Re: [Texascavers] Fw: [Mocaves] Man survives sinkhole in IL

Rather than a hole-in-one, this is a rare one-in-hole. Lowgun On 3/12/2013 5:14 PM, Bill Bentley wrote: - Original Message - *From:* Kathy. *To:* moca...@caver.net *Sent:* Tuesday, March 12, 2013 4:02 PM *Subject:* [Mocaves] Man survive

Re: [Texascavers] Fw: [Mocaves] Man survives sinkhole in IL

Rather than a hole-in-one, this is a rare one-in-hole. Lowgun On 3/12/2013 5:14 PM, Bill Bentley wrote: - Original Message - *From:* Kathy. *To:* moca...@caver.net *Sent:* Tuesday, March 12, 2013 4:02 PM *Subject:* [Mocaves] Man survive

Re: [Texascavers] Fw: [Mocaves] Man survives sinkhole in IL

Rather than a hole-in-one, this is a rare one-in-hole. Lowgun On 3/12/2013 5:14 PM, Bill Bentley wrote: - Original Message - *From:* Kathy. *To:* moca...@caver.net *Sent:* Tuesday, March 12, 2013 4:02 PM *Subject:* [Mocaves] Man survive

texascavers Digest 13 Mar 2013 01:35:01 -0000 Issue 1720

texascavers Digest 13 Mar 2013 01:35:01 - Issue 1720 Topics (messages 21410 through 21423): Re: Estimate of stalactite growth (Merkel et al. 2008) 21410 by: Brian Riordan 21411 by: Allan B. Cobb 21413 by: Allan B. Cobb 21414 by: Oztotl 21419 by: George

texascavers Digest 13 Mar 2013 01:35:01 -0000 Issue 1720

texascavers Digest 13 Mar 2013 01:35:01 - Issue 1720 Topics (messages 21410 through 21423): Re: Estimate of stalactite growth (Merkel et al. 2008) 21410 by: Brian Riordan 21411 by: Allan B. Cobb 21413 by: Allan B. Cobb 21414 by: Oztotl 21419 by: George

texascavers Digest 13 Mar 2013 01:35:01 -0000 Issue 1720

texascavers Digest 13 Mar 2013 01:35:01 - Issue 1720 Topics (messages 21410 through 21423): Re: Estimate of stalactite growth (Merkel et al. 2008) 21410 by: Brian Riordan 21411 by: Allan B. Cobb 21413 by: Allan B. Cobb 21414 by: Oztotl 21419 by: George

Re: [Texascavers] concrete stalactites

Before their destruction several years back the "Dallas North Central Caverns" had some pretty spectacular calcite formations. There are some "urban caving" sites in Fort Worth where I have observed soda straws growing where concrete structure butted up to other material (brickwork and iron pipe

Re: [Texascavers] concrete stalactites

Before their destruction several years back the "Dallas North Central Caverns" had some pretty spectacular calcite formations. There are some "urban caving" sites in Fort Worth where I have observed soda straws growing where concrete structure butted up to other material (brickwork and iron pipe

Re: [Texascavers] concrete stalactites

Before their destruction several years back the "Dallas North Central Caverns" had some pretty spectacular calcite formations. There are some "urban caving" sites in Fort Worth where I have observed soda straws growing where concrete structure butted up to other material (brickwork and iron pipe

RE: [Texascavers] [Spring Convention Meeting of TSA]

I will be there for this one. :) 713 805 6214 -Original Message- From: Oztotl [mailto:d...@oztotl.com] Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 4:53 PM To: TSA Cavers List Subject: [Texascavers] [Spring Convention Meeting of TSA] Please send agenda items to me soon. Also, PLEASE ATTEND. Who knows

RE: [Texascavers] [Spring Convention Meeting of TSA]

I will be there for this one. :) 713 805 6214 -Original Message- From: Oztotl [mailto:d...@oztotl.com] Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 4:53 PM To: TSA Cavers List Subject: [Texascavers] [Spring Convention Meeting of TSA] Please send agenda items to me soon. Also, PLEASE ATTEND. Who knows

RE: [Texascavers] [Spring Convention Meeting of TSA]

I will be there for this one. :) 713 805 6214 -Original Message- From: Oztotl [mailto:d...@oztotl.com] Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 4:53 PM To: TSA Cavers List Subject: [Texascavers] [Spring Convention Meeting of TSA] Please send agenda items to me soon. Also, PLEASE ATTEND. Who knows

