrew Hewus Fresh wrote:
> How about this adjustment to the man page?
Reads fine, although it doesn't explain which file type wins.
>
> Index: share/man/man5/hostname.if.5
> ===
> RCS file:
How about this adjustment to the man page?
Index: share/man/man5/hostname.if.5
===
RCS file: /cvs/src/share/man/man5/hostname.if.5,v
retrieving revision 1.79
diff -u -p -r1.79 hostname.if.5
--- share/man/man5/hostname.if.526 J
On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 03:23:03PM -0800, Andrew Hewus Fresh wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 07:12:12PM +, Klemens Nanni wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 10:44:05AM -0800, Andrew Hewus Fresh wrote:
> > > I think this is the complete diff, with the man page bits mostly from
> > > Martijn. N
On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 07:12:12PM +, Klemens Nanni wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 10:44:05AM -0800, Andrew Hewus Fresh wrote:
> > I think this is the complete diff, with the man page bits mostly from
> > Martijn. Now that the ifconfig -M bits are in, this should be easier
> > to test. I w
On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 10:44:05AM -0800, Andrew Hewus Fresh wrote:
> I think this is the complete diff, with the man page bits mostly from
> Martijn. Now that the ifconfig -M bits are in, this should be easier
> to test. I was able to test the installer bits, and they worked for me.
This reads
I think this is the complete diff, with the man page bits mostly from
Martijn. Now that the ifconfig -M bits are in, this should be easier
to test. I was able to test the installer bits, and they worked for me.
Index: etc/netstart
Andrew spotted a potential issue with the short-circuit ordering, so
here is a newer diff.
Index: ifconfig.8
===
RCS file: /cvs/src/sbin/ifconfig/ifconfig.8,v
retrieving revision 1.385
diff -u -p -u -r1.385 ifconfig.8
--- ifconfig.8
I think this is the bits the installer needs. I might adjust
/etc/netstart to use this glob or this to use *:*, still thinking on it.
It's a bit simpler because I figured the installer could be quieter
so I could just return instead of printing errors first.
I haven't tested this yet. We'll see
Theo de Raadt wrote:
> Vitaliy Makkoveev wrote:
>
> > > On 24 Nov 2022, at 19:20, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> > >
> > >> I like to exclude pseudo devices. The pseudo device list is immutable,
> > >> so we need to get only once during /etc/netstart.
> > >
> > > Why do we need to excluse them?
> >
How about if ifconfig -M skips devices that are IFXF_CLONED?
That lookup might not be atomic (I don't think xflags is in the
ifaddrs list), but I don't think atomicity matters.
Then the hostname.MAC will always work on the underlying physical device.
Or is there another way to identify overlay
Vitaliy Makkoveev wrote:
> > On 24 Nov 2022, at 19:20, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> >
> >> I like to exclude pseudo devices. The pseudo device list is immutable,
> >> so we need to get only once during /etc/netstart.
> >
> > Why do we need to excluse them?
> >
> > The users will learn when to use t
> On 24 Nov 2022, at 19:20, Theo de Raadt wrote:
>
>> I like to exclude pseudo devices. The pseudo device list is immutable,
>> so we need to get only once during /etc/netstart.
>
> Why do we need to excluse them?
>
> The users will learn when to use this, and when not to.
>
So, I can't use h
> I like to exclude pseudo devices. The pseudo device list is immutable,
> so we need to get only once during /etc/netstart.
Why do we need to excluse them?
The users will learn when to use this, and when not to.
On Thu, Nov 24, 2022 at 01:34:30PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote:
> On 2022/11/24 14:36, Vitaliy Makkoveev wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 09:36:28PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> > > Theo de Raadt wrote:
> > >
> > > > > The other, that if both exist,
> > > > > /etc/hostname.$if will override
On 2022/11/24 14:36, Vitaliy Makkoveev wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 09:36:28PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> > Theo de Raadt wrote:
> >
> > > > The other, that if both exist,
> > > > /etc/hostname.$if will override /etc/hostname.$lladdr.
> > >
> > > We do need to decide which one is priority
On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 09:36:28PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> Theo de Raadt wrote:
>
> > > The other, that if both exist,
> > > /etc/hostname.$if will override /etc/hostname.$lladdr.
> >
> > We do need to decide which one is priority, and document that.
> >
> > I am still unsure which is bet
Theo de Raadt wrote:
> > The other, that if both exist,
> > /etc/hostname.$if will override /etc/hostname.$lladdr.
>
> We do need to decide which one is priority, and document that.
>
> I am still unsure which is better. (I've seen a lot of spurious comments
> from folk, so please think about
> The other, that if both exist,
> /etc/hostname.$if will override /etc/hostname.$lladdr.
We do need to decide which one is priority, and document that.
I am still unsure which is better. (I've seen a lot of spurious comments
from folk, so please think about realistic cases, and don't make stuff
On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 05:28:35PM -0800, Andrew Hewus Fresh wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 08:09:11AM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> > Florian Obser wrote:
> > > ifconfig(8) already knows about these (see -C option). Which made me
> > > think, it might be easier to just ask ifconfig(8).
