[Texascavers] Re: tour cave question

2010-07-19 Thread Alex Sproul
I saw that Wyandotte Cave in Indiana was closed. ( I believe that is a state owned tour cave, as opposed to a privately owned one. ) Yes, the state owns Wyandotte, but it is operated by Gordon Smith, who also owns/operates nearby Marengo Cave, and Diamond Caverns in Kentucky. Wyandotte has

Re: [Texascavers] Princeton Tec

2010-07-19 Thread Alex Sproul
It's a bit of a sad comment on the PrincetonTecin general that so many cavers are knowledgeable about failed lights that need to be returned ! In defense of P-T, I would point out that cavers are knowledgeable about light problems because they are particularly adroit at *destroying* them by

RE: [Texascavers] Princeton Tec

2010-07-19 Thread Geary Schindel
I agree, I've abused my PT lights and they have lasted longer than any other light I've owned. They also have an excellent customer service program. Geary From: Alex Sproul [mailto:imoca...@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 8:40 AM To: jerryat...@aol.com Cc: Texascavers@texascavers.com

[Texascavers] book review: Blue Spring Cave

2010-07-19 Thread Mixon Bill
Blue Spring Cave. Larry E. Matthews and Bill Walter. National Speleological Society, Huntsville, Alabama; 2010. ISBN softbound 978-1-879961-36-4, hardbound 978-1-879961-37-1. 8.5 by 11 inches, 340 pages. Softbound $38 (NSS members $35), hardbound $55 (NSS members $50). Blue Spring Cave,

[Texascavers] FW: Fwd: Fw: KISS military salute - this will make you proud! ALSO A GREAT CAVING/WORKING WEEKEND.

2010-07-19 Thread Fritz Holt
This 5+ minute video may be the best thing you see on your monitor this week. It is a great tribute and morale builder for the young men and women who sacrifice to make our way of life, including caving, possible. It is not the patriotic same old, same old you are accustomed to seeing. Fritz

[Texascavers] Subterranean Living May Await Moon and Mars Colonists

2010-07-19 Thread Lee H. Skinner
Lava tube explorers are space pioneers! http://news.discovery.com/space/subterranean-living-may-await-moon-and-mars-colonists.html Lee Skinner - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail:

[Texascavers] Re: cave diving in Saudi Arabia

2010-07-19 Thread Mark Minton
Interesting that there did not seem to be a dive line in any of the underwater photos... Mark Minton At 04:32 PM 7/17/2010, Mixon Bill wrote: This from John Pint: Hello from Saudicaves! We have just received a 12-minute video of a visit to Ain Hit (Al- Heet, Ain Hith) cave, one of

Re: [PBSS] July meeting notes

2010-07-19 Thread Bill Bentley
All, I suggest that we (meaning the PBSS) set up a meeting with the NPS and have a agreement (Memorandum of Understanding) as to who does what and who gets credit for the work. This way the CRF won't be getting credit for the hours and hard work thet the PBSS is essentially doing on it's

Re: [PBSS] July meeting notes

2010-07-19 Thread Patrick Ray
I, also, am in favor of continuing rock hauls at Carlsbad, though I have only been fortunate enough to attend one.  I do it for the enjoyment, though it would be nice to know that the NPS appreciates our work enough to list us as a contributing body.  I would be interested in both trips

Re: [PBSS] July meeting notes

2010-07-19 Thread Kerry Lowery
I agree Bill and thanks to Patrick for his input to this matter. Looking ahead I will not be able to make the next meeting but would like to add something to the agenda. A cave trip, to say Ess Cave, Amazing Maze, 5 Mouth, or anything else relatively near. Set up an after caving meeting around

Re: [PBSS] July meeting notes

2010-07-19 Thread J. LaRue Thomas
Excellent ideas, all! Thanks, Kerry, especially since you are thinking while trying to pack for a cruise. It's quite possible that I will be in Wyoming around September 4th--still working out the details--but a congenial gathering soon sounds good. Have fun, Kerry! Jacqui - Original

[NMCAVER] Cavers as Vectors

2010-07-19 Thread Carl Pagano
I feel that there is a middle ground here. Yes, cavers could be vectors-or not. Yes, the fungus could be spread by bats, and or airborne. Funguses produce spores. In hospitals, certain diseases are spread by spores, hence, contact isolation-within a closed environment. Caves are not a

