[tw5] Re: [ Demo ] : floating editor toolbar

[Saq Imtiaz]

@Stephen good catch on that div. Though now that you have pointed it out, I 
will try to remove the need for that div altogether. Will just require 
tweaking the calculations for the position of the popup menu a little bit.

As you have discovered adding back the standard toolbar is quite easy. You 
can also easily exclude from the standard toolbar, the buttons in the 
floating toolbar by tweaking the filter:
[all[shadows+tiddlers]tag[$:/tags/EditorToolbar]!has[draft.of]] -[list[$:
/config/sq/floating-toolbar/button-list]]

 I have a different design concept in mind that I want to explore first, 
which is why I have not as of yet gone this route. While this is an 
acceptable solution for the regular editor, for the Streams plugin in 
particular, I would like something with less visual clutter.

@Tony : as Stephen points out, it is pretty easy to add back in the 
standard editor tool bar. Just compare $:/core/ui/EditTemplate/body/editor 
to the unmodified shadow tiddler. 

Cheers,
Saq

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 2:34:40 AM UTC+2, Stephen Kimmel wrote:
>
> As it runs out the fix to the preview was easy enough. All I had to do was 
> to move the opening  to a new position 
> directly in front of the reveal pop-up line.
>
> I was also able to put back the standard editor tool bar by adding the 
> removed code ahead of the relocated position:relative div line. 
>
> I look forward to seeing the improvements you have in mind.
>
> Stephen
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 2:41:01 PM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>> Hi Stephen, 
>>
>> Let me just re-iterate that this a quick 30 minute hack meant to serve as 
>> a demo/proof of concept for an alternative way to implement a text 
>> formatting toolbar. It is not meant for anyone to use. There are fair few 
>> edge cases that cause issues, and no affordance for toolbar buttons that do 
>> not depend on a selection.
>>
>> That said, thank you for bringing the issue with the preview to my 
>> attention. As I never use the preview option I likely would not have 
>> realized. This at least, should be an easy fix.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Saq
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 9:08:12 PM UTC+2, Stephen Kimmel wrote:
>>>
>>> I definitely like the idea of the pop-up editor toolbar though I do have 
>>> a difficulty or two that I haven't worked my way through yet. Perhaps my 
>>> biggest gripe is that the preview window changed position from beside the 
>>> editing window to below and to the right of the editing window. 
>>>
>>> I'm working with FF but I've seen the same effect using Chrome and Brave 
>>> as well.
>>>
>>> Stephen
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 2:58:06 AM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:

 When early morning conference calls run too long, you get demos. 
 Here is a very quick and rough proof of concept of an alternative 
 approach to the editor toolbar:

 [image: float-menu.png]














 Edit a tiddler, and select some text to make the toolbar appear:

 https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/floating-menu.html

 Caveats:
 - Not all buttons are related to selections and some would need to be 
 available without a selection.
 - Probably a fair few other things, haven't tested it beyond selecting 
 some text and triggering a button.

 Cheers,
 Saq

 PS: I think "demo" (or "POC" / proof of concept) and "UI" tags would be 
 handy for posts.

>>>

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[tw5] Chatbot Plugin

[ChristianB]

Hi All,

I've created a chatbot plugin that would like to share with this group.  

Its available here:  
http://ceebeetree.tiddlyspot.com/#:%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fceebee%2Fchatbot%2Fui%2Fchat
 

I'm interested to see what uses people can apply this to in their own 
wiki's... at the moment the chatbot is using a very simplistic set of 
responses that were available as a sample for the underlying AI library 
(RiveScript) so it would be interesting what useful responses people can 
program their own bot to provide...

Also any review on the code is welcome - this is my first plugin I've 
loaded to GitHub so happy to take on some push suggestions etc 

Cheers
CB

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Re: [tw5] Re: Notes on History - How would you do it?

[Scott Kingery]

Thanks, all for the continued discussion and lengthy replies. I know there
has been some talk about how people are using Tiddlywiki for genealogy. I
look forward to diving into that topic as well.

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 4:06 PM TW Tones  wrote:

