[tw] Re: [TW5] Support with Tabs and transclusion

2017-07-29 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
Thanks Eric. I had realized for some time that the first version never 
worked, but couldn't quite explain why.

Mark

On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 9:04:35 PM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 7:43:27 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> \define subtiddler()  <> - <>
>>
>  
> On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 12:01:26 AM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote:
>
>> \define fulltitle() $(currentTiddler)$-$(currentTab)$
>>
>
>
> The difference between the first and second example is that the first 
> syntax simply "returns" the macro content AS IS, with the expectation that 
> further parsing will be performed to evaluate <> and 
> <> values.  This is typically used if the macro output is to be 
> *rendered* (displayed) directly as wiki content.
>
> In contrast, the second syntax using $(...variablename...)$ actually 
> evaluates the variable reference and substitutes the current values before 
> "returning" the result to the calling syntax.  Thus, the second syntax does 
> not depend upon any further parsing to get the actual values.  This is 
> typically used when the macro output is to be used as a parameter value for 
> another macro or widget 
>
> Example:
>
> Suppose that the currentTiddler value is "SomeTiddler" and the currentTab 
> value is "SomeTab".
>
> The output of the first macro is literally, "<> - 
> <>", leaving any evaluation and replacement to be done later, 
> while the output of the second macro is literally "SomeTiddler - SomeTab" 
> (i.e., the macro processing does the evaluation and replacement immediately 
> and the result is then used as the value of the parameter in the <$tiddler> 
> widget.
>
> I hope this makes sense.
>
> enjoy,
> -e
> Eric Shulman
> TiddlyTools.com: "Small Tools for Big Ideas" (tm)
> InsideTiddlyWiki: The Missing Manuals
>

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[tw] Re: I don't want zoom in zoom out button my andtiwiki on android

2017-07-29 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
It disappears after about 3 seconds.

Mark

On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 8:08:09 PM UTC-7, Iam talker wrote:
>
> I want to use tiddlywiki5 in andtidwiki on android. but I don't want zoom 
> in ,zoom out button. how could I remove this things from wiki? 
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Support with Tabs and transclusion

2017-07-29 Thread TonyM
Eris,

It makes sense,

Thanks

On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 2:04:35 PM UTC+10, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 7:43:27 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> \define subtiddler()  <> - <>
>>
>  
> On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 12:01:26 AM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote:
>
>> \define fulltitle() $(currentTiddler)$-$(currentTab)$
>>
>
>
> The difference between the first and second example is that the first 
> syntax simply "returns" the macro content AS IS, with the expectation that 
> further parsing will be performed to evaluate <> and 
> <> values.  This is typically used if the macro output is to be 
> *rendered* (displayed) directly as wiki content.
>
> In contrast, the second syntax using $(...variablename...)$ actually 
> evaluates the variable reference and substitutes the current values before 
> "returning" the result to the calling syntax.  Thus, the second syntax does 
> not depend upon any further parsing to get the actual values.  This is 
> typically used when the macro output is to be used as a parameter value for 
> another macro or widget 
>
> Example:
>
> Suppose that the currentTiddler value is "SomeTiddler" and the currentTab 
> value is "SomeTab".
>
> The output of the first macro is literally, "<> - 
> <>", leaving any evaluation and replacement to be done later, 
> while the output of the second macro is literally "SomeTiddler - SomeTab" 
> (i.e., the macro processing does the evaluation and replacement immediately 
> and the result is then used as the value of the parameter in the <$tiddler> 
> widget.
>
> I hope this makes sense.
>
> enjoy,
> -e
> Eric Shulman
> TiddlyTools.com: "Small Tools for Big Ideas" (tm)
> InsideTiddlyWiki: The Missing Manuals
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Support with Tabs and transclusion

