Don't know. I heard rumors that the reason that Holy Sheep was open only to one
trip a year was because the geiger counter had registered either max, or close
to it. Paha Sapa Grotto in Wyoming would have a better idea, but I was hoping
that someone here, including Donald Davis, could give some
In all seriousness. If it were a meteor strike, or something did blow up,
within the last ? years, wouldn't it have registered as a seismic event? The
place for that is in Boulder CO, and they can pick up stuff from all over the
world. That's partially I think how they measure wether someone
I have a rope that is 12 years old also When new it was tested to about 7,200
pounds. It is a static line, always stored a cool low humidity place (my
garage), or in the house, hardly used, no caterpillaring, never wet. Is there a
place to get a piece of it tested? It is a 200 foot rope. Might
your exact rope here:
http://pmirope.com/professional/learn/product-resources/instructions/
Wm Shrewsbury
President, National Speleological Society
From: SWR [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Carl Pagano
Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 1:39 PM
To: Robert Wood
Cc: s...@caver.net
Subject
strength. That is 28% of the initial strength, not
zero!
I’ll leave it up to you to decide if you would trust your life on a rope with
a breaking strength of 2000 pounds.
Bob Buecher
From: Carl Pagano
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 11:34 AM
To: presid...@caves.org
Cc: s...@caver.net
How true. Didn't know I was SHOUTING with capitals. just used them to get your
attention and make a point… However, I will refrain from them in the future……As
for the emoticons they're cool….Maybe Fleming can find some with a hand
sticking out of his plane, saying cool, or even a banner behind
, and repeatable. Please
note #3 of the definition empirical.
Once again, please show that you have done this before you accuse anyone of
ranting and shooting off their mouth.
Finally; An apology might be in order.
Regards,
Carl Pagano, SWR Caver
Begin forwarded message:
From: Mike
To set the record straight: Bullying, or being bullied, according to
www.meriam-webster.com, is to treat abusively, to affect by means of coercion,
to use browbeating language or behavior.
Filing a FOIA request, or having one or 10,000 individuals send respectful e
mails from to one or more
, and proper scientific process are important-DUH
(sorry, couldn't resist).
Extrapolation of data based on subjective, rather than objective data, is not
valid, and never will be.
As Peter Jones said
Let the debate continue!!
Carl Pagano…...
Begin forwarded message:
From: Ken
Answer is plain and simple. The world is starting to de-dilate. Reference
Donald Davis's cave dilation theory.
On Sep 6, 2013, at 12:48 PM, Louise Power wrote:
I just read online that a sinkhole in Oklahoma swallowed a car--all
passengers OK. This one was due to a broken waterline. Do I
Cyanide?
On Jul 23, 2013, at 11:22 AM, dave belski wrote:
All,
Just to set the record straight, Ken Harrington, the rat who started all this
birthday stuff, celebrates his 69th on the 24 July. It would be fitting and
proper to wish him all the best. I plan to present him with a bottle
Cyanide?
On Jul 23, 2013, at 11:22 AM, dave belski wrote:
All,
Just to set the record straight, Ken Harrington, the rat who started all this
birthday stuff, celebrates his 69th on the 24 July. It would be fitting and
proper to wish him all the best. I plan to present him with a bottle
I use a passcard to travel. You can see the RFD chip embedded in it. It came
with a lead or aluminum lined sleeve. I was advised always to use this in my
wallet. You can't opt-out of that, but, for credit cards, at least for now, you
can with some. I returned a credit card and opted out of the
, or fire your own rifle, shotgun or
pistol. And maybe even to buy food or gasoline.
E ^v^ att
From: Carl Pagano
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 7:15 AM
To: dirt...@comcast.net
Cc: s...@caver.net
Subject: Re: [SWR] Passports
I use a passcard to travel. You can see the RFD chip embedded
Lee. I couldn't resist looking this up….Just trivia..But, sometime ago, we did
see the Northern Lights in New Mexico, the solar storm was that powerful….
