[Texascavers] a blog update

[David]

>From David Locklear

http://david-locklear.blogspot.com/2018/07/summer-road-trip-2018.html?m=1

I might start putting out a call for donations if I make it to Denver.
Seems awfully unlikely, I will make it even to Kansas City.
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[Texascavers] Name that cave

[Katherine Arens]

We have three mystery maps at the Texas Speleological Survey office — two 
probably from the same hand. The other one might be revealed by the names.  We 
really have no idea  . . . . sigh.

Any ideas?   https://texasspeleologicalsurvey.org/test/quiz.html  The two in 
pencil look good expanded.  Your party game for Convention Week.

thanks!
katie arens

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University of Texas at Austin Office:  Burdine 320
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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] NSS Publication / scam?

[Linda Starr]

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2018, at 12:14 AM, Linda Starr  wrote:
> 
> Thank you, Diana. The NSS did give you all notice. Read your NSS News. Be a 
> little more tolerant and teach tolerance except of people who are not 
> tolerant of immigrants (you are one), children who can’t read or write and 
> those who pollute and misuse natural resources.
> Linda Starr
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 19, 2018, at 4:06 PM, Charles Goldsmith  wrote:
>> 
>> Diana, current members update this yearly when they renew, or if they renew 
>> multiple years, then when it expires.  If someone chose to let their 
>> membership lapse, then this is unsolicited contact.
>> 
>> I understand the reason for this, but it was not handled properly, in my 
>> opinion and I certainly didn't opt in for any phone calls at any time.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 5:52 PM Diana Tomchick 
>>>  wrote:
>>> ​Hi,
>>> 
>>> The NSS, like lots of volunteer organizations, needs to know who are the 
>>> people that are interested in receiving information from the organization. 
>>> Since many people change email addresses and phone numbers, after a few 
>>> years, the database is no longer current. This is an effective way to 
>>> update the database by a professional company. It's impractical to ask a 
>>> group of volunteer cavers to contact ~10,000 people to ask them about their 
>>> personal information--and imagine how upset y'all would be if you knew it 
>>> was just some random volunteer cavers trying to collect this information.
>>> 
>>> Why does the NSS need this information? As with most organizations these 
>>> days, the membership numbers are decreasing. In order for the NSS to stay 
>>> relevant to their current members and to encourage people to renew their 
>>> memberships, they need to be able to provide information to them. 
>>> 
>>> I would hope that as the fine cavers you all are in the Southwest Region of 
>>> the NSS, that you would not want to deny the NSS the opportunity to 
>>> interact with you in the future.
>>> 
>>> Diana
>>> 
>>> **
>>> Diana R. Tomchick
>>> Professor
>>> Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
>>> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
>>> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
>>> Rm. ND10.214A
>>> Dallas, TX 75390-8816
>>> diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
>>> (214) 645-6383 (phone)
>>> (214) 645-6353 (fax)
>>>  
>>> From: Texascavers  on behalf of 
>>> Michael Gibbons <6453...@gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 5:24 PM
>>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
>>> Cc: Steve Peerman; SWR Cavers Group; Sandia Grotto; Allen Wright; Lee 
>>> Skinner
>>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] NSS Publication / scam?
>>>  
>>> I phoned in. I authorized use of name, phone number and email.
>>> Asked if I wanted a directory, I said no. It wasn't a hard sell and they 
>>> weren't after ant information that I seem sensitive.
>>> I think it's innocuous and that they are doing just what they were hired to 
>>> do. Compile a directory and nothing more. 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Thu, Jul 19, 2018, 5:16 PM Stephen Fleming  wrote:
 "Do not call' doesn't apply, since the contractor presumably is not the 
 one making the calls. 
 
 However, regarding the list, there is an exemption for non-profits. But, 
 while the contractor is working for a non-profit, the company itself is a 
 for-profit entity. It would be an interesting question whether they would 
 get a pass due to the NSS overhead. 
 
 Unsolicited emails pretty much follow the same scheme.
 
 Also, calls/emails are not prohibited for 'customers' who have a business 
 relationship with the caller, something we all have by virtue of our 
 membership.
 
 Less clear would be whether lapsed members could be called/emailed without 
 violating restrictions. I think a case could be made that a lapsed member 
 no longer has any relationship to the organization despite how desperately 
 the NSS might want them back.
 
 Regardless of the above (and the inapplicability of do not call/email in 
 this instance) it doesn't mean the NSS can do anything it wants with the 
 private information gleaned from our member status. 
 
 As events continue to repeatedly demonstrate, not only is direct hacking 
 of PII databases a growing problem, but also misuse of data released to 
 outside entities. You would think they'd notice the problems Facebook is 
 in with poor handling of PII (for which FB also had assurances of 
 integrity control...that didn't work out so well for them).
 
 The NSS has assured everyone the data is secure, but there's no way to 
 ensure that. 
 
 I wonder if the NSS can afford (or even has contemplated the issue/risk) 
 to buy everyone identity theft protection if the data escapes the 
 controls? I wonder if the contractor agreement included a requirement they