Re: [Texascavers] Devil's Sinkhole R.I.P.

2014-09-16 Thread Fritz Holt via Texascavers
Andy and Bill, Andy, you are correct in that due to liability exposure and those who disrespect the land and landowners, in most cases, "what was, ain't no mo." Fritz Holt fritz...@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 16, 2014, at 8:10 AM, Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers > wrote: > > Bill

Re: [Texascavers] Devil's Sinkhole R.I.P.

2014-09-16 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers
Bill, in case you didn't notice, landowner attitudes have changed dramatically since the 1950's. Rather than speculate, why don't you consider the access situation on other properties in the area and compare them to the gilded age of caving? Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks

Re: [Texascavers] Devil's Sinkhole R.I.P.

2014-09-13 Thread Fritz Holt via Texascavers
Yes, the sinkhole did just fine without management when owned by rancher brothers. They gave me and two buddies permission to enter it in the summer of 1955. We had an exciting trip exploring the cave after climbing down the existent 165 foot steel cable ladder which terminated about 15 feet dow

[Texascavers] Devil's Sinkhole R.I.P.

2014-09-12 Thread Mixon Bill via Texascavers
While Gluesenkamp won't remember it, Devil's Sinkhole did just fine without "management," which always seems to mean managing cavers. And access was open even to scientists, although that cuts no mustard with me. Scientists are not a privileged class of people, and their claim to a resource