date:20190111

Apologies for the long post that follows. I actually wrote most of this
earlier, to focus myself on the proper way forward for TiddlyWiki's
Documentation.

The thoughts below have come into focus while spending spare time reviewing
documentation for TiddlyWiki over the past couple of months.

I find I now need to step back and ask myself these questions about the
Beginner's level documentation instructions being written:

- Who is the target of these instructions?
- What technical level should be assumed of them?
- How can the present site be used to get the "right-target" new visitor
to start quickly and try out a few things?
- Not get stuck and frustrated and leave thinking this is not a fully
developed and documented program?
- How can I write instructions that allow readers to:
- become comfortable with the naming conventions
- get familiar with the underlying infrastructure and quirks of the
program
- quickly find and use the right tools the right way for their task
- gain insights for use in their own creations

To answer them, I realize I first have to try and understand exactly what
TiddlyWiki is and isn't. There are lots of serious, candid, and even comic
posts in Google Groups to give me clues, and I have tried to absorb them.

What I see as a "core" strength of TiddlyWiki is that it gives the
infrastructure and the tools to make "solutions".

As many programmers of integrated systems might quickly learn, there is no
- "one size fits all" - out of the box - "solution". There are just too
many scenarios and user's personal needs and desires to be taken into
account.

So, if my understanding is in the right direction, what goes into the
"core" of TiddlyWiki - should be either - "infrastructure" or "tools" - for
creating solutions.

I came to this understanding while looking at the Table of Content macros
when creating Documentation for Beginners. It has caused me to believe that
these macros are actually "plugin" material. In essence they are not
"platform" or "tools." I imagine similarly that, though I have never used
it, the whole Journal system is the same. They are both "user-solutions."

To change tack now, the first post in this thread

starts with looking at how other programs are "doing it" ; that inevitably
leads towards the notion of "Marketing" TiddlyWiki. As I have noticed, this
usually leads to creating "user-solutions."

Since most any part of TiddlyWiki can be "programmed" and customised, one
will have a limitless number of "solutions." It takes a lot of time,
effort, and testing, to make comprehensive - end user friendly "solutions."
Something as "seemingly" simple as the Table of Contents macros, that have
been in use for years, still have noticeable issues
.

Thus, out of the necessity of keeping TiddlyWiki maintainable, it should
make sense that "ready-made end user-solutions" released in empty.html are
kept to the absolute minimum, else continuous tweaking (followed by
testing) to satisfy users' needs, may soon become unmanageable for the
development volunteers.

Now, back to the Documentation issue.

The user-base for TiddlyWiki's Documentation should perhaps not include the
vast majority - namely those who are unable (such as through lack of
skills, motivation, time) to set up and personalize it for their own ends.

Instead it should focus only on those who already have some basic
programming skills, and also the inclination, ability, and time, to use
TiddlyWiki to create solutions for themselves and others.

Helping those *who are able* to create personal or "end-user-solutions" on
their own - and who need insight from the knowledge base of regular users,
could be considered as a key target. Trying to create documentation that
entices those looking for "ready-made" solutions, but unable or unwilling
to "play the TiddlyWiki" game - seems pointless.

It may be wise to accept that actual creation of ready made solutions is a
branch separate from the venture of core TiddlyWiki.

It may then also be wise that Documentation should be written with the
purpose of luring this "right user-base", and structured so as to entrap
them into this fascinating TiddlyWorld we share.

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[tw5] Re: Useful Lessons from the "Competition"

Diego,

Even a code mirror and visual editor setups would make usefull editions however 
a toc and a few other features for managing, Notating and commenting on 
tiddlers would help, and this could be common to editor editions.

Always with a reminder of the ability to configure and enhance.

Tony

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[tw5] Re: uni-link plugin - displaying a subtitle or caption below the tiddler's title

A small suggestion.

The tiddler's *title* field is meant to display as normal (raw) text.

Displaying the *title* like this is fine:

<$view field="title"/>

However the *caption* field is generally displayed as wikified (and so can 
include formatting etc.) 

Ref Github Issue 3624 


It would be better to use:


<$transclude field="caption"/>
 

Cheers.