[Texascavers] News from Bustamante

Philip Russell (Bill Russell's brother) just visited Bustamante. He spoke with Sr. Martín Rico, the superintendent of the Grutas de Palmito Park. Sr. Rico said that he would roll out the welcome mat for any cavers who wanted to come visit the cave. Sr. Rico can be contacted at the followin

[Texascavers] News from Bustamante

Philip Russell (Bill Russell's brother) just visited Bustamante. He spoke with Sr. Martín Rico, the superintendent of the Grutas de Palmito Park. Sr. Rico said that he would roll out the welcome mat for any cavers who wanted to come visit the cave. Sr. Rico can be contacted at the followin

[Texascavers] News from Bustamante

Philip Russell (Bill Russell's brother) just visited Bustamante. He spoke with Sr. Martín Rico, the superintendent of the Grutas de Palmito Park. Sr. Rico said that he would roll out the welcome mat for any cavers who wanted to come visit the cave. Sr. Rico can be contacted at the followin

Re: [Texascavers] concrete stalactites

Calc. the # of sec. in a year caused me to flash back to around 1975 when Ronnie Fiesler was a NSS Director and had recently returned from a board meeting in DC and reported to a TSA meeting at San Marcos that he had observed Tites and Mites under the stairs of the Washington Monument. What a p

Re: [Texascavers] concrete stalactites

Calc. the # of sec. in a year caused me to flash back to around 1975 when Ronnie Fiesler was a NSS Director and had recently returned from a board meeting in DC and reported to a TSA meeting at San Marcos that he had observed Tites and Mites under the stairs of the Washington Monument. What a p

Re: [Texascavers] concrete stalactites

Calc. the # of sec. in a year caused me to flash back to around 1975 when Ronnie Fiesler was a NSS Director and had recently returned from a board meeting in DC and reported to a TSA meeting at San Marcos that he had observed Tites and Mites under the stairs of the Washington Monument. What a p

RE: [Texascavers] Estimate of stalactite growth (Merkel et al. 2008)

The mostly amazingly rapid stal growth I've seen or heard of is at Grutas de Tolantongo in central Mexico. The water is highly mineralized, very warm, ranging from 36-40C, and it flows fast and hard from every crack in the cave. Every time I've been there, it looks a little different as new curt

RE: [Texascavers] Estimate of stalactite growth (Merkel et al. 2008)

The mostly amazingly rapid stal growth I've seen or heard of is at Grutas de Tolantongo in central Mexico. The water is highly mineralized, very warm, ranging from 36-40C, and it flows fast and hard from every crack in the cave. Every time I've been there, it looks a little different as new curt

RE: [Texascavers] Estimate of stalactite growth (Merkel et al. 2008)

The mostly amazingly rapid stal growth I've seen or heard of is at Grutas de Tolantongo in central Mexico. The water is highly mineralized, very warm, ranging from 36-40C, and it flows fast and hard from every crack in the cave. Every time I've been there, it looks a little different as new curt

RE: [Texascavers] concrete stalactites

When the Rice Grotto was exploring the "Caves of Houston," we found soda straws, draperies and a few other formations. Somewhere in the depths of my slide collections (you remember slides), I have pictures. When I finally retire, just like a lot of the other people I caved with I'm going to scan

RE: [Texascavers] concrete stalactites

When the Rice Grotto was exploring the "Caves of Houston," we found soda straws, draperies and a few other formations. Somewhere in the depths of my slide collections (you remember slides), I have pictures. When I finally retire, just like a lot of the other people I caved with I'm going to scan

RE: [Texascavers] concrete stalactites

When the Rice Grotto was exploring the "Caves of Houston," we found soda straws, draperies and a few other formations. Somewhere in the depths of my slide collections (you remember slides), I have pictures. When I finally retire, just like a lot of the other people I caved with I'm going to scan

RE: [Texascavers] Fw: [Mocaves] Man survives sinkhole in IL

There is a similar post on CNN web page where Phillip Moss, NSS caver and karst hydrogeologist gets some good press. Geary From: Bill Bentley [mailto:ca...@caver.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 5:15 PM To: Texascavers Mailing List Cc: s...@caver.net; PBSS Mailing List Subject: [Texascavers] F

RE: [Texascavers] Fw: [Mocaves] Man survives sinkhole in IL

There is a similar post on CNN web page where Phillip Moss, NSS caver and karst hydrogeologist gets some good press. Geary From: Bill Bentley [mailto:ca...@caver.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 5:15 PM To: Texascavers Mailing List Cc: s...@caver.net; PBSS Mailing List Subject: [Texascavers] F