> Pit/Scott,
>
> Pit I Just realised you replied inline to my reply on history. Scott make
> sure you review Pits comments.
>
> I will extract a few key items from Pits's response to me to answer and
> question your comments (retained below)
>
>
>1. I think you are best using the date format that the tools you have
>to enter and LIST dates in tiddlywiki
>2. Its easy to write macros that add or remove delimiters, it makes
>sense to use 0MM0DD or 0MM0DD000.. zero filled to map to tiddlywiki
>date especially if you have a lot of content since 1900
>3. Pit can you explain how you do this ?
> get an end date "moment().add(0, 'days')" from the moment.js plugin -
>works nicely in the timelines plugin
>4. Add another date field perhaps for recognised dates ; Pit I don't
>understand that
>With tiddlywiki you are free to do as you wish, for examples if you
>have different dates from different sources you can record these
>controversial dates
>One way to store multiple dates is to give each date field a suffix
>"-date" dateaname-date and you can programaticaly extract all dates with
>ease.
>5. Allow dates to be entered manually as well as selected from the
>list I am still trying to find a convenient list widget for dates
>One reason you will have difficulty is because you are not  keeping
>dates compatible with tiddlywiki's date serial number, even if you don't
>need time
>However all this can be worked around to some degree, Like add the
>zeros in the code you write.
>Keep in mind when you get to dates outside date handling capabilities
>eg -10,000BC you can introduce alternate handling even you do use the date
>serial.
>You could have a separate date field for "pre-history" etc..
>
> For more tricks we need the issue to be identified and they can be
> answered.
>
>- One big one is calculated periods such that if a year is called "Annus
>horribilis" you can given the year compute start and end dates
>- When using valid tw5 dates the days field takes a little to
>understand, I can help here, but it allows powerful range handling with
>valid date awareness
>- Evans formulae plugin was date powerful (my memory it was)
>
> Thanks for the other references Pit.
>
>
>-  http://kixam.github.io/TW5-visjsTimeline/
>
>- Damon as History Buff
>https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/TiddlyWiki/ckbmFxV4gRk
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
>> Am 15.07.2020 um 04:00 schrieb TW Tones:
>>
>> Scott,
>>
>> I have not developed any historical tiddlywiki's but I have spent a lot
>> of time in personal organisers. From this I have a set of key methods I
>> use. I will dump a few here which we can explore further.
>>
>>- Yes, set dates in custom date fields and have at least start and
>>end dates, same for me, but I have 4 fields: First in the ISO date
>>format YYY-0MM-0DD; second just the year  (no leading 0s, BC with a
>>"-"(minus)
>>- Keep created and Modified to mean what they mean, created the
>>tiddler and modified the tiddler - this is useful information don't
>>compromise your future by changing their meaning yes
>>- if both dates are the same consider it a mile stone I regard it as
>>a 1-day-event; Milestones I identify by tags
>>- If their is not end date then it marks a new era that has note
>>close Thats a milestone for me, missing date migth just indicate that
>>I dont know it . Ongoing things get an end date "moment().add(0, 'days')"
>>from the moment.js plugin - works nicely in the timelines plugin
>>- If it has no start date we are not sure when it started same here
>>- Add another date field perhaps for recognised dates I dont
>>understand that
>>- You could use a plugin like http://kixam.github.io/TW5-datePicker/ 
>> however
>>more for this century (needs moment.js plugin as well see notes) I
>>use that as a standard
>>- Allow dates to be entered manually as well as selected from the
>>list I am still trying to find a convenient list widget for dates
>>- Keep as many dates as possible compatible with tiddlywiki's date
>>serial number, even f you zero fill the rest of the serial number tricky
>>one; I didnt do it because for history I dont need minutes, seconds,
>>milliseconds
>>- This allows you to continue to use operators and sort etc..
>>- There is at least one visual timeline tool eg 
>> http://emkayonline.github.io/tw5visjs/
>>Thats a must; new version here:
>>http://kixam.github.io/TW5-visjsTimeline/
>>
>>- A lot of the 

[tw5] Re: Why do Startup Actions not work?

[ChristianB]

Hi Tony 

Did you every complete this work ? I found your post when searching on the 
same problem and was looking to build the same type of plugin ( ie 
passwords and encrypted tiddlers etc )... Perhaps we can exchange notes

I found that the following code worked - as it hooks into the core 
frameworks existing hook for  th-opening-default-tiddlers-list  ( a point 
at which the story list components seems loaded already ).. and its a bit 
more self-contained than setting a dependency on another plugin

$tw.hooks.addHook("th-opening-default-tiddlers-list",function(list) { 
   $tw.modal.display("Logon",{event:"tm-modal"});
return list; 
});
 
The first parameter to $tw.modal.display  is the tiddler you want launched

Cheers
CB

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[tw5] Re: Sharing Drift

[john roland]

Hi Casey,

I found that this helped me with bullet spacing issues for the markdown plugin 
in recent versions of TiddlyWiki, and I think it must address the issue you’re 
seeing too in Drift because markdown bullet lists appear fine for me: 
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/4592

Hope it helps!

John

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[tw5] [noob question] Node JS with TiddlyDesktop confusion

[_Phi / hpx1]

Hi, 

help me dispel some confusion :
I first installed TW5 using npm, and served it via NodeJS because I wanted 
to have multiple *.tid files rather than one unique html file (see my last 
question below).
My 'tiddlywiki.info' had a couple of plugins, themes, options. Back then, I 
was using Firefox to access the TW on localhost. 

But after a while, I started to exclusively use TiddlyDesktop to launch my 
TW folder *without ever starting the nodeJS server.*

So far, it works, all tiddlers get saved in a separated .tid file almost 
instantly. 
Whenever I install plugins via drag-n-drop, they are also saved in the TW 
folder in separate files.
So all in all, this seems to be the perfect solution... but it's probably 
too easy so I suspect I'm doing it wrong.

It seems the correct and official way to install plugins on NodeJS is to 
declare the new plugins in the tiddlywiki.info file every time (which I 
never do).
Is there a specific reason why this is better than the drag n drop in my 
situation (where I use TiddlyDesktop only) ?

Will I run into some troubles in the long run and why ?
Is this a valid use case to create a NodeJS TW installation to get 
multi-files feature, but use it as a standalone offline wiki wia 
tiddlydesktop ?

last question :
initially, I wanted to have separate *.tid files for *backup* purposes but 
also for *editing*.
I was hoping to *create and edit new tiddlers using external text editors *(by 
using a templated header) : is there anything else to do aside from saving 
the tiddler with the correct header (say from Sublime Text or Atom) and 
then refresh the wiki ? is this a common/approved workflow for TW5 ?

thanks !
Phi

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[tw5] Re: [ Demo ] : floating editor toolbar

['Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki]

As it runs out the fix to the preview was easy enough. All I had to do was 
to move the opening  to a new position 
directly in front of the reveal pop-up line.

I was also able to put back the standard editor tool bar by adding the 
removed code ahead of the relocated position:relative div line. 

I look forward to seeing the improvements you have in mind.

