This is a reminder that the Government Canyon Karst Project is happening
this weekend on Nov. 6, Sunday only. Any out-of-towners coming to help out
with the Robber Baron Open House on Saturday are more than welcome to put in
a few hours on the project Sunday morning, or for as long as they care to
I hope Moni knows about David !
_
From: David Locklear [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 1:50 PM
To: CaveTex
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: tourist capacity
Since tourist have to stay on the trail, you first have to calculate the
area in square meters of the ent
Cave Mappers:
I will be coordinating the map salon at the spring convention again this
year. The convention is just over 4 weeks away so get your maps ready and
bring them along. Maps will be displayed in a building on site. Find out
where it is on Saturday morning and drop off your maps or hand
All right. I give up. All those great Colorado Bend project reports make me
realize I've got to do the same thing.
We had two teams at Government Canyon on November 10.
I led Rick Corbell, Christin Miller, Sierra Ostrov, and Petra Ostrov to Big
Dome Cave to continue the survey. We concentrated
The karst project at Government Canyon State Natural Area will take place
next weekend, Feb. 1, but this will be a Saturday only trip, and not on
Saturday and Sunday, as originally scheduled.
Marvin Miller
December and January Government Canyon Karst Project trip reports:
December 7, 2013
Participants: Christin Miller, Marvin Miller, Angela Young, John Young
We headed up the trail on this cold morning, happy that the objective was to
survey and explore the warm interior spaces of Big Dome C
M 1/27/2014, Marvin and Lisa wrote:
John, Angela, and I tag-teamed on the climb. John started and then I made it
to the top on the north end, finding no leads. John traversed from the north
end of the dome to the south end and set a bolt just below the narrow
channel on that side. Angela then climb
February Government Canyon Karst Project Trip Report:
February 1
Participants: Gloria Banasco, Scott Gantz, Steve Gutting, Marvin Miller,
Petra Ostrov, Sarah Ostrov, Richard Purzer, Nicholas Scalercio, Vince
Scalercio, Joe Schaertl
Steve Gutting led Joe Schaertl and first-time caver, Scott Ga
The Texas Caver won a merit award at the convention?
Congratulations to Jill.
The karst survey project at Government Canyon State Natural Area will resume
on the first weekend of October - Oct. 5 and 6. Activities will take place
on both days. Free, private camping is available. Contact me to set it up.
The Government Canyon Karst Survey is a joint TSA/TPWD project with th
I have nothing but respect for someone who has the mental and physical
fortitude to do something like that.
Marvin
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From: Logan McNatt [mailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 5:42 PM
To: Frank Binney
Cc: Texas Cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Solo caving in Ca
The November Government Canyon Karst Project will not be held on the first
weekend of the month as is usual. Instead the project date will be Sunday,
Nov. 10. This will be a Sunday only project. Camping is available for
Saturday and Sunday night. Contact me to arrange that, or with any other
projec
I hope Moni knows about David !
_
From: David Locklear [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 1:50 PM
To: CaveTex
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: tourist capacity
Since tourist have to stay on the trail, you first have to calculate the
area in square meters of the ent
Cave Mappers:
I will be coordinating the map salon at the spring convention again this
year. The convention is just over 4 weeks away so get your maps ready and
bring them along. Maps will be displayed in a building on site. Find out
where it is on Saturday morning and drop off your maps or hand
There will be no project at Government Canyon SNA in the month of April. I
will be at the spring convention on the first weekend of the month, tending
the map salon and giving an update to the project as one of the
presentations. Hope to see everyone there.
The next trip will take place on the 2n
On the front cover of the Express News today:
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/environment/article/Rare-cave-to-be-sealed-
4375275.php
Coming up May 11th will be the next karst project trip to Government Canyon
SNA in San Antonio. There will be no project activities on Sunday. Please
note the schedule change. The project was previously posted as running both
days. Camping is still available Friday and Saturday nights. Contact me f
This is just a reminder that the next Government Canyon project weekend is
November 3rd and 4th.
We will meet the Volunteer/Research Station at 9:00 both mornings.