2017-07-29 Thread TonyM
Mark,

I am not sure why I reverted your example as well, Thanks that works, arghh

TonyM

On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 1:44:43 PM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote:
>
> I'm not sure why you reverted my example. Using macros within macros has 
> proven unreliable to me, though I'm sure some of the gurus know exactly 
> when it will work if they would ever explain it.
>
> In any event, when I reverted to my example, and used (as the tabs 
> template, but it worked just as well pasting into individual tabs), it 
> seemed to work fine.
>
> I've attached my sample. After importing, open TabVars and as you'll see 
> the contents of the tiddler specified by the concatenated name gets 
> transcluded. 
>
> Good luck!
> Mark
>
>
> On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 7:43:27 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Mark s,
>>
>> Thanks for the suggestion, its appreciated. I did go down that path, but 
>> I tried again, the template "subTiddlerView" now reads;
>>
>> \define subtiddler()  <> - <>
>>
>> <$tiddler tiddler=<>>
>> <$transclude mode="block" />
>> 
>>
>>
>> <>
>>
>> Unfortunately this still does not work, both <> and 
>> $(currentTab)$ give the required tiddler name when used/displayed and the 
>> latter macro <> works as required, but 
>> nothing I seem to throw at the transclude seems to work. I have had it 
>>  working in another case where I use the tab 
>> filter  "[prefix[$(currentTiddler)$ - ]] +[sort[]]" to display the existing 
>> (only) subtiddlers tiddlers.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 12:01:26 AM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> What you're trying to do is concatenate text and pass it to a 
>>> transclusion. Almost always when you want to concatenate you need a macro. 
>>> It might be something as simple as:
>>>
>>> \define fulltitle() $(currentTiddler)$-$(currentTab)$
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 3:01:48 AM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:

 Hi Folks,

 Im stumped. Some help would be appreciated.

 I have some tabs, generated using the content of a field !!objecttabs

 <$set name=objecttablist value={{!!objecttabs}}>

 @@.tabsstyle
 
 <>
 
 @@

 

 I am using the template parameter in tabs and this is my template 
 "subTiddlerView"

 !<> - <>

 <$tiddler tiddler=<>>
 <$transclude mode="block" />
 

 <>

 Because of the way I generated the Tab list <> does not 
 have the full name of the tiddlers I wish to transclude.
  "<> - <>" does display the name of the 
 tiddlers I wish to Transclude.
 The subsequent macro works with $(currentTab)$ = to the original items 
 in the original tiddlers field.

 Yet I have no idea how to pass "<> - <>" as 
 the tiddler name into a transclusion? such that the tiddlers content 
 apears 
 in the tab.

 Thanks in Advance
 TonyM




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[tw] I don't want zoom in zoom out button my andtiwiki on android

2017-07-29 Thread Iam talker
I want to use tiddlywiki5 in andtidwiki on android. but I don't want zoom 
in ,zoom out button. how could I remove this things from wiki? 

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[tw] NEWBIE HERE! QUESTION ABOUT JAVASCRIPT/ADDING SLIDESHOW OF IMAGES

2017-07-29 Thread TonyM
Dear newbie,

Integrating standard HTML and java script into tw is possible and a worthy 
effort but I recommend it only for simple solutions until you get the way tw 
works. It would serve you better to search for the adaptions or plugins with 
"tiddlywiki presentations" or slideshow review those implementations to see if 
they meet your needs and if you are more interested in the learning 
opportunities reverse engineer those adaptions, plugins.

Some great solutions exist using the tiddler tool bar open in new window, for 
the list index of slides and a full screen browser window. There are different 
tiddler types that may support html better and other ways to approach this 
including IFrames and more.

Welcome to the community.

Regards
Tonym

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[tw] Re: PART TWO: The infinite lightness of not-paying-anyone

2017-07-29 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao TonyM & ohers interested...

TonyM wrote:
>
> This has being discussed in the past, Eric Shulman raised some money by 
> crowd source for some documentation in the past. 
>

The problem there was I don't think Eric ever got enough money to finish 
the project. There was no output. That is part of the issue: matching money 
to requirement. 

TW is amazingly productive. BUT I DO NOT think ANY of us really grasp how 
FEW people are really active. Its an Elephant not in the room enough. 
 

> There is always a degree of complexity in these questions given the strong 
> "open source" nature of tiddlywiki. 
>

"Open source" is a very rich field now. Some larger projects do get 
financial support congruent with needs. TW is a small project. It deserves 
to be much bigger. That is a Catch 22 its caught in. i think that is a big 
reason why money is not so discussed. Its potentially divisive.
 

> ... two areas where it may be helpful to allow/promote financial 
> recompense;
>
 
>
1 - Work on tiddlywiki or a necessary plugin for and on behalf of the 
> community
>
 
I agree. In my previous post I refereed to Arlen's work as important 
because its basic to future saving. I consider it a class case of need 
deserving support, especially as he asks for it (PayPal Account).
 