Stephen


On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 2:41:01 PM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> Hi Stephen, 
>
> Let me just re-iterate that this a quick 30 minute hack meant to serve as 
> a demo/proof of concept for an alternative way to implement a text 
> formatting toolbar. It is not meant for anyone to use. There are fair few 
> edge cases that cause issues, and no affordance for toolbar buttons that do 
> not depend on a selection.
>
> That said, thank you for bringing the issue with the preview to my 
> attention. As I never use the preview option I likely would not have 
> realized. This at least, should be an easy fix.
>
> Cheers,
> Saq
>
> On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 9:08:12 PM UTC+2, Stephen Kimmel wrote:
>>
>> I definitely like the idea of the pop-up editor toolbar though I do have 
>> a difficulty or two that I haven't worked my way through yet. Perhaps my 
>> biggest gripe is that the preview window changed position from beside the 
>> editing window to below and to the right of the editing window. 
>>
>> I'm working with FF but I've seen the same effect using Chrome and Brave 
>> as well.
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 2:58:06 AM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>
>>> When early morning conference calls run too long, you get demos. 
>>> Here is a very quick and rough proof of concept of an alternative 
>>> approach to the editor toolbar:
>>>
>>> [image: float-menu.png]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Edit a tiddler, and select some text to make the toolbar appear:
>>>
>>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/floating-menu.html
>>>
>>> Caveats:
>>> - Not all buttons are related to selections and some would need to be 
>>> available without a selection.
>>> - Probably a fair few other things, haven't tested it beyond selecting 
>>> some text and triggering a button.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Saq
>>>
>>> PS: I think "demo" (or "POC" / proof of concept) and "UI" tags would be 
>>> handy for posts.
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: [ Demo ] : floating editor toolbar

[TW Tones]

Saq,

I love the solution so far, however I have a range of editor Toolbar 
buttons, I use for insert rather than act on a selection, so I need some 
way to open the toolbar at a cursor only.

I would be happy if I could still use and select what appears in the 
standard toolbar. I like your minimalist approach but we need to use both 
if possible. 
Further I have a fix I can't find the doco  for that. (primarily css and 
the Z value). It makes the existing editorToolbar remain at the top of the 
visible window when you scroll down long tiddlers, so its always in view 
until you scroll away from a tiddler in edit mode.

A hybrid would be ideal, with any thing in the popup not showing in the 
standard toolbar.

Regards
Tony


On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 5:41:01 AM UTC+10, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> Hi Stephen, 
>
> Let me just re-iterate that this a quick 30 minute hack meant to serve as 
> a demo/proof of concept for an alternative way to implement a text 
> formatting toolbar. It is not meant for anyone to use. There are fair few 
> edge cases that cause issues, and no affordance for toolbar buttons that do 
> not depend on a selection.
>
> That said, thank you for bringing the issue with the preview to my 
> attention. As I never use the preview option I likely would not have 
> realized. This at least, should be an easy fix.
>
> Cheers,
> Saq
>
> On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 9:08:12 PM UTC+2, Stephen Kimmel wrote:
>>
>> I definitely like the idea of the pop-up editor toolbar though I do have 
>> a difficulty or two that I haven't worked my way through yet. Perhaps my 
>> biggest gripe is that the preview window changed position from beside the 
>> editing window to below and to the right of the editing window. 
>>
>> I'm working with FF but I've seen the same effect using Chrome and Brave 
>> as well.
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 2:58:06 AM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>
>>> When early morning conference calls run too long, you get demos. 
>>> Here is a very quick and rough proof of concept of an alternative 
>>> approach to the editor toolbar:
>>>
>>> [image: float-menu.png]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Edit a tiddler, and select some text to make the toolbar appear:
>>>
>>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/floating-menu.html
>>>
>>> Caveats:
>>> - Not all buttons are related to selections and some would need to be 
>>> available without a selection.
>>> - Probably a fair few other things, haven't tested it beyond selecting 
>>> some text and triggering a button.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Saq
>>>
>>> PS: I think "demo" (or "POC" / proof of concept) and "UI" tags would be 
>>> handy for posts.
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Notes on History - How would you do it?

[TW Tones]

Pit/Scott,

Pit I Just realised you replied inline to my reply on history. Scott make 
sure you review Pits comments.

I will extract a few key items from Pits's response to me to answer and 
question your comments (retained below)


   1. I think you are best using the date format that the tools you have to 
   enter and LIST dates in tiddlywiki
   2. Its easy to write macros that add or remove delimiters, it makes 
   sense to use 0MM0DD or 0MM0DD000.. zero filled to map to tiddlywiki 
   date especially if you have a lot of content since 1900
   3. Pit can you explain how you do this ?
get an end date "moment().add(0, 'days')" from the moment.js plugin - 
   works nicely in the timelines plugin
   4. Add another date field perhaps for recognised dates ; Pit I don't 
   understand that
   With tiddlywiki you are free to do as you wish, for examples if you have 
   different dates from different sources you can record these controversial 
   dates
   One way to store multiple dates is to give each date field a suffix 
   "-date" dateaname-date and you can programaticaly extract all dates with 
   ease.
   5. Allow dates to be entered manually as well as selected from the list I 
   am still trying to find a convenient list widget for dates
   One reason you will have difficulty is because you are not  keeping 
   dates compatible with tiddlywiki's date serial number, even if you don't 
   need time
   However all this can be worked around to some degree, Like add the zeros 
   in the code you write.
   Keep in mind when you get to dates outside date handling capabilities eg 
   -10,000BC you can introduce alternate handling even you do use the date 
   serial.
   You could have a separate date field for "pre-history" etc..

For more tricks we need the issue to be identified and they can be 
answered. 

   - One big one is calculated periods such that if a year is called "Annus 
   horribilis" you can given the year compute start and end dates
   - When using valid tw5 dates the days field takes a little to 
   understand, I can help here, but it allows powerful range handling with 
   valid date awareness
   - Evans formulae plugin was date powerful (my memory it was)

Thanks for the other references Pit.