When you enter the park, take the first right. Go through a closed gate and
drive ~1 mile to the Volunteer/Research Station.
Co
5/69:
Another interesting thing about this passage - which we are calling "Highway
69" - is that there was some significant blasting done to access a part of
the passage. The "5/69" inscription was written on a piece of blast shard.
Ryan discovered it sitting on a shelf in an alcove above the main
The next Government Canyon Karst Survey Project trip will take place on the
first weekend of January. Activities will take place on both Saturday and
Sunday. Camping is available. Contact me to set it up.
We will meet at 9:00 both mornings at the Volunteer/Research Station. Take
the first right a
There is an article on caving in today's San Antonio Express News. Here is
the online version:
http://blog.mysanantonio.com/racksnreels/2012/12/27/exploring-underground-wo
nders-caves-hold-mysteries-knowledge/
Marvin Miller
I have heard some good things about Sanyo's Eneloops. They are supposed to
hold their charge for a long time and Sanyo claims they can be recharged
1500 times. I've started using them but haven't had enough experience to
definitely qualify them. Whatever you do, don't waste money on Energizer or
Du
The Government Canyon Karst Survey Project will be starting up again on the
first full weekend of October, Oct. 6 and 7.
First weekends seem to work pretty good so until further notice plan on the
first weekend of every month - Saturday and Sunday, unless notified
otherwise.
We will meet at 9:0
The Bexar Grotto has a fairly well written constitution. It was last revised
in 1994, when I was just getting started as a caver. The constitution calls
for four officers: Chairperson, Vice-Chair of Programs, Vice-Chair of Trips,
and Secretary-Treasurer. For a long time now the secretary-treasurer
On March 3rd and 4th we will be looking for caves in the hills and canyons
of Government Canyon. If the trails are dry we will be surveying and
exploring caves. We'll probably also be digging in sinks. These are all
things that cavers like to do so come on out and help.
We meet at 9:00 in the par
There have been some changes in the Government Canyon Karst Project dates
for the months of April and May.
The April project will take place on the 7th, Saturday only. There will be
no project activities on the 8th, Easter Sunday.
The May project has been rescheduled from the first weekend of
Cavers:
The next project weekend at Government Canyon SNA is the 26th and 27th of
May. Please note that the date on the TSA website calendar is incorrect.
On the 26th and 27th we will be surveying caves, looking for caves, digging
for caves . . . You get the picture. There is much to do and I
The next Government Canyon project date is December 3rd and 4th. There are
lots of things to work on. The deepest cave in the park has several blowing
leads at the bottom. They need just a little work or a real skinny person.
Also lots of ridgewalking and surface sinks to check. Directions are belo
Cavers,
The Winter/Spring 2012 project dates for the Government Canyon Karst Project
are as follows:
January - no project.
February 4, 5
March 3, 4
April 7, 8
May 5, 6
Additional notice will be given as we get closer to each weekend. Contact me
for more details.
Marvin Miller
"What if there were a single passage with a large block of breakdown mostly
filling it. Say there is just enough room to squeeze around either side and
over the top. Who would count that as three separate routes?"
In Powell's Cave there are situations just like this, but the breakdown
blocks a
Announcing the 2012 TSA Cave Map Salon
Cave cartographers,
I hope you are working hard on finishing that map for the convention because
it's just around the corner. I'll be organizing the salon again this year.
Below are the basic rules as listed on the TSA web page. On the map salon
page you c
Cavers,
The Bexar Grotto is searching for several sets of lost survey instruments
(Suuntos or equivalent). They may have gone missing as long as 5 years ago
or more, so if it's possible that you borrowed a set from the grotto some
time in the past, please check to see if you may still inadvertent
March Government Canyon Karst Project Report
March 1, 2014
Participants: Christin Miller, Leah Miller, Lisa Miller, Marvin Miller
The Miller clan was out in force on this day which was competing with the
Honey Creek Tank Haul and probably a few other things.
We headed up the Joe Johnston Rd
When I first moved out to the Bulverde area I noticed a rock house set back
off of 1863 just as you enter Bulverde from the east. In a terrace wall,
spelled out in rock, and easily visible from the road, was the word "CAVE".