> 2 - When an adaption is created by a TiddlyWiki enthusiast/developer for a 
> third party to do work or to meet a need ...
>

This is more complicated. In terms of actual things I USE I'd say Thomas 
Elmiger helped me most so far. But there are many people who have and do 
everyday, reliably, too. I don't think any of them are seeking money. 

But a fund for "between jobs I'll work on TW" is not such a bad idea.

>From another angle, its an interesting question I can approach like this: *IF 
a YEAR AGO I had been able to get anyone interested (I tried) to code FOR 
ME, I would have paid for it. *

In the long run it would have been CHEAPER for me to pay 1,000 Euro than 
spend the hours & weeks I've had to spend working out what is now to me the 
bleeding obvious.

Best wishes
Josiah  

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[tw] Re: PART TWO: The infinite lightness of not-paying-anyone

2017-07-29 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao Mat e tutti,

TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> Is ANYONE getting paid here?
>>
>  
Mat replied:

> Paid for what? Paid by whom? Are you asking if there's anyone selling 
> services, to "the real world", that involve TW? 
>

No. Because they'd already be stepping towards Zone 3 & don't need help. 
 

> Jeremy is a professional JS developer (maybe I'm using the wrong label 
> here) and I know he tries to involve TW when possible, of course. (We 
> probably have much to thank for this as it gives him opportunity to create 
> TW stuff while getting paid.)
>

Very much so. He's fully in Zone 3.
 

> Commercially, fellow member Siniy-Kit has his webshop fully built in TW, 
> which I guess can be seen as "getting paid" in some sense.
>

That's a great commercial success with Tupperware, flowers and other stuff. 
He's well in Zone 3.
  

> The thing otherwise is that "getting paid" typically requires *selling*. 
> So, the question is probably better phrased as; "Is anyone here *selling* 
> their TW services/competence and/or any product/service made in TW?"
>

I probably phrased my question incorrectly. It wasn't about Zone 3.

*It was about Zones 2 and 1.*

Zone 2 is not commercial. Its about supporting essential ENABLEMENT 
developments. Come next June Arlen's TiddlyServer may be a big part of the 
TW functional map. Arlen is bold enough to request donations. Money well 
sent, IMO. 

 *Donate to Arlen here*: PAYPAL - ARLEN . 


You could, of course, push him to into Zone 3 by ignoring Zone 2, which 
would mean easy use of TW at NO cost would end as access to free saving 
that would need to be paid for. Arlen could charge you per save if he 
wanted.

*Maybe no one yet is fully realising that simple file saving in Firefox and 
Chrome will END as things stand. IMO it would be best to financially 
SUPPORT workable alternatives using Zone 2-ers.*

Giving to Zone 2 makes sense. (a) its FOR something concrete & important; 
(b) it helps cement a relationship so that the recipient wants to deliver 
because they feel materially valued  for the work they do. 

You can always ask me about what is Zone 1? ... since you are probably in 
it :-).

Best wishes
Happy holidays
Josiah

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[tw] Re: the infinite lightness of non-co-ordination on MONEY

2017-07-29 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
I have NO brain for JS. 

I know what the outcome should LOOK like. But how to get there is a mystery 
to me.

What I am going to do is try to bring together examples of things already 
made that are very close to see if they can be tweaked. Some have been 
close.

Best wishes
Josiah

PMario wrote:
>
> There are several libraries, that can work with money. ... 
>
>  - http://mathjs.org/ .. full featured .. relatively big
>  - https://www.npmjs.com/package/money-math  ... basic and small
>

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[tw] Re: the infinite lightness of non-co-ordination on MONEY

2017-07-29 Thread PMario
On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 3:53:06 PM UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao PMario
>
> Right.
>
> Ich habe solche Komplikationen gesehen. Sie sind verwirrend :-).
>

There are several libraries, that can work with money. ... 

eg:

 - http://mathjs.org/ .. full featured .. relatively big
 - https://www.npmjs.com/package/money-math  ... basic and small

-m

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[tw] Re: the infinite lightness of non-co-ordination on MONEY

2017-07-29 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao Mark S.

I did stumble on Mathcell before. I found it very interesting but not 
useable in the idiot mode I need to stick with on cash ledgers.

I should maybe list what I looked at already? 

The accounts ledger thing is something I been hoping for a simple solution 
to for a long time. 

Most every solution I looked at does strange algebraic things :-). 

I don't need higher math. Just addition, subtraction and (luxury add on) 
compound division to two decimal points. Full stop.