On Saturday, January 12, 2019 at 2:52:56 AM UTC+7, R² wrote:
>
> Thanks a lot Jed! Problem solved after a few tweaks in my first steps :)
>
> Let me recap this for other newbies...
>
> *Basic tutorial: how to display a uni-link plugin caption below the title 
> in your tiddlers*.
>
> (1) (a) Create a new tiddler called $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/caption as 
> you will be aiming to redefine part of the core user interface in an 
> upgrade-friendly way thanks to this new custom tiddler.
>
> (b) Add the $:/tags/ViewTemplate tag to the tiddler. This is a "system 
> tag", ie. a tag that will give special behaviour to the tiddler. The 
> $:/tags/ViewTemplate system tag defines the new custom tiddler as being a 
> "view template" — in other words, you'll be changing the core user 
> interface's display.
>
> (c) Add a new field called *list-after* to this tiddler (don't forget the 
> hyphen as I did initially!) with the following field value: 
> $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/title. The *list-after* field has a tiddler title 
> as its place, and places the current tiddler just before the tiddler 
> specified in that field. Here, we are aiming to make uni-link plugin's 
> caption field appear just after the core title field. To place the caption 
> field after the date subtitle instead, simply put 
> $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/subtitle here or $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/tags to 
> place it after the tags for instance.
>
> (d) The custom tiddler could then be populated with the following content 
> for instance (keeping it simple with no additional  header):
>
> 
> <$view field="caption"/>
> 
>
>
> This basically specifies that the *caption* field should be displayed in 
> a HTML  container called tc-tiddler-caption. This will be useful in 
> the next step to create a tc-tiddler-caption CSS stylesheet that will allow 
> us to manipulate the style of the caption.
>
> (2) (a) Create a new tiddler called tc-tiddler-caption for the purpose of 
> hosting the intended CSS stylesheet.
>
> (b) We are going to make this into a CSS class so we need to add the 
> following tag: $:/tags/Stylesheet. It is also best to indicate the type 
> of this tiddler as being *text/css*.
>
> (c) Finally add your desired CSS. I used the following:
>
> .tc-tiddler-caption {
> font-style: italic;
> color: dimgrey;
> font-size: 180%;
> line-height:180%;
> }
>
>
> Voilà ! You should now have your custom-formatted caption just were you 
> wanted it :)
>
> R²
>

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[tw5] Re: The best of JavaScript, HTML and CSS

The website's About page says:



*How it worksFirst, a list of projects related to the web platform 
(JavaScript of course but also HTML and CSS) is stored in a database.*

I do not know for sure if "*projects related to the web platform*" applies 
to TiddlyWiki or not. I thought it might.
Ghost  might be considered a product - and it is listed.

If TiddlyWiki does qualify, I don't know what tags may apply!

Here's a completely uneducated guess: 
Blog
CMS
Desktop app
HTML & text parsing
HTML template
Serverless
Static site generator

If someone feels they can make a submission, there should be no harm opening 
an issue 

 
on their github site. 


On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 10:58:09 PM UTC+7, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Most everything I see there are frameworks and libraries for JS -- not 
> actual products like TW. It's more like "best tools for using JS" than 
> "best things made from JS".
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 4:18:16 AM UTC-8, S. S. wrote:
>>
>>
>> I am wondering why TiddlyWiki is not listed here: https://bestofjs.org/
>>
>> And if it were listed, which TAGS used in that site would be placed on a 
>> TiddlyWiki listing.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

Linux. Bob Timey Wimey.

When I try to run one of my existing data folders I get a series of yellow
404 messages similar to:

syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - 21:38:31 11 1 2019

XMLHttpRequest error code:
404

syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - 21:38:33 11 1 2019

Sync error while processing '$:/StoryList
': XMLHttpRequest
error code: 404

Sync error while processing '$:/EditionsList
': XMLHttpRequest
error code: 404

syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - 21:38:33 11 1 2019

Sync error while processing '$:/Bob/VisibleConfigurationTabs
':
XMLHttpRequest error code:
404

They reference tiddlers that are not part of the target TW project, so must
be an artefact of Bob.

I've tried clearing out the wikiindex and starting over. I've renamed
existing paths so none of them have "wikis" in them. I've checked the
contents of the data folder directories. I can't see anything wrong.

Is there a way to run Bob at the command line with better error messages?

Thank you,

Mark

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[tw5] Re: How do I get this javascript working?

2019-01-11 Thread Tiddly Novice

I thought I had, but it turns out I hadn't. Fixed now. Thanks.

On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 7:08:43 PM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>
> With javascript macros you don't need $:/tags/Macro
>
> But you do need to set the module-type field to "macro". Did you do that?
>
> It worked fine when I tested it.
>
> Good luck
> -- Mark
>
> On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 6:27:44 PM UTC-8, Tiddly Novice wrote:
>>
>> I'm trying to use the javascript macro provided here: (
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/E3iJ0HDtPKk/RY5jsxeakncJ)
>>
>> The code for the Javascript seems to break the code formatting button for 
>> posting here. So here's the code without the code syntax button getting 
>> used:
>>
>> /*\
>> title: $:/_my/macros/setlowercase.js
>> type: application/javascript
>> module-type: macro
>>
>> Macro to set a text string to lower case
>> \*/
>> (function(){
>>
>> /*jslint node: true, browser: true */
>> /*global $tw: false */
>> "use strict";
>>
>> /*
>> Information about this macro
>> */
>> exports.name = "setlowercase";
>>
>> exports.params = [
>>  {name: "title"}
>> ];
>>
>> /*
>> Run the macro
>> */
>> exports.run = function(title) {
>>  return title.toLowerCase();
>> };
>>
>> })();
>>
>>
>> Here's the code for the tiddler I'm using to test it:
>>
>> \define setbutton()
>> <$button set="Test1!!somefield" setTo="$(setsort)$" >Set
>> \end
>> \define newone(ttext)
>> <$set name="setsort" value=<> >
>> <>
>> 
>> \end
>>
>> <>
>>
>>
>> I put the javascript into its own javascript typed tiddler and tagged it 
>> with the $:/tags/Macros tag. I saved and reloaded.
>>
>>
>> But I can't seem to get the javascript to work. When I press the button, the 
>> target field ends up empty. What's going wrong?
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Useful Lessons from the "Competition"