Solar storm of 1859
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sunspots of September 1, 1859, as sketched by Richard Carrington A and B mark
the
I use a passcard to travel. You can see the RFD chip embedded in it. It came
with a lead or aluminum lined sleeve. I was advised always to use this in my
wallet. You can't opt-out of that, but, for credit cards, at least for now, you
can with some. I returned a credit card and opted out of the
, or fire your own rifle, shotgun or
pistol. And maybe even to buy food or gasoline.
E ^v^ att
From: Carl Pagano
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 7:15 AM
To: dirt...@comcast.net
Cc: s...@caver.net
Subject: Re: [SWR] Passports
I use a passcard to travel. You can see the RFD chip embedded
Lee. I couldn't resist looking this up….Just trivia..But, sometime ago, we did
see the Northern Lights in New Mexico, the solar storm was that powerful….
Solar storm of 1859
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sunspots of September 1, 1859, as sketched by Richard Carrington A and B mark
the
I use a passcard to travel. You can see the RFD chip embedded in it. It came
with a lead or aluminum lined sleeve. I was advised always to use this in my
wallet. You can't opt-out of that, but, for credit cards, at least for now, you
can with some. I returned a credit card and opted out of the
, or fire your own rifle, shotgun or
pistol. And maybe even to buy food or gasoline.
E ^v^ att
From: Carl Pagano
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 7:15 AM
To: dirt...@comcast.net
Cc: s...@caver.net
Subject: Re: [SWR] Passports
I use a passcard to travel. You can see the RFD chip embedded
Lee. I couldn't resist looking this up….Just trivia..But, sometime ago, we did
see the Northern Lights in New Mexico, the solar storm was that powerful….
Solar storm of 1859
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sunspots of September 1, 1859, as sketched by Richard Carrington A and B mark
the
.
So, if the writing isn't already on the wall..then you should let Carl
Pagano nominate you for something, (I hear he's good at that).
Lastly, work with your local BLM office. The BLM Pecos District is the hub of
NM caving. They want cavers caving!
Please spread this information
.
So, if the writing isn't already on the wall..then you should let Carl
Pagano nominate you for something, (I hear he's good at that).
Lastly, work with your local BLM office. The BLM Pecos District is the hub of
NM caving. They want cavers caving!
Please spread this information
.
So, if the writing isn't already on the wall..then you should let Carl
Pagano nominate you for something, (I hear he's good at that).
Lastly, work with your local BLM office. The BLM Pecos District is the hub of
NM caving. They want cavers caving!
Please spread this information
Personally, I think it's just a cover up for a greater conspiracy going on
there……..
On the other hand, it could just be a sinkhole or mine tunnel, and worth
looking into.
Has anyone from the SWR contacted these folks yet?
On Jul 21, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Steve Peerman wrote:
News to
Personally, I think it's just a cover up for a greater conspiracy going on
there……..
On the other hand, it could just be a sinkhole or mine tunnel, and worth
looking into.
Has anyone from the SWR contacted these folks yet?
On Jul 21, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Steve Peerman wrote:
News to
Personally, I think it's just a cover up for a greater conspiracy going on
there……..
On the other hand, it could just be a sinkhole or mine tunnel, and worth
looking into.
Has anyone from the SWR contacted these folks yet?
On Jul 21, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Steve Peerman wrote:
News to
Place a copy with the NSS. Have another copy transferred onto cloth, and sew it into the SWR banner, so it can be displayed at convention…….Carl…...Begin forwarded message:From: Stephen Fleming casto...@gmail.comSubject: [SWR] Fwd: ProclamationDate: June 1, 2012 10:15:21 AM MDTTo: NM Caver List
Place a copy with the NSS. Have another copy transferred onto cloth, and sew it into the SWR banner, so it can be displayed at convention…….Carl…...Begin forwarded message:From: Stephen Fleming casto...@gmail.comSubject: [SWR] Fwd: ProclamationDate: June 1, 2012 10:15:21 AM MDTTo: NM Caver List
Place a copy with the NSS. Have another copy transferred onto cloth, and sew it into the SWR banner, so it can be displayed at convention…….Carl…...Begin forwarded message:From: Stephen Fleming casto...@gmail.comSubject: [SWR] Fwd: ProclamationDate: June 1, 2012 10:15:21 AM MDTTo: NM Caver List
Hi.