Josiah

Mark S. wrote:
>
> http://mathcell.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> Spreadsheet and math engine abilities, though maybe not as easy as Lotus 
> 123 (remember that?).
>

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[tw] Re: the infinite lightness of non-co-ordination on MONEY

2017-07-29 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao PMario

Right.

Ich habe solche Komplikationen gesehen. Sie sind verwirrend.

Josiah

PMario wrote:
>
> Working with money is a bit problematic ...
>
 

> The following example is a systemic problem ...
>
>  - open http://mathcell.tiddlyspot.com/#Excel%20Like%20Table
>  - enter: 0.1   into B1
>  - enter: 0.2   into B2
>  - C1 should show: 0.02   ... but it shows 0.020004
>  - B3 should show 0.3 (B1 + B2) ... but it doesn't 
>
> That's not really, what you expect. right?
>
>
>

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[tw] NEWBIE HERE! QUESTION ABOUT JAVASCRIPT/ADDING SLIDESHOW OF IMAGES

2017-07-29 Thread aloysiusdallenalli
Ok, first things first - English is not my mother tongue and I'm new to 
TiddlyWiki and html/css coding or whatever programming language there is. 
SO, I'm really asking you guys to be very, very, very, very, very patient 
with me because I'm having this problem for several weeks now and I can't 
seem to get any solution from the internet or from various groups and 
tutorials that TiddlyWiki have in Youtube or... wherever. Basically, I'm 
asking for directions here,

ANYWAY, here's what I'm trying to achieve : Creating a slideshow of images.

I've tried doing it in a simple .html file (notepad/dreamweaver) and used 
several of html codes/css tutorials i found in www.w3schools.com and I've 
got no problem of any kind while doing so. And I thought it was a good idea 
to try those html codes in TiddlyWiki. 
Sad part is, I can't seem to do it.

I'm trying to put some Jscript in an individual tiddler with the html/css 
codes i copied from www.w3schools.com (slideshows, specifically) and I read 
back in some threads that TiddlyWiki doesn't allow execution of such codes 
for security purposes. Now, I've read in some articles that there's a way 
to make simple javascript happen in TIddlyWiki - which is something you 
guys probably know already - and tried "enabling" the script tags using 
this link > http://fiddle.tiddlyspot.com 
.
 
Tobias Beer was the one who mentioned it in one of his comments and I knew 
that when I imported it to my own wiki it worked, because there's this pop 
up message appearing at the top of the page every time i clicked on the new 
tiddler where i pasted the command saying like "caution: do not use 
lightly!"

I found a semblance of hope when that little alert message revealed itself 
to me and thought it was going to fix the problem and I saved my wiki first 
and reloaded it many times just to make sure I have everything refreshed 
and tried again. This time i followed the instructions from how to enable 
jscript in TiddlyWiki and made some changes: 

<

[tw] Re: PART TWO: The infinite lightness of not-paying-anyone

2017-07-29 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao all ...

Stef wrote:
>
> I often wondered whether a paid TiddlyWiki hosting service might work? 
> Like TiddlySpot (which is, thankfully, free), but with https, a better user 
> interface and maybe some nice extra features. 
>

Yes. COMMERCIAL applications of the hosting type might be a runner. Your 
post party reflects what Lost Admin also commented ...

Lost Admin wrote: 
> ... I am reasonably sure that Danielo envisions a service, built around 
> his NoteSelf version of Tiddlywiki, that would compete with the likes of 
> Evernote or Onenote. 
> After I realized how NoteSelf actually worked, I hoped to create a 
> fully functioning demo of that same concept...


This is not exactly what I was meaning, but my post was probably somewhat 
unclear. AND, these are good points, I feel worth absorbing. 

Best wishes
Josiah 

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[tw] Re: TiddlySmile ...

2017-07-29 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
We received an email query from April Mackenzie ...

Dear TiddlyTweeter

Can you tell me how many people are working on TiddlyWiki?
I need to know for my dissertation: *Effort to Impact Ratios*.

Yours
April Mackenzie 
Oxford College, Sydney 


We replied ...

Dear April

There are five people and an intelligent cat working on TiddlyWiki. Each 
has ten aliases.  It looks like fifty--plus the cat. Its actually quite an 
effective strategy. 

TW's dependency on small numbers of very keen people could be an issue, but 
its history shows otherwise. For your thesis you might want to note that.

Regards,
TiddlyTweeter

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