2019-01-11 Thread Diego Mesa

I mentioned something similar in another related thread:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywikidev/GN--K_hYI-c/PVQdChI-AwAJ

"We can even imagine simplifying while expanding the supported editions of 
TW:

   1. Bare-Bones
   2. Feature Rich
  - Comes loaded with many plugins making it easier for new users to 
  "get started". 
  3. Niche:
  - Writer
  - Student/Researcher
  - Dungeon Master/Gamer
  - etc. - These will probably just differ in *style*/pre-loaded 
  content, not really functionality. 
   
This has turned into a great thread! Thank you all for your useful and 
thoughtful comments. Let's keep the discussion going! 

Diego

On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 8:41:35 PM UTC-6, TonyM wrote:
>
> Adam,
>
> I do think "Editions" is the appropriate way to "package" such "Canned" 
> solutions. We need to add some editions and promote them more directly.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Saturday, January 12, 2019 at 5:31:00 AM UTC+11, AdamS wrote:
>>
>> I think Dave's point goes beyond example TWs. I don't think the TW 
>> community is lacking there. There are some amazing and exotic examples 
>> floating around. If I'm understanding Dave's point correctly, we should 
>> have "empty" TWs available that are roughly optimized for certain tasks. 
>> They come pre-loaded with some basic plugins particular to that task and 
>> maybe there's an easily available list that has suggestions and links to 
>> other plugins that are associated with that task.
>>
>> So if someone is new to TW wants to use TW for note-taking for school, 
>> they just hit the link and get an edition with a couple plugins for notes. 
>> If they want a TW for writing, there's another one to download, etc.
>>
>> I think Dave's idea would go a fair ways to reducing some of the 
>> activation energy.
>>
>>
>> Another thing that would help would be a WYSIWYG editor. As a newbie who 
>> originally came to TW for writing, I found the plaintext editor very 
>> offputting. I almost went to WordPress just on account of that. I know we 
>> have the ckeditor plugin available, but something native to TW might help.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Adam
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: How do I get this javascript working?

With javascript macros you don't need $:/tags/Macro

But you do need to set the module-type field to "macro". Did you do that?

It worked fine when I tested it.

Good luck
-- Mark

On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 6:27:44 PM UTC-8, Tiddly Novice wrote:
>
> I'm trying to use the javascript macro provided here: (
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/E3iJ0HDtPKk/RY5jsxeakncJ)
>
> The code for the Javascript seems to break the code formatting button for 
> posting here. So here's the code without the code syntax button getting 
> used:
>
> /*\
> title: $:/_my/macros/setlowercase.js
> type: application/javascript
> module-type: macro
>
> Macro to set a text string to lower case
> \*/
> (function(){
>
> /*jslint node: true, browser: true */
> /*global $tw: false */
> "use strict";
>
> /*
> Information about this macro
> */
> exports.name = "setlowercase";
>
> exports.params = [
>   {name: "title"}
> ];
>
> /*
> Run the macro
> */
> exports.run = function(title) {
>   return title.toLowerCase();
> };
>
> })();
>
>
> Here's the code for the tiddler I'm using to test it:
>
> \define setbutton()
> <$button set="Test1!!somefield" setTo="$(setsort)$" >Set
> \end
> \define newone(ttext)
> <$set name="setsort" value=<> >
> <>
> 
> \end
>
> <>
>
>
> I put the javascript into its own javascript typed tiddler and tagged it with 
> the $:/tags/Macros tag. I saved and reloaded.
>
>
> But I can't seem to get the javascript to work. When I press the button, the 
> target field ends up empty. What's going wrong?
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Useful Lessons from the "Competition"

Adam,

I do think "Editions" is the appropriate way to "package" such "Canned" 
solutions. We need to add some editions and promote them more directly.