Does anyone know if there are any caves near White Oaks, NM. Googled it, and it
is a semi-Ghost Town. Looks like a great place for a regional if there was
something to explore…..FYI the turn off for the town is just past the
intersection in Carrizozo going north….
Carl...
Hi.
Does anyone know if there are any caves near White Oaks, NM. Googled it, and it
is a semi-Ghost Town. Looks like a great place for a regional if there was
something to explore…..FYI the turn off for the town is just past the
intersection in Carrizozo going north….
Carl...
Hi.
Does anyone know if there are any caves near White Oaks, NM. Googled it, and it
is a semi-Ghost Town. Looks like a great place for a regional if there was
something to explore…..FYI the turn off for the town is just past the
intersection in Carrizozo going north….
Carl...
It is what I have been saying. There is NO scientific evidence that this is
human spread. That involves work, including a control, and test group. After a
conclusion has been reached, the experiment must be able to be repeated,
several times, with the same results to support the original
On Apr 13, 2012, at 2:58 PM, Carl Pagano wrote:
It is what I have been saying. There is NO scientific evidence that this is
human spread. That involves work, including a control, and test group. After
a conclusion has been reached, the experiment must be able to be repeated,
several times
It is what I have been saying. There is NO scientific evidence that this is
human spread. That involves work, including a control, and test group. After a
conclusion has been reached, the experiment must be able to be repeated,
several times, with the same results to support the original
On Apr 13, 2012, at 2:58 PM, Carl Pagano wrote:
It is what I have been saying. There is NO scientific evidence that this is
human spread. That involves work, including a control, and test group. After
a conclusion has been reached, the experiment must be able to be repeated,
several times
It is what I have been saying. There is NO scientific evidence that this is
human spread. That involves work, including a control, and test group. After a
conclusion has been reached, the experiment must be able to be repeated,
several times, with the same results to support the original
On Apr 13, 2012, at 2:58 PM, Carl Pagano wrote:
It is what I have been saying. There is NO scientific evidence that this is
human spread. That involves work, including a control, and test group. After
a conclusion has been reached, the experiment must be able to be repeated,
several times
I enlarged it….maybe the battery pack of an easter seal lamp on the guy in
the middle? Also the helmet on the woman in the front has a ridge on the top.
Looks old. Maybe Bob and Bob or other cave vendors can i.d. the helmet, and
give a better idea of how old the pic is….Carl…..
On
I enlarged it….maybe the battery pack of an easter seal lamp on the guy in
the middle? Also the helmet on the woman in the front has a ridge on the top.
Looks old. Maybe Bob and Bob or other cave vendors can i.d. the helmet, and
give a better idea of how old the pic is….Carl…..
On
I enlarged it….maybe the battery pack of an easter seal lamp on the guy in
the middle? Also the helmet on the woman in the front has a ridge on the top.
Looks old. Maybe Bob and Bob or other cave vendors can i.d. the helmet, and
give a better idea of how old the pic is….Carl…..
On
that there are also extemist armchair cavers who like
to rant for the sake of argument and rightously think they have something
intelligent to say. Carl Pagano does not speak for this scientist.
Dr. Robert. K. Grubbs Ph.D.
On Sat May 28th, 2011 9:25 AM MDT Carl Pagano wrote:
Hi Bill
that there are also extemist armchair cavers who like
to rant for the sake of argument and rightously think they have something
intelligent to say. Carl Pagano does not speak for this scientist.