   -  http://kixam.github.io/TW5-visjsTimeline/ 
   
   - Damon as History Buff 
   https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/TiddlyWiki/ckbmFxV4gRk 

Regards
Tony


> Am 15.07.2020 um 04:00 schrieb TW Tones:
>
> Scott, 
>
> I have not developed any historical tiddlywiki's but I have spent a lot of 
> time in personal organisers. From this I have a set of key methods I use. I 
> will dump a few here which we can explore further.
>
>- Yes, set dates in custom date fields and have at least start and end 
>dates, same for me, but I have 4 fields: First in the ISO date format 
>YYY-0MM-0DD; second just the year  (no leading 0s, BC with a "-"(minus)
>- Keep created and Modified to mean what they mean, created the 
>tiddler and modified the tiddler - this is useful information don't 
>compromise your future by changing their meaning yes
>- if both dates are the same consider it a mile stone I regard it as a 
>1-day-event; Milestones I identify by tags
>- If their is not end date then it marks a new era that has note close 
> Thats 
>a milestone for me, missing date migth just indicate that I dont know it . 
>Ongoing things get an end date "moment().add(0, 'days')" from the 
> moment.js 
>plugin - works nicely in the timelines plugin
>- If it has no start date we are not sure when it started same here
>- Add another date field perhaps for recognised dates I dont 
>understand that
>- You could use a plugin like http://kixam.github.io/TW5-datePicker/ 
> however 
>more for this century (needs moment.js plugin as well see notes) I use 
>that as a standard
>- Allow dates to be entered manually as well as selected from the list I 
>am still trying to find a convenient list widget for dates
>- Keep as many dates as possible compatible with tiddlywiki's date 
>serial number, even f you zero fill the rest of the serial number tricky 
>one; I didnt do it because for history I dont need minutes, seconds, 
>milliseconds
>- This allows you to continue to use operators and sort etc.. 
>- There is at least one visual timeline tool eg 
> http://emkayonline.github.io/tw5visjs/ 
>Thats a must; new version here: 
>http://kixam.github.io/TW5-visjsTimeline/
> 
>- A lot of the people pursuing genealogical tiddlywiki's need dates 
>and some very old dates so maps to historical records. Damon Prichett 
>has created some cool stuff for displaying family trees; see posts like 
>2020-06-28 in this group
>
> If you are taking records that become history there are more tricks   
> Tony, please do tell...
>
> 

[tw5] Re: Tight

[TW Tones]

Note:

Copy and past the link and it works
don't follow the link in the email

This one works !
https://giffmex.org/experiments/tight.empty.html

Regards
Tony


On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 3:14:05 AM UTC+10, PMario wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>
> There seems to be something wrong with your link. For me it links to 
> youtube with a confusing question. 
>
> -m
>

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[tw5] Re: Sharing Drift

[casey.d...@gmail.com]

Hey Tony.
Loving the plugin. I ran into one issue though I wondered if I could get 
help with. 

When using the markdown file type, the bulleted items are off by a large 
amount. They appear nicely when using the standard tiddly format. Is there 
any way to resolve this easily?
[image: 87063808-7053f780-c1d4-11ea-823b-c6c0b7a82128.png]


On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 5:06:21 PM UTC-5 波普 wrote:

> Hi, Tony
>
> I want the sidebar to show on the right. What should I do?
>
> Thanks!
>
> 在 2020年5月26日星期二 UTC+8上午3:00:01，Tony K写道：
>
>> Thread bump for v0.2.0 
>>
>> Drift now supports "side-by-side" tiddlers where you can "pin" a tiddler 
>> to the side bar and view it in parallel to the others
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 2:37:50 AM UTC+3, Tony K wrote:
>>>
>>> Drift is now updated to *v0.2.0*
>>>
>>> Drift now has a "side-by-side" option to pin a tiddler to view it aside 
>>> another one.
>>>
>>> it is not as elegant as a 2-stories feature but, while waiting for Saq 
>>> to find time to assist this hack will do
>>>
>>> Full change log and demo site https://akhater.github.io/drift/
>>>
>>> Already running drift ?? make sure to update to the latest version 
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Just wanted to share "Drift" a place to Collect Organize and Grow your 
>>> ideas
>>>
>>>
>>> It has many features but, most important for me, is the "backlinks" or 
>>> "bidirectional links" 
>>>
>>> Needless to say it is inspired by "TiddlyBlink" / "Stroll" just fitted 
>>> to my own needs and liking 
>>>
>>> A demo and more extensive documentation is available at 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://akhater.github.io/drift/
>>> Hope it will help someone
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Side Preview?

[amreus]

Yes.

On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 5:00:36 AM UTC-4, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> Are you familiar with the preview option in the default editor?
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 11:28:38 PM UTC+2, amreus wrote:
>>
>> This is related to Mat's SideEditor, but I thought not on-topic so I 
>> started a new topic. 
>>
>> So would it be possible to make a "Side Preview" plugin? So instead of 
>> floating a side editor, the normal editor is used but a small (tiny?), live 
>> preview window is floated over the sidebar when the tiddler is being 
>> edited? Sort of like the preview when you hover over the Windows taskbar.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Automatically create tiddlers from outside source

[UBi]

Regarding standalone Tiddliwikis, you could inject Tiddlers with Python 
like this:

from lxml import html
from lxml import builder as E
from datetime import datetime

infile, outfile = 'empty.html','modified.html'

def maketiddler(title,text):
timestamp = datetime.now().strftime('%Y%m%d%H%M%S%f')[:17]
fields = {'title' : title, 'modified' : timestamp}
return E.DIV(E.ATTR(fields),E.PRE(text))

tree = html.fromstring(open(infile,'rb').read())
tids = tree.get_element_by_id('storeArea')
tids.append(maketiddler('Test','Test Tiddler injected with Python'))
open(outfile,'wb').write(html.tostring(tree, include_meta_content_type=True, 
encoding='utf-8',doctype=''))


The resulting outfile is smaller than infile, html.tostring() leaves some 
characters unconverted the TiddlyWiki saver would convert to HTML entities.