Regards
Tony

On Saturday, January 12, 2019 at 5:31:00 AM UTC+11, AdamS wrote:
>
> I think Dave's point goes beyond example TWs. I don't think the TW 
> community is lacking there. There are some amazing and exotic examples 
> floating around. If I'm understanding Dave's point correctly, we should 
> have "empty" TWs available that are roughly optimized for certain tasks. 
> They come pre-loaded with some basic plugins particular to that task and 
> maybe there's an easily available list that has suggestions and links to 
> other plugins that are associated with that task.
>
> So if someone is new to TW wants to use TW for note-taking for school, 
> they just hit the link and get an edition with a couple plugins for notes. 
> If they want a TW for writing, there's another one to download, etc.
>
> I think Dave's idea would go a fair ways to reducing some of the 
> activation energy.
>
>
> Another thing that would help would be a WYSIWYG editor. As a newbie who 
> originally came to TW for writing, I found the plaintext editor very 
> offputting. I almost went to WordPress just on account of that. I know we 
> have the ckeditor plugin available, but something native to TW might help.
>
> Best wishes,
> Adam
>

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[tw5] How do I get this javascript working?

2019-01-11 Thread Tiddly Novice

I'm trying to use the javascript macro provided here: 
(https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/E3iJ0HDtPKk/RY5jsxeakncJ)

The code for the Javascript seems to break the code formatting button for 
posting here. So here's the code without the code syntax button getting 
used:

/*\
title: $:/_my/macros/setlowercase.js
type: application/javascript
module-type: macro

Macro to set a text string to lower case
\*/
(function(){

/*jslint node: true, browser: true */
/*global $tw: false */
"use strict";

/*
Information about this macro
*/
exports.name = "setlowercase";

exports.params = [
{name: "title"}
];

/*
Run the macro
*/
exports.run = function(title) {
return title.toLowerCase();
};

})();


Here's the code for the tiddler I'm using to test it:

\define setbutton()
<$button set="Test1!!somefield" setTo="$(setsort)$" >Set
\end
\define newone(ttext)
<$set name="setsort" value=<> >
<>

\end

<>


I put the javascript into its own javascript typed tiddler and tagged it with 
the $:/tags/Macros tag. I saved and reloaded.


But I can't seem to get the javascript to work. When I press the button, the 
target field ends up empty. What's going wrong?

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[tw5] Re: Multiple TddlyWiki's and Browser Tab Management

Example - use for Quick Access to Multiple locations in a Wiki

;TiddlyWiki.com key information
:https://tiddlywiki.com/#Filter%20Operators; target=tiddlywiki>
Filter Operators
:https://tiddlywiki.com/#Widgets; target=tiddlywiki>Widgets
:https://tiddlywiki.com/#Messages; target=tiddlywiki>Messages
:https://tiddlywiki.com/#WikiText; target=tiddlywiki>Wiki Text
:https://tiddlywiki.com/#SystemTags; target=tiddlywiki>SystemTags

Place the above in a tiddler, want TiddlyWiki.com info without too many 
windows?

Each time you click one of these it open the same tab, with the selected 
tiddler AND keeps the previous open.

Real Cool if you ask me.

Tony

On Saturday, January 12, 2019 at 12:41:26 PM UTC+11, TonyM wrote:
>
> Josiah,
>
> Bob protects you from the effect of the same wiki opening in many tabs if 
> they are bob wikis. Bob does not stop you opening the same wiki in multiple 
> tabs. The solution I proposed does.
>
> In fact this solution could even work for bob, tiddlyserver and timimi 
> files all at once in the same browser as long as the target of the link is 
> set the same. By using a shortname of each wiki as the target name this 
> works, want to spawn an additional tab use open in new tab/window.
>
> Lets call these named tabs. If you open a wiki in a named tab from such a 
> link, try and open it again, it will simply reload the named tab. This is 
> also true if you move the named tab to its own window, it will reload the 
> window and focus on it. 
>
> So you could have multple wikis windows and tabs open and give them focus 
> as needed from a single or multiple directories.
>
> Personaly I do not like searching for a particular open tab or window (I 
> use 3 screens) when I can just choose the wikiname. If searching you may 
> need to check all windows so you do not open it twice.
>
> Now the value of this is of course related to your workflow, your windows 
> and tab management practices, the number you have open etc...
>
> I expect this tip may meaningless to some and meaningfull to others like 
> myself. And regardless all may benifit from learning you can use named tabs 
> when nessasary.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

2019-01-11 Thread Riz

Hi Jed, 

If you have an android phone, can you test it on termux? I need to make sure 
that it is not an issue of my setup.  I did a fresh install from scratch with 
the following commands

git clone --depth=1 --branch v5.1.18 
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5.git 
git clone --depth=1 https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Bob.git 
TiddlyWiki5/plugins/OokTech/Bob 
mkdir TiddlyWiki5/Wikis 
cp -r TiddlyWiki5/plugins/OokTech/Bob/MultiUserWiki TiddlyWiki5/Wikis/BobWiki/
cd TiddlyWiki5 node ./tiddlywiki.js Wikis/BobWiki --wsserver 

I didn't change any setting. I got the same error as before. 


sincerely,
Riz

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[tw5] Re: Multiple TddlyWiki's and Browser Tab Management

Josiah,

Bob protects you from the effect of the same wiki opening in many tabs if they
are bob wikis. Bob does not stop you opening the same wiki in multiple tabs.
The solution I proposed does.

