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> On Jul 23, 2018, at 12:14 AM, Linda Starr <lstarr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thank you, Diana. The NSS did give you all notice. Read your NSS News. Be a > little more tolerant and teach tolerance except of people who are not > tolerant of immigrants (you are one), children who can’t read or write and > those who pollute and misuse natural resources. > Linda Starr > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 19, 2018, at 4:06 PM, Charles Goldsmith <wo...@justfamily.org> wrote: >> >> Diana, current members update this yearly when they renew, or if they renew >> multiple years, then when it expires. If someone chose to let their >> membership lapse, then this is unsolicited contact. >> >> I understand the reason for this, but it was not handled properly, in my >> opinion and I certainly didn't opt in for any phone calls at any time. >> >> >>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 5:52 PM Diana Tomchick >>> <diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> The NSS, like lots of volunteer organizations, needs to know who are the >>> people that are interested in receiving information from the organization. >>> Since many people change email addresses and phone numbers, after a few >>> years, the database is no longer current. This is an effective way to >>> update the database by a professional company. It's impractical to ask a >>> group of volunteer cavers to contact ~10,000 people to ask them about their >>> personal information--and imagine how upset y'all would be if you knew it >>> was just some random volunteer cavers trying to collect this information. >>> >>> Why does the NSS need this information? As with most organizations these >>> days, the membership numbers are decreasing. In order for the NSS to stay >>> relevant to their current members and to encourage people to renew their >>> memberships, they need to be able to provide information to them. >>> >>> I would hope that as the fine cavers you all are in the Southwest Region of >>> the NSS, that you would not want to deny the NSS the opportunity to >>> interact with you in the future. >>> >>> Diana >>> >>> ************************************************** >>> Diana R. Tomchick >>> Professor >>> Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry >>> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center >>> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. >>> Rm. ND10.214A >>> Dallas, TX 75390-8816 >>> diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu >>> (214) 645-6383 (phone) >>> (214) 645-6353 (fax) >>> >>> From: Texascavers <texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com> on behalf of >>> Michael Gibbons <6453...@gmail.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 5:24 PM >>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com >>> Cc: Steve Peerman; SWR Cavers Group; Sandia Grotto; Allen Wright; Lee >>> Skinner >>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] NSS Publication / scam? >>> >>> I phoned in. I authorized use of name, phone number and email. >>> Asked if I wanted a directory, I said no. It wasn't a hard sell and they >>> weren't after ant information that I seem sensitive. >>> I think it's innocuous and that they are doing just what they were hired to >>> do. Compile a directory and nothing more. >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018, 5:16 PM Stephen Fleming <casto...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> "Do not call' doesn't apply, since the contractor presumably is not the >>>> one making the calls. >>>> >>>> However, regarding the list, there is an exemption for non-profits. But, >>>> while the contractor is working for a non-profit, the company itself is a >>>> for-profit entity. It would be an interesting question whether they would >>>> get a pass due to the NSS overhead. >>>> >>>> Unsolicited emails pretty much follow the same scheme. >>>> >>>> Also, calls/emails are not prohibited for 'customers' who have a business >>>> relationship with the caller, something we all have by virtue of our >>>> membership. >>>> >>>> Less clear would be whether lapsed members could be called/emailed without >>>> violating restrictions. I think a case could be made that a lapsed member >>>> no longer has any relationship to the organization despite how desperately >>>> the NSS might want them back. >>>> >>>> Regardless of the above (and the inapplicability of do not call/email in >>>> this instance) it doesn't mean the NSS can do anything it wants with the >>>> private information gleaned from our member status. >>>> >>>> As events continue to repeatedly demonstrate, not only is direct hacking >>>> of PII databases a growing problem, but also misuse of data released to >>>> outside entities. You would think they'd notice the problems Facebook is >>>> in with poor handling of PII (for which FB also had assurances of >>>> integrity control...that didn't work out so well for them). >>>> >>>> The NSS has assured everyone the data is secure, but there's no way to >>>> ensure that. >>>> >>>> I wonder if the NSS can afford (or even has contemplated the issue/risk) >>>> to buy everyone identity theft protection if the data escapes the >>>> controls? I wonder if the contractor agreement included a requirement they >>>> would bear that expense in a data breach. If such an event is on the NSS, >>>> that would cost vastly more money and members than anything they ever >>>> could gain from this exercise. >>>> >>>> Stephen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 7/19/2018 15:36, Charles Goldsmith wrote: >>>>> I agree, this was not handled very well at all. Since we did not agree >>>>> to this, how does this fall under the Do-Not-Call registry, from the >>>>> FCC's perspective? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 4:04 PM Stephen Fleming <casto...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> It is a marketing thing authorized by the NSS. >>>>>> >>>>>> The NSS says it is costing the organization no money and the contractor >>>>>> funds the effort from sales of the rather pricey merchandise. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, the NSS will get a cut of proceeds: "This is NOT a significant >>>>>> fund raiser for NSS, thought [sic] we do get a small commission on >>>>>> sales." >>>>>> >>>>>> The percentage of return is not stated, and the postcard is disingenuous >>>>>> in not revealing this financial arrangement. You have to search the NSS >>>>>> website to find that tidbit. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regardless, I won't be calling or participating; the NSS knows how to >>>>>> contact me and they already have everything they need to know. >>>>>> >>>>>> Allen's listing of the questions asked goes way beyond basic caver info >>>>>> and seeks information the NSS has no business collecting. >>>>>> >>>>>> I put this thing in the same category as telemarketers. Unwelcome and >>>>>> not tolerated. >>>>>> >>>>>> I did not opt-in for the NSS to release my contact information, even to >>>>>> a contractor, for such a use. The fact that I can decide not to >>>>>> participate pales beside the NSS misusing my personal data. >>>>>> >>>>>> Stephen >>>>>> 13727 RL FE >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7/19/2018 14:25, Steve Peerman wrote: >>>>>>> Allen, >>>>>>> It’s not a scam, but you are under no obligation to buy the product >>>>>>> that they are making. It is supposed to be an NSS directory of all NSS >>>>>>> members past and present. I submitted my information, but I didn’t buy >>>>>>> the book. It seems rather pricey to me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 2018, at 2:22 PM, Allen <siz...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hey all, >>>>>>>> Just received a postcard from some publishing company about the NSS >>>>>>>> members manual. Anyone else receive one? Its a yellow postcard with >>>>>>>> the NSS logo on it. It has a title of "Verification of caver data" in >>>>>>>> all caps, and a Po Box in Dallas Tx. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I called the number on the card and the phone operator started asking >>>>>>>> some odd questions about place of employment, phone numbers, email, >>>>>>>> marital status, name of spouse, name of kids, grotto affiliation. >>>>>>>> Then at the end they want you to send them a color picture of >>>>>>>> yourself, a bill would then be sent out for two payments of $50 for >>>>>>>> the hard bound book. Or because I am a member, would bundle a >>>>>>>> sweatshirt, and book bag, and a digital copy, for two payments of >>>>>>>> $75... I didn't provide much info, but started questioning it by the >>>>>>>> end. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anyone know anything about this? Is it a scam? Is the NSS >>>>>>>> publishing the members manual in hardback? >>>>>>>> Allen >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Virus-free. www.avg.com >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Southwestern Cavers of the National Speleological Society" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to swrcavers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to swrcav...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/swrcavers. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/swrcavers/d8131c59-3d47-b457-e99e-faef8239cc70%40gmail.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >>>> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >>>> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >>> >>> >>> UT Southwestern >>> >>> Medical Center >>> >>> The future of medicine, today. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Southwestern Cavers of the National Speleological Society" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to swrcavers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to swrcav...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/swrcavers. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/swrcavers/1532040730105.37708%40UTSouthwestern.edu. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Southwestern Cavers of the National Speleological Society" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to swrcavers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to swrcav...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/swrcavers. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/swrcavers/CAGm7T%2BDbKknGYy5ScHi4Hwd40Cc1NN4V09U7--7TDc4KY71-iA%40mail.gmail.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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