Am Sonntag, 12. Juli 2020 19:54:39 UTC+2 schrieb LG:

> Is it possible to push updates to TW from outside sources which can create 
> a new toddler? I read that this might be possible with email.
>
> I like to write in Google Keep, but want to make sure my new note ends up 
> in TW too. It'd be great if I didn't have to manually copy it over.
>

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[tw5] Re: [ Demo ] : floating editor toolbar

[Saq Imtiaz]

Hi Stephen, 

Let me just re-iterate that this a quick 30 minute hack meant to serve as a 
demo/proof of concept for an alternative way to implement a text formatting 
toolbar. It is not meant for anyone to use. There are fair few edge cases 
that cause issues, and no affordance for toolbar buttons that do not depend 
on a selection.

That said, thank you for bringing the issue with the preview to my 
attention. As I never use the preview option I likely would not have 
realized. This at least, should be an easy fix.

Cheers,
Saq

On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 9:08:12 PM UTC+2, Stephen Kimmel wrote:
>
> I definitely like the idea of the pop-up editor toolbar though I do have a 
> difficulty or two that I haven't worked my way through yet. Perhaps my 
> biggest gripe is that the preview window changed position from beside the 
> editing window to below and to the right of the editing window. 
>
> I'm working with FF but I've seen the same effect using Chrome and Brave 
> as well.
>
> Stephen
>
> On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 2:58:06 AM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>> When early morning conference calls run too long, you get demos. 
>> Here is a very quick and rough proof of concept of an alternative 
>> approach to the editor toolbar:
>>
>> [image: float-menu.png]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Edit a tiddler, and select some text to make the toolbar appear:
>>
>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/floating-menu.html
>>
>> Caveats:
>> - Not all buttons are related to selections and some would need to be 
>> available without a selection.
>> - Probably a fair few other things, haven't tested it beyond selecting 
>> some text and triggering a button.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Saq
>>
>> PS: I think "demo" (or "POC" / proof of concept) and "UI" tags would be 
>> handy for posts.
>>
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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Mat]

@Jon, 
If I understand you right, you thus *only *have the SideEditor plugin 
installed. Here are some tests:

*1)* So, it can be a separate stylesheet that is not part of a plugin. You 
can list all stylesheets by typing <> to get a tag 
button which, when clicked, shows all stylesheets. 
The first thing to look at is which, if any, stylesheets are listed *below *the 
 
$:/plugins/TWaddle/SideEditor/Stylesheet (the lower down the list the 
higher priority conflicting css has, assuming the css instruction is 
written in the exact same way). 
IF there are stylesheets below that SideEditor stylesheet, it would be good 
if you reported them here.
*1b)* The next test is to, inside that tag dropdown, drag'n drop SideEditor 
stylehseet to the bottom of the list and test if this makes the SideEditor 
perform correctly.

*2)* If that still doesn't do it, you can check for any overwritten core 
tiddlers by going to Ctrlpanel > Info > Basics ...and at very bottom click 
on the magnifying glass. You could try to delete any such tiddlers (which 
will *restore* them to their original shadow tiddler). Test SideEditor 
after each deletion and if try to remember which one it was you deleted so 
you know who's the culprit, and if you feel it is relevant then report your 
finding here.

*3)* There may also be locally defined "style blocks" somewhere, i.e not 
full stylesheets. These can be located by doing an advanced search for: 

[tw5] Re: [ Demo ] : floating editor toolbar

['Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki]

I definitely like the idea of the pop-up editor toolbar though I do have a 
difficulty or two that I haven't worked my way through yet. Perhaps my 
biggest gripe is that the preview window changed position from beside the 
editing window to below and to the right of the editing window. 

I'm working with FF but I've seen the same effect using Chrome and Brave as 
well.

Stephen

On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 2:58:06 AM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> When early morning conference calls run too long, you get demos. 
> Here is a very quick and rough proof of concept of an alternative approach 
> to the editor toolbar:
>
> [image: float-menu.png]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Edit a tiddler, and select some text to make the toolbar appear:
>
> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/floating-menu.html
>
> Caveats:
> - Not all buttons are related to selections and some would need to be 
> available without a selection.
> - Probably a fair few other things, haven't tested it beyond selecting 
> some text and triggering a button.
>
> Cheers,
> Saq
>
> PS: I think "demo" (or "POC" / proof of concept) and "UI" tags would be 
> handy for posts.
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Jon]

Hi Mat,

copied wiki, deleted all plugins apart from core.

Searched for anything SideEditor related in advanced search and deleted 
that. 

Saved & refreshed and then re-installed SideEditor but same problem, so it 
must be something to do with my wiki but what I've no idea!

Regards
Jon

On Wednesday, 15 July 2020 19:07:21 UTC+1, Mat wrote:
>
> @Jon, OK, that's a longish list of plugins to it's nothing I can test 
> directly, so yes please, do copy your wiki and show me as you propose.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Mat]

@Jon, OK, that's a longish list of plugins to it's nothing I can test 
directly, so yes please, do copy your wiki and show me as you propose.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Jon]

Hi Mat,

Yes, I had disabled them rather than remove them. So given what you've 
said, I've removed those and the ones left are:

When I get time, I'll copy the wiki, and remove all the plugins. If it 
doesn't work then, it must be something else.