I wondered at first if it was advertising a long forgotten tourist cave bu
April Government Canyon Karst Project Report
April 7, 2014
Participants: Lasha Asanidze, Steve Gutting, Christopher Lafferty, Marvin
Miller, George Veni
Saturday morning we headed up the Joe Johnston Rd. to do some survey and
push leads in Big Dome Cave. It was George Veni's first visit t
"What if there were a single passage with a large block of breakdown mostly
filling it. Say there is just enough room to squeeze around either side and
over the top. Who would count that as three separate routes?"
In Powell's Cave there are situations just like this, but the breakdown
blocks a
Announcing the 2012 TSA Cave Map Salon
Cave cartographers,
I hope you are working hard on finishing that map for the convention because
it's just around the corner. I'll be organizing the salon again this year.
Below are the basic rules as listed on the TSA web page. On the map salon
page you c
Cavers,
The Bexar Grotto is searching for several sets of lost survey instruments
(Suuntos or equivalent). They may have gone missing as long as 5 years ago
or more, so if it's possible that you borrowed a set from the grotto some
time in the past, please check to see if you may still inadvertent
This is a reminder that the Government Canyon Karst Project is happening
this weekend on Nov. 6, Sunday only. Any out-of-towners coming to help out
with the Robber Baron Open House on Saturday are more than welcome to put in
a few hours on the project Sunday morning, or for as long as they care to
On March 3rd and 4th we will be looking for caves in the hills and canyons
of Government Canyon. If the trails are dry we will be surveying and
exploring caves. We'll probably also be digging in sinks. These are all
things that cavers like to do so come on out and help.
We meet at 9:00 in the par
There have been some changes in the Government Canyon Karst Project dates
for the months of April and May.
The April project will take place on the 7th, Saturday only. There will be
no project activities on the 8th, Easter Sunday.
The May project has been rescheduled from the first weekend of
Cavers:
The next project weekend at Government Canyon SNA is the 26th and 27th of
May. Please note that the date on the TSA website calendar is incorrect.
On the 26th and 27th we will be surveying caves, looking for caves, digging
for caves . . . You get the picture. There is much to do and I
The next Government Canyon project date is December 3rd and 4th. There are
lots of things to work on. The deepest cave in the park has several blowing
leads at the bottom. They need just a little work or a real skinny person.
Also lots of ridgewalking and surface sinks to check. Directions are belo
Cavers,
The Winter/Spring 2012 project dates for the Government Canyon Karst Project
are as follows:
January - no project.
February 4, 5
March 3, 4
April 7, 8
May 5, 6
Additional notice will be given as we get closer to each weekend. Contact me
for more details.
Marvin Miller
"What if there were a single passage with a large block of breakdown mostly
filling it. Say there is just enough room to squeeze around either side and
over the top. Who would count that as three separate routes?"
In Powell's Cave there are situations just like this, but the breakdown
blocks a
Announcing the 2012 TSA Cave Map Salon
Cave cartographers,
I hope you are working hard on finishing that map for the convention because
it's just around the corner. I'll be organizing the salon again this year.
Below are the basic rules as listed on the TSA web page. On the map salon
page you c
Cavers,
The Bexar Grotto is searching for several sets of lost survey instruments
(Suuntos or equivalent). They may have gone missing as long as 5 years ago
or more, so if it's possible that you borrowed a set from the grotto some
time in the past, please check to see if you may still inadvertent
This is a reminder that the Government Canyon Karst Project is happening
this weekend on Nov. 6, Sunday only. Any out-of-towners coming to help out
with the Robber Baron Open House on Saturday are more than welcome to put in
a few hours on the project Sunday morning, or for as long as they care to
There will be no project at Government Canyon SNA in the month of April. I
will be at the spring convention on the first weekend of the month, tending
the map salon and giving an update to the project as one of the
presentations. Hope to see everyone there.