In fact this solution could even work for bob, tiddlyserver and timimi files
all at once in the same browser as long as the target of the link is set the
same. By using a shortname of each wiki as the target name this works, want to
spawn an additional tab use open in new tab/window.

Lets call these named tabs. If you open a wiki in a named tab from such a link,
try and open it again, it will simply reload the named tab. This is also true
if you move the named tab to its own window, it will reload the window and
focus on it.

So you could have multple wikis windows and tabs open and give them focus as
needed from a single or multiple directories.

Personaly I do not like searching for a particular open tab or window (I use 3
screens) when I can just choose the wikiname. If searching you may need to
check all windows so you do not open it twice.

Now the value of this is of course related to your workflow, your windows and
tab management practices, the number you have open etc...

I expect this tip may meaningless to some and meaningfull to others like
myself. And regardless all may benifit from learning you can use named tabs
when nessasary.

Regards
Tony

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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Discord Server

2019-01-11 Thread Reece Shaw

Hey Jack,

Another person reached out actually about this. I'm going to redistribute
when I get home and parse it down a bit I think.

I also am to a fault, neurotic in how I organize things...

 Please see my copied response:

Hey Mario!

I've actually segmented the channels in a manner that I think would be
useful for specific topics as someone who is pretty new to utilizing TW,
CSS and HTML.

Large discord populations become confusing with multiple people having
separate conversations so I thought it might be useful to break it out
based on each coding language/approach because information relating to HTML
won't really be relevant to someone who is asking about how to use
tiddlywiki widgets.

General and off-topic could probably go but I mostly created those off
handedly thinking that general would be related to TW and off topic would
be like what's your favorite ice cream or your favorite ruleset of D

The workshop is supposed to be for specific code assistance. Like someone
asking how to format a filter or table for instance.

The text channels are not for the most part related to TW but the server,
except for TW resources but I should probably move that to the TW corner.

I've been meaning to pin messages of intended use for each channel in each
channel's pinned messages but haven't had a ton of time to reformat lately.

I appreciate the feedback, I'll look at reorganizing to segment it a bit
better so there's less clutter. If you're ever interested in helping admin
you can always let me know here or PM me on discord.

Thanks,
-Reece

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 2:48 PM Jack Baty  I just joined, thanks for setting up the server. I love the idea!
>
> That said, my first impression was one of being a bit overwhelmed. I feel
> that you may have done a bit of premature optimization with the channels
> :). Do you think it would helpful, especially for newcomers, to reduce the
> number of channels to a minimum (like 3 or 4 of them) until there actually
> is a noise problem? (Although too much noise would be a great problem to
> have!).
>
> I'm new to discord but of the many Slack teams I'm on, there are only a
> couple that could use *more* channels. Most would benefit from fewer.
>
> Jack
>
>
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[tw5] Re: uni-link plugin - displaying a subtitle or caption below the tiddler's title

2019-01-11 Thread Diego Mesa

This should be part of the core!!!

On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 1:52:56 PM UTC-6, R² wrote:
>
> Thanks a lot Jed! Problem solved after a few tweaks in my first steps :)
>
> Let me recap this for other newbies...
>
> *Basic tutorial: how to display a uni-link plugin caption below the title 
> in your tiddlers*.
>
> (1) (a) Create a new tiddler called $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/caption as 
> you will be aiming to redefine part of the core user interface in an 
> upgrade-friendly way thanks to this new custom tiddler.
>
> (b) Add the $:/tags/ViewTemplate tag to the tiddler. This is a "system 
> tag", ie. a tag that will give special behaviour to the tiddler. The 
> $:/tags/ViewTemplate system tag defines the new custom tiddler as being a 
> "view template" — in other words, you'll be changing the core user 
> interface's display.
>
> (c) Add a new field called *list-after* to this tiddler (don't forget the 
> hyphen as I did initially!) with the following field value: 
> $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/title. The *list-after* field has a tiddler title 
> as its place, and places the current tiddler just before the tiddler 
> specified in that field. Here, we are aiming to make uni-link plugin's 
> caption field appear just after the core title field. To place the caption 
> field after the date subtitle instead, simply put 
> $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/subtitle here or $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/tags to 
> place it after the tags for instance.
>
> (d) The custom tiddler could then be populated with the following content 
> for instance (keeping it simple with no additional  header):
>
> 
> <$view field="caption"/>
> 
>
>
> This basically specifies that the *caption* field should be displayed in 
> a HTML  container called tc-tiddler-caption. This will be useful in 
> the next step to create a tc-tiddler-caption CSS stylesheet that will allow 
> us to manipulate the style of the caption.
>
> (2) (a) Create a new tiddler called tc-tiddler-caption for the purpose of 
> hosting the intended CSS stylesheet.
>
> (b) We are going to make this into a CSS class so we need to add the 
> following tag: $:/tags/Stylesheet. It is also best to indicate the type 
> of this tiddler as being *text/css*.
>
> (c) Finally add your desired CSS. I used the following:
>
> .tc-tiddler-caption {
> font-style: italic;
> color: dimgrey;
> font-size: 180%;
> line-height:180%;
> }
>
>
> Voilà ! You should now have your custom-formatted caption just were you 
> wanted it :)
>
> R²
>