Favourites
Highlight-searched-text
encryptTiddler
2click2edit
ContextPlugin
Tiddlymap
Visjs (for above)
commander
pinboard
refnotes
SocialCalc
tw5-checklist
Menu Bar
Appear
TabLinks
Uni-link

Regards
Jon

On Tuesday, 14 July 2020 21:52:40 UTC+1, Mat wrote:
>
> @Jon
>
> may I ask which plugins you had installed? And when you say you disabled 
> them, did you delete them or merely click disable? I'm not really sure what 
> clicking disable does and I can imagine that, particularly, stylesheets are 
> still affecting things. 
> But again, which plugins did/do you have installed, if you don't mind me 
> asking?
>
> And it's not Stroll by any chance? Which was just updated for this reason.
>
> Thanks
>
> <:-)
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Notes on History - How would you do it?

[History Buff]

The thread that Pit.W. was referring to (thanks for the nice comments by 
the way), is here: 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/TiddlyWiki/ckbmFxV4gRk

I used tidgraph to display the ancestors of my family members and I created 
a macro to list the descendants. Works well for my purposes at least.

Damon

On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 10:36:24 PM UTC-7, Pit.W. wrote:
>
> Scott, I run a TW for exactly the same purpose as your's, since some time 
> and it has 4.000+ entries.
>
> I run it now in its own node.js instance, merging several former separated 
> stand-alone wikis into it.
>
> Besides my comments below, I learned the following lessons:
>
> It is good to have a multidimensional data model.
>
> so I use the tocP macro collection; I have an additional data type to 
> identify the different topics I am researching, like:Family, arts, ... 
> There is also a plugin for alternative tag-fields 
> ($:/plugins/inmysocks/GenericTagFields/) by OOKTECH. Has a nice GUI and 
> opens huge possibilities.
>
> The key is a field named "h-doctype" which distinguishes the various 
> natures of the info stored in the tiddler, like "Historic person", 
> "Historic event", "Historic country" "Historic location". This field then 
> triggers a corresponding conditional view template. 
>
> Whenever I change the basic working methodology in the wiki, I also change 
> the name of the editor, helps updating old stuff.
>
> tidgraph is a must - see below
>
> tiddlymap is a must
>
> for some date calculations Evan Balster's "formulas" are my favourite
>
> Keep us updated on your progress
>
>
> Pit.W
>
>
>
> Am 15.07.2020 um 04:00 schrieb TW Tones:
>
> Scott, 
>
> I have not developed any historical tiddlywiki's but I have spent a lot of 
> time in personal organisers. From this I have a set of key methods I use. I 
> will dump a few here which we can explore further.
>
>- Yes, set dates in custom date fields and have at least start and end 
>dates, same for me, but I have 4 fields: First in the ISO date format 
>YYY-0MM-0DD; second just the year  (no leading 0s, BC with a "-"(minus)
>- Keep created and Modified to mean what they mean, created the 
>tiddler and modified the tiddler - this is useful information don't 
>compromise your future by changing their meaning yes
>- if both dates are the same consider it a mile stone I regard it as a 
>1-day-event; Milestones I identify by tags
>- If their is not end date then it marks a new era that has note close 
> Thats 
>a milestone for me, missing date migth just indicate that I dont know it . 
>Ongoing things get an end date "moment().add(0, 'days')" from the 
> moment.js 
>plugin - works nicely in the timelines plugin
>- If it has no start date we are not sure when it started same here
>- Add another date field perhaps for recognised dates I dont 
>understand that
>- You could use a plugin like http://kixam.github.io/TW5-datePicker/ 
> however 
>more for this century (needs moment.js plugin as well see notes) I use 
>that as a standard
>- Allow dates to be entered manually as well as selected from the list I 
>am still trying to find a convenient list widget for dates
>- Keep as many dates as possible compatible with tiddlywiki's date 
>serial number, even f you zero fill the rest of the serial number tricky 
>one; I didnt do it because for history I dont need minutes, seconds, 
>milliseconds
>- This allows you to continue to use operators and sort etc.. 
>- There is at least one visual timeline tool eg 
> http://emkayonline.github.io/tw5visjs/ 
>Thats a must; new version here: 
>http://kixam.github.io/TW5-visjsTimeline/
> 
>- A lot of the people pursuing genealogical tiddlywiki's need dates 
>and some very old dates so maps to historical records. Damon Prichett 
>has created some cool stuff for displaying family trees; see posts like 
>2020-06-28 in this group
>
> If you are taking records that become history there are more tricks   
> Tony, please do tell...
>
> Regards
> Tony
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[tw5] Re: Tight

[PMario]

Hi David,

There seems to be something wrong with your link. For me it links to 
youtube with a confusing question. 

-m

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Re: [tw5] Re: Side Preview?

[Birthe C]

Looking at the website, you will see two buttons at the upper right corner. 
Click on your  settings, change your preferences for mail.

And please, this was a change of subject for this thread, sorry! 

Birthe

onsdag den 15. juli 2020 kl. 15.49.38 UTC+2 skrev Jeffrey:
>
> Can somebody tell me how to turn off receiving daily emails from the 
> group? I prefer to read them on the website. I'm getting flooded with 
> messages. jd 
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Side Preview?