Re: [NMCAVER] Cavers as Vectors

2010-07-19 Thread Ken Harrington
Carl and others, While you and Fleming both make good points, none of us has any authority to make the decisions on closing the caves. Right now all the caves on Forest Service land in Region Two (Colorado, Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota and Kansas) are under a blanket closure and we

[Texascavers] Hamilton Pool related

2010-07-19 Thread David
This is post is most likely old news to the folks in Austin. But in the new movie Predators, there is a jungle scene where the humans are running from the aliens, and they fall and roll down a hill, and then off the cliff at Hamilton Pool in Austin, and then swim to shore.The 6 or so humans

Re: [Texascavers] Hamilton Pool related

2010-07-19 Thread Joe Ranzau
It's all about the Tax breaks! On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:07 AM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: This is post is most likely old news to the folks in Austin. But in the new movie Predators, there is a jungle scene where the humans are running from the aliens, and they fall and roll down

RE: [Texascavers] Hamilton Pool related

2010-07-19 Thread Stefan Creaser
I have some friends who worked on it. I can find out if you *really* want. -Original Message- From: Joe Ranzau [mailto:jran...@gmail.com] Sent: Mon 7/19/2010 10:09 AM To: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Hamilton Pool related It's all about the Tax breaks! On Mon, Jul 19, 2010

Re: [Texascavers] Hamilton Pool related

2010-07-19 Thread Matt Turner
it was mckinney falls state park  Matt Turner It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. - Aristotle Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts can do that.- Norman Vincent Peale

[NMCAVER] Fw: GA announces WNS plan

2010-07-19 Thread LEE STEVENS
FYI Cheers! Lee Stevens Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 4:00 PM Subject: GA announces WNS plan The Georgia Department of Natural Resources announced their WNS response plan. In summary their 27 page long plan dated June 29,2010 states DNR is urging cavers to reduce trips to Georgia caves and to

RE: [Texascavers] Stamps in a Cave

2010-07-19 Thread Geary Schindel
I'm not sure that these are caves as much as large complex limestone mines. The companies that own the mines rent the space out for storage for all kinds of things and if I remember correctly they also had a fairly large office complex as space was cheap. For storing critical documents, aging

Re: RE: [Texascavers] Stamps in a Cave

2010-07-19 Thread tbsamsel
Yeah. Kansas City has those limestone mines. Hardly caves. TJul 19, 2010 07:56:50 AM, gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org wrote: I'm not sure that these are caves as much as large complex limestone mines. The companies that own the mines rent the space out for storage for all kinds of things and if I

[Texascavers] Spectacular Spanish cave has most extensive collection of helictites ever found

2010-07-19 Thread Lee H. Skinner
Have they not heard of Caverns of Sonora? :-) See this story at: http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2010/07/06/f-el-soplao-cave-spain.html Lee Skinner - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: [Texascavers] Spectacular Spanish cave has most extensive collection of helictites ever found

2010-07-19 Thread mark gee
Its a nice cave but its not Sonora, they will have to come to Texas. I wont brag, I'll let them decide for themselves. See Caverns of Sonora! Happy Caving!! From: Lee H. Skinner skin...@thuntek.net To: Cave Diggers cavedigg...@yahoogroups.com; texascavers list

[Texascavers] Almagre, TAMS sat image

2010-07-19 Thread Albach
Was wondering if anybody had been to this area (nw of aldama / zacaton ). Most strange image from Google Maps at: 23.108505,-98.333669 - right side of road - looks like a pond from on high but zoom in shows very structure - was hoping somebody knew what it was. Thanks, -Robert

Re: [Texascavers] Almagre, TAMS sat image

2010-07-19 Thread Don Cooper
And here's another one - other side of the road. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qsource=s_qhl=engeocode=q=23.108505,-98.333669sll=30.221183,-97.733828sspn=0.01322,0.021865ie=UTF8ll=23.109544,-98.346815spn=0.001759,0.002733t=hz=19 Probably the remains of an ancient, now hidden, UFO base. -WaV On