The next trip will take place on the 2n
On the front cover of the Express News today:
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/environment/article/Rare-cave-to-be-sealed-
4375275.php
Coming up May 11th will be the next karst project trip to Government Canyon
SNA in San Antonio. There will be no project activities on Sunday. Please
note the schedule change. The project was previously posted as running both
days. Camping is still available Friday and Saturday nights. Contact me f
This is just a reminder that the next Government Canyon project weekend is
November 3rd and 4th.
We will meet the Volunteer/Research Station at 9:00 both mornings.
When you enter the park, take the first right. Go through a closed gate and
drive ~1 mile to the Volunteer/Research Station.
Co
5/69:
Another interesting thing about this passage - which we are calling "Highway
69" - is that there was some significant blasting done to access a part of
the passage. The "5/69" inscription was written on a piece of blast shard.
Ryan discovered it sitting on a shelf in an alcove above the main
The next Government Canyon Karst Survey Project trip will take place on the
first weekend of January. Activities will take place on both Saturday and
Sunday. Camping is available. Contact me to set it up.
We will meet at 9:00 both mornings at the Volunteer/Research Station. Take
the first right a
There is an article on caving in today's San Antonio Express News. Here is
the online version:
http://blog.mysanantonio.com/racksnreels/2012/12/27/exploring-underground-wo
nders-caves-hold-mysteries-knowledge/
Marvin Miller
I have heard some good things about Sanyo's Eneloops. They are supposed to
hold their charge for a long time and Sanyo claims they can be recharged
1500 times. I've started using them but haven't had enough experience to
definitely qualify them. Whatever you do, don't waste money on Energizer or
Du
The Government Canyon Karst Survey Project will be starting up again on the
first full weekend of October, Oct. 6 and 7.
First weekends seem to work pretty good so until further notice plan on the
first weekend of every month - Saturday and Sunday, unless notified
otherwise.
We will meet at 9:0
The Bexar Grotto has a fairly well written constitution. It was last revised
in 1994, when I was just getting started as a caver. The constitution calls
for four officers: Chairperson, Vice-Chair of Programs, Vice-Chair of Trips,
and Secretary-Treasurer. For a long time now the secretary-treasurer
On March 3rd and 4th we will be looking for caves in the hills and canyons
of Government Canyon. If the trails are dry we will be surveying and
exploring caves. We'll probably also be digging in sinks. These are all
things that cavers like to do so come on out and help.
We meet at 9:00 in the par
There have been some changes in the Government Canyon Karst Project dates
for the months of April and May.
The April project will take place on the 7th, Saturday only. There will be
no project activities on the 8th, Easter Sunday.
The May project has been rescheduled from the first weekend of
Cavers:
The next project weekend at Government Canyon SNA is the 26th and 27th of
May. Please note that the date on the TSA website calendar is incorrect.
On the 26th and 27th we will be surveying caves, looking for caves, digging
for caves . . . You get the picture. There is much to do and I
The next Government Canyon project date is December 3rd and 4th. There are
lots of things to work on. The deepest cave in the park has several blowing
leads at the bottom. They need just a little work or a real skinny person.
Also lots of ridgewalking and surface sinks to check. Directions are belo
Cavers,
The Winter/Spring 2012 project dates for the Government Canyon Karst Project
are as follows:
January - no project.
February 4, 5
March 3, 4
April 7, 8
May 5, 6
Additional notice will be given as we get closer to each weekend. Contact me
for more details.
Marvin Miller
The Texas Caver won a merit award at the convention?
Congratulations to Jill.
The karst survey project at Government Canyon State Natural Area will resume
on the first weekend of October - Oct. 5 and 6. Activities will take place
on both days. Free, private camping is available. Contact me to set it up.
The Government Canyon Karst Survey is a joint TSA/TPWD project with th
I hope Moni knows about David !
_
From: David Locklear [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 1:50 PM
To: CaveTex
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: tourist capacity
Since tourist have to stay on the trail, you first have to calculate the
area in square meters of the ent
Cave Mappers:
I will be coordinating the map salon at the spring convention again this
year. The convention is just over 4 weeks away so get your maps ready and
bring them along. Maps will be displayed in a building on site. Find out
where it is on Saturday morning and drop off your maps or hand
There will be no project at Government Canyon SNA in the month of April. I
will be at the spring convention on the first weekend of the month, tending
the map salon and giving an update to the project as one of the
presentations. Hope to see everyone there.