[Jeffrey Denison]

Can somebody tell me how to turn off receiving daily emails from the
group? I prefer to read them on the website. I'm getting flooded with
messages. jd

On 7/15/20, _Phi / hpx1  wrote:
> a quick hack by overruling the css :
>
> /* === text editor size ===*/
>
> .tc-tiddler-preview {
> overflow: visible; /* to make the preview-preview on top of the sidebar
>
> */
> }
> .tc-edit-texteditor {
> max-height: 55vh; /* max height of text editor */
> overflow-y: auto;
> }
> .tc-tiddler-frame .tc-tiddler-preview .tc-edit-texteditor {
> width: 480px;  /* or try another value 50%-54% */
>   border: 1px solid #00;
> }
> .tc-edit-texteditor tc-edit-texteditor-body {
> height: 275px;
> }
> /*==the actual preview block on the right ===*/
> ! .tc-tiddler-preview-preview {
>   transform: scale(0.8); /* definbes the zoom scale */
> float: right;
> position: absolute;  /* changed from relative */
> top : 178px; /* tweak this ! try 246 px or 29% ; relative -27.5rem*/
> left :  66% ; /* if relative 30% */
> overflow : auto;
> width: 80%;
> max-width : 720px;
> max-height: 463px;
> border: 1px solid #00;
> margin: 4px 0px 3px 3px;
> padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;
> z-index: 1000;
> background : white; /* change to your theme */
> }
>
> save this in a tiddler with tag `$:/tags/StyleSheet` and type to `text/css`
> it should make the preview block look as a `floating` window on top of the
> sidebar.
> *the values should be tweaked depending on your theme*, I'm just fiddling
> with css, I didn't try to make this work in all situations.
>
> _Ph
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 11:28:38 PM UTC+2, amreus wrote:
>>
>> This is related to Mat's SideEditor, but I thought not on-topic so I
>> started a new topic.
>>
>> So would it be possible to make a "Side Preview" plugin? So instead of
>> floating a side editor, the normal editor is used but a small (tiny?),
>> live
>> preview window is floated over the sidebar when the tiddler is being
>> edited? Sort of like the preview when you hover over the Windows taskbar.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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[tw5] Re: Side Preview?

[_Phi / hpx1]

a quick hack by overruling the css :

/* === text editor size ===*/

.tc-tiddler-preview {
overflow: visible; /* to make the preview-preview on top of the sidebar 
*/ 
}
.tc-edit-texteditor {
max-height: 55vh; /* max height of text editor */
overflow-y: auto;
}
.tc-tiddler-frame .tc-tiddler-preview .tc-edit-texteditor {
width: 480px;  /* or try another value 50%-54% */
  border: 1px solid #00;
}
.tc-edit-texteditor tc-edit-texteditor-body {
height: 275px;
}
/*==the actual preview block on the right ===*/
! .tc-tiddler-preview-preview {
  transform: scale(0.8); /* definbes the zoom scale */
float: right;
position: absolute;  /* changed from relative */
top : 178px; /* tweak this ! try 246 px or 29% ; relative -27.5rem*/
left :  66% ; /* if relative 30% */
overflow : auto;
width: 80%;
max-width : 720px;
max-height: 463px; 
border: 1px solid #00;
margin: 4px 0px 3px 3px;
padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;
z-index: 1000;
background : white; /* change to your theme */
}

save this in a tiddler with tag `$:/tags/StyleSheet` and type to `text/css`
it should make the preview block look as a `floating` window on top of the 
sidebar.
*the values should be tweaked depending on your theme*, I'm just fiddling 
with css, I didn't try to make this work in all situations. 

_Ph



On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 11:28:38 PM UTC+2, amreus wrote:
>
> This is related to Mat's SideEditor, but I thought not on-topic so I 
> started a new topic. 
>
> So would it be possible to make a "Side Preview" plugin? So instead of 
> floating a side editor, the normal editor is used but a small (tiny?), live 
> preview window is floated over the sidebar when the tiddler is being 
> edited? Sort of like the preview when you hover over the Windows taskbar.
>
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Tight

[David Gifford]

Hey everyone

A couple people asked for a link to Tight, something I showed in my hangout.

It's not something I want to maintain, or entertain requests for help in 
tweaking it, so the instructions there are all you are getting. I'm not 
sure if anyone will like or use it. It was not for sharing but for me. But 
it is *probably* as close to the granular line-by-line linking in Roam that 
you can get in a TiddlyWiki. It is just a mild update to my Idea Stew 
adaptation.

https://giffmex.org/experiments/tight.empty.html 


If anyone wants to adopt it and offer it on their own site or on GitHub, be 
my guest. 

Blessings.

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Re: [tw5] TiddlyWiki Hangout #108 with David Gifford

[Jeremy Ruston]

Thanks Birthe! Much appreciated, and charmingly put,

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> On 14 Jul 2020, at 18:57, Birthe C  wrote:
> 
> Thank you so much to Jeremy and David,
> 
> Tiddlywiki is of course wonderful, but some kind of users need help seeing 
> the beauty, and David has done a lot of work showing us.
> https://www.giffmex.org/twfortherestofus.html 
>  sure helped me starting with 
> TWclassic. The link collections and all the adaptations. So much more because 
> we translated a lot of it for use on the Danish Tiddlyspace.
> An upgrade killed Danish Tiddlyspace, and I felt "homeless". it was about the 
> time TW5 was in Beta, so I started trying that out. I am not sure I really 
> felt it compensated my feeling after loosing so many TWclassic wikis, but 
> then David started creating the TW5 mall, a tutorial and much more and well 
> it kept getting harder and harder to resist.
> I remember David send Jeremy an enormous amount of questions, and then got on 
> with the work of creating wikis to show us how it could be used.
> Testing was also part of it, just look back at this thread 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/PpJsdJr99n8/ilLnbPBRdvMJ 
>  
> Jeremy surprised as the rest of us : "Bravo to Dave for trying this out - I 
> feel the same pride as though I were watching someone drive a lorry over a 
> bridge that I had carefully constructed for a horse to use."
> That sentence is what I remember every time we discuss how big a tiddlywiki 
> can be? - how many tiddlers? and all that.
> 
> Stroll is great and yet again David is the one getting many new users into 
> using Tiddlywiki, Short time ago we even saw, that his son is using 
> Tiddlywiki too. 
> I always felt that family and friends were the most difficult to get into 
> using Tiddlywi.
> 
> Thank you David for all of the above, for Stroll and for being so well 
> prepared for the hangout.
> 
> Birthe
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[tw5] Re: [ Demo ] : floating editor toolbar

[Saq Imtiaz]

@Mat:
 

> Is there a reason why you have the icons to the right of the item, rather 
> than on the left which probably would make for an even less cluttered 
> display?
>

Lack of time: since I first posted this I've only worked on the bit above 
the divider line, that is the display for what is in the toolbar.