RE: [Texascavers] Fw: [Mocaves] Man survives sinkhole in IL

There is a similar post on CNN web page where Phillip Moss, NSS caver and karst hydrogeologist gets some good press. Geary From: Bill Bentley [mailto:ca...@caver.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 5:15 PM To: Texascavers Mailing List Cc: s...@caver.net; PBSS Mailing List Subject: [Texascavers] F

[SWR] Fw: [Mocaves] Man survives sinkhole in IL

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[SWR] Fw: [Mocaves] Man survives sinkhole in IL

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[SWR] Fw: [Mocaves] Man survives sinkhole in IL

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[Texascavers] concrete stalactites

The chemistry of stalactite growth on the bottom of concrete ceilings is different from the chemistry of stalactites in limestone caves. But yes, they do look similar, although under concrete I've never heard of more than just soda-straw size things or thin films. I suspect the process ther

[Texascavers] concrete stalactites

The chemistry of stalactite growth on the bottom of concrete ceilings is different from the chemistry of stalactites in limestone caves. But yes, they do look similar, although under concrete I've never heard of more than just soda-straw size things or thin films. I suspect the process ther

[Texascavers] concrete stalactites

The chemistry of stalactite growth on the bottom of concrete ceilings is different from the chemistry of stalactites in limestone caves. But yes, they do look similar, although under concrete I've never heard of more than just soda-straw size things or thin films. I suspect the process ther

Re: [Texascavers] Estimate of stalactite growth (Merkel et al. 2008)

>> Don't forget those vessels completely encompassed by formations to the point >> they were really no longer visible in the column, except where looters >> hammered away to expose them. >> >> Sent cellularly. >> -Don >> >> On Mar 12, 2013, at 2:25 PM, "Allan B. Cobb" wrote: >> >>> In Guatem

Re: [Texascavers] Estimate of stalactite growth (Merkel et al. 2008)

>> Don't forget those vessels completely encompassed by formations to the point >> they were really no longer visible in the column, except where looters >> hammered away to expose them. >> >> Sent cellularly. >> -Don >> >> On Mar 12, 2013, at 2:25 PM, "Allan B. Cobb" wrote: >> >>> In Guatem

Re: [Texascavers] Estimate of stalactite growth (Merkel et al. 2008)

>> Don't forget those vessels completely encompassed by formations to the point >> they were really no longer visible in the column, except where looters >> hammered away to expose them. >> >> Sent cellularly. >> -Don >> >> On Mar 12, 2013, at 2:25 PM, "Allan B. Cobb" wrote: >> >>> In Guatem

Re: [Texascavers] Estimate of stalactite growth (Merkel et al. 2008)

You are correct Don, I thought about those as soon as I hit send. Maya vessels about 40 cm in diameter completely encased in columns about a meter wide at the base and more than 2 meters tall. There were three of them (that we could see) in the cave. Allan From: Don Arburn Sent: Tuesday, Mar

Re: [Texascavers] Estimate of stalactite growth (Merkel et al. 2008)

You are correct Don, I thought about those as soon as I hit send. Maya vessels about 40 cm in diameter completely encased in columns about a meter wide at the base and more than 2 meters tall. There were three of them (that we could see) in the cave. Allan From: Don Arburn Sent: Tuesday, Mar

Re: [Texascavers] Estimate of stalactite growth (Merkel et al. 2008)

You are correct Don, I thought about those as soon as I hit send. Maya vessels about 40 cm in diameter completely encased in columns about a meter wide at the base and more than 2 meters tall. There were three of them (that we could see) in the cave. Allan From: Don Arburn Sent: Tuesday, Mar

[Texascavers] NaturFest Report # 3

2:00 a.m. Sunday March 10th, about 8 kids still watching DVD movies in the camp lodge. This was supposed to be a theatre like program, but all the equipment purchased never left the storage building. It rained hard from 3 a.m. to 6 a.m. but the other 23 campers were dry under a shelter. I never

[Texascavers] NaturFest Report # 3

2:00 a.m. Sunday March 10th, about 8 kids still watching DVD movies in the camp lodge. This was supposed to be a theatre like program, but all the equipment purchased never left the storage building. It rained hard from 3 a.m. to 6 a.m. but the other 23 campers were dry under a shelter. I never

[Texascavers] NaturFest Report # 3

2:00 a.m. Sunday March 10th, about 8 kids still watching DVD movies in the camp lodge. This was supposed to be a theatre like program, but all the equipment purchased never left the storage building. It rained hard from 3 a.m. to 6 a.m. but the other 23 campers were dry under a shelter. I never