>
> >
On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 08:09:11AM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> Florian Obser wrote:
> > ifconfig(8) already knows about these (see -C option). Which made me
> > think, it might be easier to just ask ifconfig(8).
>
> I've done it as -M
With `ifconfig -M $lladdr` support, and ignoring the check
On Tue, 2022-11-22 at 11:25 +0100, Claudio Jeker wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 09:25:08AM +, Stuart Henderson wrote:
> > Need to query (and set $if, which might be used in route commands etc) I
> > think.
> >
>
> I would prefer if people took a step back from configuring interfaces by
> M
On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 03:37:20PM +, Klemens Nanni wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 08:09:11AM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> > Florian Obser wrote:
> > > ifconfig(8) already knows about these (see -C option). Which made me
> > > think, it might be easier to just ask ifconfig(8).
> > >
> > >
On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 08:09:11AM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> Florian Obser wrote:
>
> > On 2022-11-22 18:06 +10, David Gwynne wrote:
> > >
> > > There are a few things to keep in mind if we're going to use lladdrs like
> > > this.
> > >
> > > vlan interfaces start with their lladdr as 00:00
Florian Obser wrote:
> On 2022-11-22 18:06 +10, David Gwynne wrote:
> >
> > There are a few things to keep in mind if we're going to use lladdrs like
> > this.
> >
> > vlan interfaces start with their lladdr as 00:00:00:00:00:00 and then
> > assume the lladdr of the parent interface when that
On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 06:28:31AM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> Vitaliy Makkoveev wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 11:25:55AM +0100, Claudio Jeker wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 09:25:08AM +, Stuart Henderson wrote:
> > > > Need to query (and set $if, which might be used in route c
Vitaliy Makkoveev wrote:
> As dlg@ pointed, we have collisions with clonable devices, which inherit
> lladdr or could generate already existing lladdr. We need to handle
> this, for example exclude clobable devices from hostname.lladdr logic.
Noone is proposing deleting the existing support for
Claudio Jeker wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 09:25:08AM +, Stuart Henderson wrote:
> > Need to query (and set $if, which might be used in route commands etc) I
> > think.
> >
>
> I would prefer if people took a step back from configuring interfaces by
> MAC address. It feels like a overl
Miod Vallat wrote:
> I'm a bit late to the thread, but whatever its outcome, things have to
> work correctly on older sparc64 hardware, where the default behaviour
> for on-board and Sun-branded expansion card interfaces is to use the
> same MAC address.
>
> This hints that hostname. should have
Vitaliy Makkoveev wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 11:25:55AM +0100, Claudio Jeker wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 09:25:08AM +, Stuart Henderson wrote:
> > > Need to query (and set $if, which might be used in route commands etc) I
> > > think.
> > >
> >
> > I would prefer if people too
Claudio Jeker wrote:
> Not all interfaces have MAC addresses. E.g. umb(4) would need a
> different identifier (most probably the IMEI). Some interfaces inherit
> the MAC address from an other interface (vlan, trunk).
Then don't use hostname.MAC for those interfaces.
The other mechanism will re
I'm a bit late to the thread, but whatever its outcome, things have to
work correctly on older sparc64 hardware, where the default behaviour
for on-board and Sun-branded expansion card interfaces is to use the
same MAC address.
This hints that hostname. should have priority over
hoshname. for the
On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 11:25:55AM +0100, Claudio Jeker wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 09:25:08AM +, Stuart Henderson wrote:
> > Need to query (and set $if, which might be used in route commands etc) I
> > think.
> >
>
> I would prefer if people took a step back from configuring interfaces
On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 09:25:08AM +, Stuart Henderson wrote:
> Need to query (and set $if, which might be used in route commands etc) I
> think.
>
I would prefer if people took a step back from configuring interfaces by
MAC address. It feels like a overly specific hack is introduced for
a c
Need to query (and set $if, which might be used in route commands etc) I think.
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On 22 November 2022 08:37:05 Florian Obser wrote:
On 2022-11-22 18:06 +10, David Gwynne wrote:
There are a few things to keep in mind if we're going to use
On 2022-11-22 18:06 +10, David Gwynne wrote:
>
> There are a few things to keep in mind if we're going to use lladdrs like
> this.
>
> vlan interfaces start with their lladdr as 00:00:00:00:00:00 and then assume
> the lladdr of the parent interface when that is configured.
>
> Clonable devices (
> On 22 Nov 2022, at 16:13, Andrew Hewus Fresh wrote:
>
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 04:56:07PM +0100, Martijn van Duren wrote:
>> On Sun, 2022-11-20 at 19:35 -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote:
>>> Steve Litt wrote:
>>>
Vitaliy Makkoveev said on Mon, 21 Nov 2022 03:48:21 +0300
>> On 20
On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 04:56:07PM +0100, Martijn van Duren wrote:
> On Sun, 2022-11-20 at 19:35 -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> > Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> > > Vitaliy Makkoveev said on Mon, 21 Nov 2022 03:48:21 +0300
> > >
> > > > > On 20 Nov 2022, at 18:06, Odd Martin Baanrud
> > > > > wrote:
>
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