The lower bit (Unused buttons) as of yet has not gotten any attention.

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[tw5] Re: [ Demo ] : floating editor toolbar

[Mat]

Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> the configuration UI
>

+1

IMO that should be the UI for setting toolbars in TW. The horizontal 
display of the selected tools directly reflects how they are displayed in 
the tiddler and the current use of checkboxes for these settings is an 
extra visual abstraction.

Is there a reason why you have the icons to the right of the item, rather 
than on the left which probably would make for an even less cluttered 
display?

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Side Preview?

[Mat]

I'm thinking it might be possible to split out the editor preview div 
outside of the tiddler frame.

Not sure how to make it appear smaller. I doubt it's possible to merely 
"shrink evertyhing with 50%" and get a representative visual result.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: [ Demo ] : floating editor toolbar

[Saq Imtiaz]

I've updated the configuration UI to represent the design concept I have in 
mind:

https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/floating-menu.html#config:config%20%5B%5BDraft%20of%20'RikerIpsum'%5D%5D


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[tw5] Re: Side Preview?

[Saq Imtiaz]

Are you familiar with the preview option in the default editor?



On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 11:28:38 PM UTC+2, amreus wrote:
>
> This is related to Mat's SideEditor, but I thought not on-topic so I 
> started a new topic. 
>
> So would it be possible to make a "Side Preview" plugin? So instead of 
> floating a side editor, the normal editor is used but a small (tiny?), live 
> preview window is floated over the sidebar when the tiddler is being 
> edited? Sort of like the preview when you hover over the Windows taskbar.
>
>
>
>
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[tw5] Re: New tiddlywiki, same setup

[Saq Imtiaz]

@dan have you looked at http://snowgoon88.github.io/TW5-extendedit/ ?

On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 8:40:16 AM UTC+2, danraymond wrote:
>
> Hi Eric;
>
> I was looking at this solution for Sara and realised it may help me with 
> an issue I have been trying to solve. I am a very long term TiddlyWiki 
> Classic (Thank you Jeremy!) user and am now learning the internals of TW5 
> and loving it.
>
> I am trying to develop some ZettelKasten bits so I can move away from 
> Zettlr (which is fabulous by the way worth exploring). Zettlr and other 
> similar programs offer a list of existing MD files in the same folder when 
> you type the [[ to start a link, you can select one and the link inserts or 
> ESC and type your own link details.
>
> Whilst I think its impossible to do that directly when editing a tiddler, 
> I thought I could add a toolbar button in the editor that:
> 1. produced a selectable list of existing tiddlers (similar to your 
> solution here) and
> 2. When selected inserted it in the text area of the tiddler.
>
> I am trying to modify the first part of your code to do the dropdown list 
> of tiddlers, but not sure how to have it insert the tiddler name as a [[my 
> selected tiddler]]?
>
> Can you help me please?
>
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki Hangout #108 with David Gifford

[Saq Imtiaz]

Thanks for the hangout Jeremy and David.

+1 for the need for highlighting dynanotate plugin 
I suspect most people aren't aware it even exists, let alone its potential 
for annotating notes and integration with search.
Well worth a peek at the examples tab at 
https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fdynannotate
A good demo is the e-book tiddlywiki implementation posted a while back.

With reference to TiddlyToolmap and also Streams performance, here is a 
test I did a while back with importing the toolmap into Streams:
https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams-tiddlytoolmap.html

Takeaways from this were:

   - The need for expand/collapse all buttons
   - Performance is pretty good with a large number of tiddlers
   - Performance does suffer when opening a tiddler under which you have a 
   huge number of nodes (tiddlers)e.g. the root TiddlyWiki toolmap tiddler. 
   Having the nodes collapsed at start is a workaround.
  - If you open sub nodes they load faster
  - *the performance hit comes from Streams and not TiddlyWiki itself.*
  - There shouldn't be any performance issues as long as you aren't 
  adding a very large number of nodes to a single tiddler.
   
Note however that there is a lot of room for optimizing performance in 
Streams, it is an area I haven't focused on yet. There is a lot of 
complexity that comes from enabling/disabling drag and drop based on where 
in the hierarchy you are dragging from.

Thanks,
Saq

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[tw5] Re: New tiddlywiki, same setup

[danraymond]

Hi Eric;

I was looking at this solution for Sara and realised it may help me with an 
issue I have been trying to solve. I am a very long term TiddlyWiki Classic 
(Thank you Jeremy!) user and am now learning the internals of TW5 and 
loving it.

I am trying to develop some ZettelKasten bits so I can move away from 
Zettlr (which is fabulous by the way worth exploring). Zettlr and other 
similar programs offer a list of existing MD files in the same folder when 
you type the [[ to start a link, you can select one and the link inserts or 
ESC and type your own link details.

Whilst I think its impossible to do that directly when editing a tiddler, I 
thought I could add a toolbar button in the editor that:
1. produced a selectable list of existing tiddlers (similar to your 
solution here) and
2. When selected inserted it in the text area of the tiddler.

I am trying to modify the first part of your code to do the dropdown list 
of tiddlers, but not sure how to have it insert the tiddler name as a [[my 
selected tiddler]]?

Can you help me please?

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