Dr. Robert. K. Grubbs Ph.D.
On Sat May 28th, 2011 9:25 AM MDT Carl Pagano wrote:
Hi Bill
that there are also extemist armchair cavers who like
to rant for the sake of argument and rightously think they have something
intelligent to say. Carl Pagano does not speak for this scientist.
Dr. Robert. K. Grubbs Ph.D.
On Sat May 28th, 2011 9:25 AM MDT Carl Pagano wrote:
Hi Bill
To all:
Having read the petition: By the time the lawyers line up, litigation takes
place, etc. the disease will either have already spread to the west, or we'll
have learned correctly that this petition is one of extremism, and that the
spread of WNS cannot be stopped by the blanket closure of
.
If the statements presented above are wrong, then prove them wrong,
with valid, duplicated, supportive scientific data.
Carl Pagano.Caver, 20+years Hospital based Health Care
Professional, Albuquerque, New Mexico
On May 28, 2011, at 8:11 AM, Bill Ellis
To all:
Having read the petition: By the time the lawyers line up, litigation takes
place, etc. the disease will either have already spread to the west, or we'll
have learned correctly that this petition is one of extremism, and that the
spread of WNS cannot be stopped by the blanket closure of
.
If the statements presented above are wrong, then prove them wrong,
with valid, duplicated, supportive scientific data.
Carl Pagano.Caver, 20+years Hospital based Health Care
Professional, Albuquerque, New Mexico
On May 28, 2011, at 8:11 AM, Bill Ellis
To all:
Having read the petition: By the time the lawyers line up, litigation takes
place, etc. the disease will either have already spread to the west, or we'll
have learned correctly that this petition is one of extremism, and that the
spread of WNS cannot be stopped by the blanket closure of
.
If the statements presented above are wrong, then prove them wrong,
with valid, duplicated, supportive scientific data.
Carl Pagano.Caver, 20+years Hospital based Health Care
Professional, Albuquerque, New Mexico
On May 28, 2011, at 8:11 AM, Bill Ellis
..
Begin forwarded message:
From: Carl Pagano pagan...@comcast.net
Date: April 29, 2011 10:46:42 AM MDT
To: dhum...@blm.gov
Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures
I had suspected that. Years ago, I helped put in the bat gate.
All levity aside
Aaron.
Please clarify thisthey actually installed misters of 409 in the cave? This
doesn't seem probable. Does it get on people? There are a host of problems with
people being misted with 409. Also, if it really is true, what about the cave
biota in general? I guess there must be
..
Begin forwarded message:
From: Carl Pagano pagan...@comcast.net
Date: April 29, 2011 10:46:42 AM MDT
To: dhum...@blm.gov
Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures
I had suspected that. Years ago, I helped put in the bat gate.
All levity aside
Aaron.
Please clarify thisthey actually installed misters of 409 in the cave? This
doesn't seem probable. Does it get on people? There are a host of problems with
people being misted with 409. Also, if it really is true, what about the cave
biota in general? I guess there must be
..
Begin forwarded message:
From: Carl Pagano pagan...@comcast.net
Date: April 29, 2011 10:46:42 AM MDT
To: dhum...@blm.gov
Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures
I had suspected that. Years ago, I helped put in the bat gate.
All levity aside
I bet the world that they won't do it because of economic reasons. Can you
imagine the uproar in that southern New Mexico City if that happened? But,.
seriously, I am trying hard to think positive here, and am hoping for the most
altruistic of outcomes, that of bats vs. economics, if
I bet the world that they won't do it because of economic reasons. Can you
imagine the uproar in that southern New Mexico City if that happened? But,.
seriously, I am trying hard to think positive here, and am hoping for the most
altruistic of outcomes, that of bats vs. economics, if
Can sum this up very simply
Bureau of Land MISmanagement.
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Can sum this up very simply
Bureau of Land MISmanagement.