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[tw5] Re: Useful Lessons from the "Competition"

AdamS wrote:
>
>  I don't think the TW community is lacking there. There are some 
> amazing and exotic examples floating around. 


Excellent. 

What are examples do you recommend?

Best wishes
Josiah


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[tw5] Re: Useful Lessons from the "Competition"

Ciao Jed

I think those 3 are great for scope. One author, 3 dimensions. Its very 
invigorating.

I hope this thread leads a step towards a concrete step to show good TW.

Josiah

On Friday, 11 January 2019 18:12:19 UTC+1, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> For example wikis I have a few that may be interesting:
>
> A interactive fiction game: http://zorklike.tiddlyspot.com
> Documentation for a server (it is incomplete, but the idea is there): 
> https://www.ooktech.xyz:8443/SecureNodeServer
> A photo gallery demo: https://ooktech.com/TiddlyWiki/PhotoGallery/
>
> I have some more on my computer. I will see about uploading them.
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[tw5] Re: uni-link plugin - displaying a subtitle or caption below the tiddler's title

Thanks a lot Jed! Problem solved after a few tweaks in my first steps :)

Let me recap this for other newbies...

*Basic tutorial: how to display a uni-link plugin caption below the title
in your tiddlers*.

(1) (a) Create a new tiddler called $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/caption as you
will be aiming to redefine part of the core user interface in an
upgrade-friendly way thanks to this new custom tiddler.

(b) Add the $:/tags/ViewTemplate tag to the tiddler. This is a "system
tag", ie. a tag that will give special behaviour to the tiddler. The
$:/tags/ViewTemplate system tag defines the new custom tiddler as being a
"view template" — in other words, you'll be changing the core user
interface's display.

(c) Add a new field called *list-after* to this tiddler (don't forget the
hyphen as I did initially!) with the following field value:
$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/title. The *list-after* field has a tiddler title
as its place, and places the current tiddler just before the tiddler
specified in that field. Here, we are aiming to make uni-link plugin's
caption field appear just after the core title field. To place the caption
field after the date subtitle instead, simply put
$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/subtitle here or $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/tags to
place it after the tags for instance.

(d) The custom tiddler could then be populated with the following content
for instance (keeping it simple with no additional header):

<$view field="caption"/>

This basically specifies that the *caption* field should be displayed in a
HTML container called tc-tiddler-caption. This will be useful in the
next step to create a tc-tiddler-caption CSS stylesheet that will allow us
to manipulate the style of the caption.

(2) (a) Create a new tiddler called tc-tiddler-caption for the purpose of
hosting the intended CSS stylesheet.

(b) We are going to make this into a CSS class so we need to add the
following tag: $:/tags/Stylesheet. It is also best to indicate the type of
this tiddler as being *text/css*.

.tc-tiddler-caption {
font-style: italic;
color: dimgrey;
font-size: 180%;
line-height:180%;
}

Voilà ! You should now have your custom-formatted caption just were you
wanted it :)

R²

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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Discord Server

2019-01-11 Thread Jack Baty

I just joined, thanks for setting up the server. I love the idea!

That said, my first impression was one of being a bit overwhelmed. I feel 
that you may have done a bit of premature optimization with the channels 
:). Do you think it would helpful, especially for newcomers, to reduce the 
number of channels to a minimum (like 3 or 4 of them) until there actually 
is a noise problem? (Although too much noise would be a great problem to 
have!).

I'm new to discord but of the many Slack teams I'm on, there are only a 
couple that could use *more* channels. Most would benefit from fewer.

Jack





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[tw5] Re: Useful Lessons from the "Competition"

2019-01-11 Thread AdamS

I think Dave's point goes beyond example TWs. I don't think the TW
community is lacking there. There are some amazing and exotic examples
floating around. If I'm understanding Dave's point correctly, we should
have "empty" TWs available that are roughly optimized for certain tasks.
They come pre-loaded with some basic plugins particular to that task and
maybe there's an easily available list that has suggestions and links to
other plugins that are associated with that task.

So if someone is new to TW wants to use TW for note-taking for school, they
just hit the link and get an edition with a couple plugins for notes. If
they want a TW for writing, there's another one to download, etc.

I think Dave's idea would go a fair ways to reducing some of the activation
energy.