Re: [Texascavers] Estimate of stalactite growth (Merkel et al. 2008)

In Guatemala, I have seen calcite almost completely covering flagging tape that we left surveying the year before. I have seen stalagmites about 50 cm tall growing out of Maya vessels that are a little more than a thousand years old. I have seen photos of one almost a meter high growing out of a

Re: [Texascavers] Estimate of stalactite growth (Merkel et al. 2008)

In Guatemala, I have seen calcite almost completely covering flagging tape that we left surveying the year before. I have seen stalagmites about 50 cm tall growing out of Maya vessels that are a little more than a thousand years old. I have seen photos of one almost a meter high growing out of a

Re: [Texascavers] Estimate of stalactite growth (Merkel et al. 2008)

In Guatemala, I have seen calcite almost completely covering flagging tape that we left surveying the year before. I have seen stalagmites about 50 cm tall growing out of Maya vessels that are a little more than a thousand years old. I have seen photos of one almost a meter high growing out of a

[SWR] Todd Roberts

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[SWR] Todd Roberts

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Re: [Texascavers] Estimate of stalactite growth (Merkel et al. 2008)

This last summer I crawled through the bowels of an abandoned WWII army fort out in Resurrection Bay Alaska (abandonned 1944). The roof was covered with soda staws along cracks in the ceiling, some 3-4 inches long. Important to note that soda straw growth is only possible during the summer as wint

Re: [Texascavers] Estimate of stalactite growth (Merkel et al. 2008)

This last summer I crawled through the bowels of an abandoned WWII army fort out in Resurrection Bay Alaska (abandonned 1944). The roof was covered with soda staws along cracks in the ceiling, some 3-4 inches long. Important to note that soda straw growth is only possible during the summer as wint

Re: [Texascavers] Estimate of stalactite growth (Merkel et al. 2008)

This last summer I crawled through the bowels of an abandoned WWII army fort out in Resurrection Bay Alaska (abandonned 1944). The roof was covered with soda staws along cracks in the ceiling, some 3-4 inches long. Important to note that soda straw growth is only possible during the summer as wint

texascavers Digest 12 Mar 2013 16:34:00 -0000 Issue 1719

texascavers Digest 12 Mar 2013 16:34:00 - Issue 1719 Topics (messages 21399 through 21409): 16th ICS Shirts and Caps - Final call 21399 by: Michael Cicherski Re: Caving Group Wanted 21400 by: Bill Bentley [Floor Painting @ D&P Next Weekend] 21401 by: Oztotl [Spring

texascavers Digest 12 Mar 2013 16:34:00 -0000 Issue 1719

texascavers Digest 12 Mar 2013 16:34:00 - Issue 1719 Topics (messages 21399 through 21409): 16th ICS Shirts and Caps - Final call 21399 by: Michael Cicherski Re: Caving Group Wanted 21400 by: Bill Bentley [Floor Painting @ D&P Next Weekend] 21401 by: Oztotl [Spring

texascavers Digest 12 Mar 2013 16:34:00 -0000 Issue 1719

texascavers Digest 12 Mar 2013 16:34:00 - Issue 1719 Topics (messages 21399 through 21409): 16th ICS Shirts and Caps - Final call 21399 by: Michael Cicherski Re: Caving Group Wanted 21400 by: Bill Bentley [Floor Painting @ D&P Next Weekend] 21401 by: Oztotl [Spring

[Texascavers] Estimate of stalactite growth (Merkel et al. 2008)

This morning I read a geochemistry text on carbonate mineralization that gave an example of how much stalactites might grow in one year: 0.19 mm/year. It's a recent book (Merkel et al. Groundwater Geochemistry 2008). Assumptions: partial pressure CO2 of 3% (charged up from soils) degassing to 0.03%

[Texascavers] Estimate of stalactite growth (Merkel et al. 2008)

This morning I read a geochemistry text on carbonate mineralization that gave an example of how much stalactites might grow in one year: 0.19 mm/year. It's a recent book (Merkel et al. Groundwater Geochemistry 2008). Assumptions: partial pressure CO2 of 3% (charged up from soils) degassing to 0.03%

[Texascavers] Estimate of stalactite growth (Merkel et al. 2008)

This morning I read a geochemistry text on carbonate mineralization that gave an example of how much stalactites might grow in one year: 0.19 mm/year. It's a recent book (Merkel et al. Groundwater Geochemistry 2008). Assumptions: partial pressure CO2 of 3% (charged up from soils) degassing to 0.03%