The next trip will take place on the 2n
On the front cover of the Express News today:
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/environment/article/Rare-cave-to-be-sealed-
4375275.php
Coming up May 11th will be the next karst project trip to Government Canyon
SNA in San Antonio. There will be no project activities on Sunday. Please
note the schedule change. The project was previously posted as running both
days. Camping is still available Friday and Saturday nights. Contact me f
This is just a reminder that the next Government Canyon project weekend is
November 3rd and 4th.
We will meet the Volunteer/Research Station at 9:00 both mornings.
When you enter the park, take the first right. Go through a closed gate and
drive ~1 mile to the Volunteer/Research Station.
Co
5/69:
Another interesting thing about this passage - which we are calling "Highway
69" - is that there was some significant blasting done to access a part of
the passage. The "5/69" inscription was written on a piece of blast shard.
Ryan discovered it sitting on a shelf in an alcove above the main
The next Government Canyon Karst Survey Project trip will take place on the
first weekend of January. Activities will take place on both Saturday and
Sunday. Camping is available. Contact me to set it up.
We will meet at 9:00 both mornings at the Volunteer/Research Station. Take
the first right a
There is an article on caving in today's San Antonio Express News. Here is
the online version:
http://blog.mysanantonio.com/racksnreels/2012/12/27/exploring-underground-wo
nders-caves-hold-mysteries-knowledge/
Marvin Miller
I have heard some good things about Sanyo's Eneloops. They are supposed to
hold their charge for a long time and Sanyo claims they can be recharged
1500 times. I've started using them but haven't had enough experience to
definitely qualify them. Whatever you do, don't waste money on Energizer or
Du
The Government Canyon Karst Survey Project will be starting up again on the
first full weekend of October, Oct. 6 and 7.
First weekends seem to work pretty good so until further notice plan on the
first weekend of every month - Saturday and Sunday, unless notified
otherwise.
We will meet at 9:0
The Bexar Grotto has a fairly well written constitution. It was last revised
in 1994, when I was just getting started as a caver. The constitution calls
for four officers: Chairperson, Vice-Chair of Programs, Vice-Chair of Trips,
and Secretary-Treasurer. For a long time now the secretary-treasurer
I just received my NSS News in the mail today. It has an awesome article on
the new discoveries in Jewel Cave and a foldout (!) color map illustrating
same. If you're not an NSS member you are missing out.
Marvin
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Cavers,
The project date for the Government Canyon Karst Project for May has been
changed. The new date is May 13, Saturday only. The TSA calendar has been
updated. This will be the last project date until the temperatures cool from
the hot summer in October. For project details see the web sit
Cavers,
Please note that the March and May dates of the Government Canyon Karst
Project have been changed. The new dates are March 10 and 11 & May 12.
The full calendar is available on the TSA calendar page:
https://www.cavetexas.org/calendar/index.php.
Marvin Miller
The TSS thanks the generous members of the Permian Basin Speleological
Society for their donation of $500 toward the purchase and renovation of the
Texas Speleology Center. Your gift is greatly appreciated!
Marvin Miller
TSS Treasurer
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Texascaver
Cavers,
I will be organizing the photo and map salons at this year's convention,
coming up on the 24th of March. The entries will be judged and awards will
be distributed. So print the best of your photos and finish getting your
maps drafted. Links to entry rules and judging criteria can be fou
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2108 TSA Convention Photos and Maps!
HI Marvin, i'd be happy to help judge this year.
Jill
On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:00 PM, Marvin and Lisa mailto:mlmil...@gvtc.com> > wrote:
Cavers,
I will be organizing the photo and map salons at this year’s
So this is the official start of the annual David Locklear Last Minute Road
Trip to the NSS Convention Drama. I’ll take bets right now that you are going
to go and that you will drive there. I’m looking forward to the next
installment.