Another thing that would help would be a WYSIWYG editor. As a newbie who
originally came to TW for writing, I found the plaintext editor very
offputting. I almost went to WordPress just on account of that. I know we
have the ckeditor plugin available, but something native to TW might help.

Best wishes,
Adam

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[tw5] Re: Deep Link in TiddlyDesktop?

I recommend using Timimi plugin with firefox. 

https://ibnishak.github.io/Timimi/
https://github.com/ibnishak/Timimi/releases

Cheers
Mohammad

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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Discord Server

2019-01-11 Thread Reece Shaw

Hey Mario!

I've actually segmented the channels in a manner that I think would be
useful for specific topics as someone who is pretty new to utilizing TW,
CSS and HTML.

Large discord populations become confusing with multiple people having
separate conversations so I thought it might be useful to break it out
based on each coding language/approach because information relating to HTML
won't really be relevant to someone who is asking about how to use
tiddlywiki widgets.

General and off-topic could probably go but I mostly created those off
handedly thinking that general would be related to TW and off topic would
be like what's your favorite ice cream or your favorite ruleset of D

The workshop is supposed to be for specific code assistance. Like someone
asking how to format a filter or table for instance.

The text channels are not for the most part related to TW but the server,
except for TW resources but I should probably move that to the TW corner.

I've been meaning to pin messages of intended use for each channel in each
channel's pinned messages but haven't had a ton of time to reformat lately.

I appreciate the feedback, I'll look at reorganizing to segment it a bit
better so there's less clutter. If you're ever interested in helping admin
you can always let me know here or PM me on discord.

Thanks,
-Reece




On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 12:30 PM PMario  Hi Reece,
>
> I just joined the server, but I'm completely confused.
>
> There are 14 text channels, that overlap each other quite a bit. ... eg:
>
> How is "css-help" different to "TW5 help" or "general-questions". Same
> with "html-help" and "TW5 help". ...
>
> There is a "general-chat" and "off-topic" which is the same for me.
>
> What's the difference between TW5 CORNER and TEXT CHANNELS
>
> I think, the whole thing needs to be stripped down quite a bit. I think
> there is way too much overlap.
>
>
> Just my thoughts.
> have fun!
> mario
>
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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.2.0 Wibbly Wobbly

I just put out a bug fix release, so 1.2.1 is up. The changes are just 
fixing bugs. Thanks to mklauber for contributing to this release. It is 
marked as a prerelease to see what sort of horrible bugs pop up next.

It should fix the bugs mentioned here except for the one where changing the 
manual settings in the wiki loses focus after every key stroke. I haven't 
found what is causing that, but now that there are other ways to add wikis 
and remove incorrect paths manually editing the settings shouldn't be as 
important.

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[tw5] Re: uni-link plugin - displaying a subtitle or caption below the tiddler's title

Make a tiddler that has your caption in it, it looks like you already have 
that.

In your caption tiddler make a field called list-after and put 
$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/title in that field.

That should do what you want.

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[tw5] Re: Broken Concat / Embedded Widget Calls / JSON Tiddler Filter

2019-01-11 Thread D X

Hi Mark,

Every language I've worked in (I know TW is not a language per se, although 
it does have many language-like features like loops, conditionals, 
references, substitution, and look-up) has first-class (i.e., usable 
anywhere and arbitrarily nestable) support for string manipulation and 
construction via non-macro functions like concat(), substr(), instr(), and 
length(). This thread is a good example of how hard it is to construct a 
longer arbitrary string with arbitrary variable values concatenated into it 
(ultimately, we couldn't concat complex strings past a certain length).

This thread is a good example of how macro-based string manipulation with 
embedded single and double quotes doesn't scale to longer strings or 
exhibit easily predictable behavior. You yourself wrote this just a couple 
posts above: :D

... but to be honest I just poke around at it until something works ;-)
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[tw5] Re: uni-link plugin - displaying a subtitle or caption below the tiddler's title



I shouldn't be too far off as sliding the tc-tiddler-caption div below the 
tc-tiddler-title div on Chrome's inspection tool brings me the exact result 
I am looking for:


[image: Displaying caption below title 2.png]

Any hints on that last step?

Thanks,
R²

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[tw5] Re: uni-link plugin - displaying a subtitle or caption below the tiddler's title

I guess I should provide more detail...

Basing myself on $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/title, I created 
a $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/caption tiddler, tagged $:/tags/ViewTemplate and 
with the following content:


<$list filter="[all[current]!prefix[$:/]]">

<$view field="caption"/>




I reckoned that by then creating a tc-caption CSS stylesheet I could 
manipulate the style of the caption. That part works.

I also reckoned that I could create a tc-tiddler-caption div and somehow 
place it below the title. No progress on that part as of yet...

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Discord Server

2019-01-11 Thread PMario

Hi Reece, 

I just joined the server, but I'm completely confused. 