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Can sum this up very simply
Bureau of Land MISmanagement.
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Interesting that Carlsbad Caverns, home to how many tens of thousands of bats,
and visited by how many tens of thousands of people, MANY from states where WNS
is in full swing, is not closed. Ah, the real reason...it generates MONEYI
know that it is NPS, but what good is a knee jerk
This is the government. What does anyone expect?. If you look at the
quality of most elected officials it will be made quite clear. These
are not people that you would NOT invite for Christmas dinner..
There are four things that government does extremely well.. The
first is to
Donald has an excellent point.Perhaps the caves could be left
open, and people could be frisked for stowaway bats.TSA would be
thrilled at this..Carl
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Ray,
Iff'in th' reprter kaint raaght prop'r angleesh, then hown' we
supposd te unerstaind 'im? Y'all doin eh gud job, jes git th' reprter
t' raaght beater. Oh, an lusen up!!, th' lass laan wus gud fer a
howl,..y'allFahnley, e'vbody har sez hey Ray!.Carl
On Sep 19, 2010, at
Actually, the first part of the article states that it was a cave.
The last sentence reads that it was the site of a lava tube, thus
implying that it isn't there anymore. If so, then the graffiti isn't
real either, also implying that the author is delusional. An
extrapolation of this is
Looks great! but.must sleep 5 thin, fit, Chinese who must be
shorter in stature, OR, two 5'9 to 6 ft. 225+ lb. Americans with a
42 inch flat screen TV, microwave, beer cooler ( a must), two ATV's,
bicycles which are never used, an outdoor gas grill ( also a must) a
really big steel
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Martha! Hope we do this. Carl Pagano
On Jul 22, 2010, at 10:06 PM, mmcart1...@aol.com wrote:
You are welcome to camp at my house. Off frost, sandia Knolls...3
acres...hot tub...grill...bathrooms
Martha McArthur
505-350-9022 (cell)
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Carl Pagano
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Belski).
See you in a few weeks.
Carl Pagano
On May 17, 2010, at 9:42 PM, John Lyles wrote:
Be prepared! Learn a new pastime besides caving: something on the
surface, boating, knitting, skiing, hiking, backpacking, ham radio,
writing, traveling, cooking, drinking. Just think
Bat's song hits nature's highest note
This bat has the highest pitched call of any animal ever documented,
putting even the best human sopranos to shame.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36118466/ns/technology_and_science-
science/from/ET
This is an excellent article...Carl...
Does anyone know anything about this?
Carl.
Man dies after day trapped upside-down in cave
A man stuck upside-down in a cave for more than a day died early
Thursday, despite the efforts of dozens of rescuers, authorities said.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34157005/from/ET
Cavers,
I found this article last night on the web about Facebook. I am
strongly against putting ANY cave related info on Facebook, and this
is why. Please read this article and realize that ANY INFO posted,
apparently is fair game, no matter what the rules say. Facebook has
apologized
More on WNBS. Article found today msnbc.msn.com. Carl
Experts: Bat fungus causing wildlife threat
A mysterious fungus attacking America's bats could spread nationwide
within years and represents the most serious threat to wildlife in a
century, experts warned Congress Thursday.
Hi folks.
In order to alleviate the money shortage alluded to in the SWR, I
propose that at the Winter Tech this year we have an SWR auction.
Items could be anything, including that nasty gag gift you got at
your own grotto Christmas Party (anybody still got the talking fish
from the
Here's more on WNBS.
Carl...
Caves, ex-mines closed to help bats beat fungus
The U.S. Forest Service is closing thousands of caves and former
mines in national forests in 33 states in an effort to control a
fungus that has already killed an estimated 500,000 bats.
Hi.
I had to adjust my spam filter and want to make sure that I am still
getting NM Caver e mail.
Looking forward to the regional in March at Manhole.
Carl...
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This article mentions the Ice Caves in El Malpais. Good article.
Carl...
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