Marvin
From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...
Yesterday Bexar Grotto members helped man a TSS booth and a Bexar Grotto
booth at the Cascade Caverns Cave Fest. The turnout was not huge but it was
fun talking to people about caves throughout the day. The band that played
at the event was Terry Cavanaugh and the Alpine Express. German polka not m
I think the 80/20 rule applies to organizations and size of meeting rooms with
regard to growing the organization. The meeting room should be at least 20%
larger than what you typically need. Something weird about the psychology of a
visitor seeing only a few empty spots in the room. They are le
Is anyone on this list a member of the GUAD Grotto? I did not realize there
was an official GUAD Grotto in Texas until I saw this video on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddPxh76FE0U
Marvin Miller
Bexar Grotto
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Texascavers mailing
Can anyone speak to the extreme measures being taken by the Thai medical team
to keep the boys in quarantine? Is that really necessary? Are they afraid the
boys might have contracted something in the cave or are they afraid that their
immune systems might be weakened and they are protecting them
I use fast burning black powder. 3 mil nichrome wire for the igniter. It is
readily available on the internet.
My follow-on question is what do people use to fill the hole? I am currently
using plumbers putty. Is it necessary to completely plug the hole to the
surface?
Marvin Miller
Jerry,
I received the check. Thank you very much.
I would like to take care of the HCSNA data. That reminds me that I need to
prepare a WallsMap update.
Thanks,
Marvin
From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of
Jerry
Sent: Wednesday, October 7,
If anyone is planning on camping at Government Canyon this weekend for the
karst project, be advised that one of the camp sites is being reserved for a
photo shoot. Please do not set up at the flagged site.
Thanks,
Marvin
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Texascavers mailing
Roman,
We will eventually get to doing transects but right now we are focusing on
fully investigating every feature and cave already known about. While doing
that we have discovered some new caves and sinks. We have a number of digs
going on and some caves to survey.
You can certainly join us
Swaygo makes the Site Lite Shield, available from IMO.
https://innermountainoutfitters.com/collections/survey-2/products/shield
From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of
John Lyles
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2022 2:21 PM
To: George Veni
Cc: Texas Cave
Thanks, Andy!
We have seen salamanders in the cave. I didn’t hear anyone mention seeing any
on Saturday. Adam Daw was with us so I’m sure he was looking.
Marvin
From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of
Andy Gluesenkamp
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 6:
Interesting. On my three trips through there I have not noticed any airflow and
have not thought the water was cold. Further back in the cave, after you
encounter an in-feeder, it seems colder. We haven’t seen any larger fish – or
any fish at all – in the main passage. Lots of large tadpoles, th
Agreed. Bexar Grotto cavers know to nod non-comittally, stroke their chins
or beards, and say "uh-huh, uh-huh, very interesting" when listening to
Geary Schindel stories or set-ups.
-Original Message-
From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of
George Veni
November/December Government Canyon Karst Project Report
November 7, 2015
Participants: Niki Lake, Marvin Miller, Joe Schaertl
Only Joe and Niki joined the project for what threatened to be a rainy day.
The ground was very wet from rains in the preceding days so the trails were
closed. I aske
Cavers,
The next Karst Project weekend at Government Canyon State Natural Area just
northwest of San Antonio is scheduled for the first weekend in February,
Feb. 6 & 7. We will meet at the Volunteer/Research Station at 9:00 on both
days. To get there enter the park at the main gate and then take
Government Canyon Karst Project Report
January 2, 2016
Participants: Pam Campbell, Bennett Lee, Leah Miller, Marvin Miller, Joe
Schaertl
Saturday was a cold, rainy day but 3 participants showed up to join my
daughter Leah and me. Because of the weather I decided we would do a
monitoring
Government Canyon Karst Project Report
March 5 & 6, 2016
Participants: Sarah Gorton, Steve Gutting, Elizabeth Herren, Leah Hill,
Marvin Miller, Greg Mosier, Kris Pena, Kevin Pride, Will Quast, John
Sackrider, Aimee Sienkiewiz, Richard Silver
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