There are 14 text channels, that overlap each other quite a bit. ... eg: 

How is "css-help" different to "TW5 help" or "general-questions". Same with 
"html-help" and "TW5 help". ...

There is a "general-chat" and "off-topic" which is the same for me. 

What's the difference between TW5 CORNER and TEXT CHANNELS

I think, the whole thing needs to be stripped down quite a bit. I think 
there is way too much overlap. 


Just my thoughts. 
have fun!
mario


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[tw5] Re: Useful Lessons from the "Competition"

For example wikis I have a few that may be interesting:

A interactive fiction game: http://zorklike.tiddlyspot.com
Documentation for a server (it is incomplete, but the idea is 
there): https://www.ooktech.xyz:8443/SecureNodeServer
A photo gallery demo: https://ooktech.com/TiddlyWiki/PhotoGallery/

I have some more on my computer. I will see about uploading them.

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[tw5] Deep Link in TiddlyDesktop?

2019-01-11 Thread Marc J. Cawood

After running TW Classic for nearly a decade under AppJS the saving 
function stopped working so I took another look at TW5 and have managed to 
get my Wiki up and running with saving using TiddlyDesktop.

However, I have to launch TD and then my TW so my question is: can I create 
a desktop shortcut in windows which directly launches my TW?

Or can I place a feature request for this?

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[tw5] uni-link plugin - displaying a subtitle or caption below the tiddler's title



Dear all,


I am toying around with the uni-link plugin and finding the features very 
useful but I would like to display the caption or subtitle immediately 
below the tiddler's title (and above the date and tags):


[image: Displaying caption below title.png]


Transcluding the tiddler caption obviously doesn't work. I tried fiddling 
with a $:/core/ui/PageTemplate tag and, ahem, simply managed to get myself 
a caption at the bottom of the river... Any idea on how to do this?

Thanks!

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[tw5] Re: TW for writers: How to concatenate the contents of different tiddlers in one tiddler?

I think that a custom exporter would be much more useful than collecting a 
bunch of tiddlers into one tiddler and then exporting that. You could leave 
your tiddlers split up and then export them in order into a .txt file so 
you don't have to do the copy and paste things.

That is probably why this hasn't been done before.

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[tw5] Re: Useful Lessons from the "Competition"

Ciao Dave

I agree that having Example TW to show would be great. Where are they when 
we need them? :-)

Josiah

On Friday, 11 January 2019 16:05:54 UTC+1, Dave wrote:
>
> Maybe the "Tiddlywiki foundation" could pick several instances of TW 
> specialized uses and turn them into node-included snap packages? (Yes, 
> Linux only, but it's a start...) 
>
> TW for notes
> TW for writing
> TW for photo gallery
> etc...
>

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[tw5] Re: Logistics 101 -- How to promote Tiddlywiki?

Mark S. wrote:

> Have you tried from a different email provider? 
>

Its bizarre. My email here is an alias in a Google "domain account" ... why 
its bouncing only on first post to GG remains obscure to me and everyone I 
asked so far. Previously it worked fine.

What I don't like is it weakens the initial impact of posts.

Josiah

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[tw5] Re: TW for writers: How to concatenate the contents of different tiddlers in one tiddler?

Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
>
> I might have the perfect tool ...
>
> The general idea is: you collect all your tiddlers in the story river  
> Then we [you] remove all unwanted elements from the story river... And you 
> can copy the whole text from the story river and paste it in any other 
> program you wish.


Sounds good.
Josiah 

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[tw5] Re: Query -- Is TiddlyWiki a personal notebook?



On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 12:37:14 PM UTC-8, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> * a comic style starting page on tiddlywiki.com
>
 
I've noticed this on other sites. Is this a marketing trend?

* a podcast

Could that be sustained? What would we talk about?


> One last thing not included with Swiss army knifes: The best community on 
> the web. The chance to become a member of an international, friendly and 
> helpful family. – Would that quality be at stake if the community grew 
> exponentially?
>
>
If people thought rationally that would be true. But people tend to follow 
the hype. I doubt anyone signs up to Evernote for *their* forum. 

-- Mark

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[tw5] Re: The best of JavaScript, HTML and CSS

Most everything I see there are frameworks and libraries for JS -- not 
actual products like TW. It's more like "best tools for using JS" than 
"best things made from JS".

-- Mark

On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 4:18:16 AM UTC-8, S. S. wrote:
>
>
> I am wondering why TiddlyWiki is not listed here: https://bestofjs.org/
>
> And if it were listed, which TAGS used in that site would be placed on a 
> TiddlyWiki listing.
>

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[tw5] Re: Filter and Macro and Spaced delimited Parameter

That's right Mark.
Thank you.

On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 6:53:17 PM UTC+3:30, Mark S. wrote:
>
> I forgot case #4, I'll finish it up:
>
> The filter sees:
>
> "[[a b]] +[addprefix[mr-fadeIn-]]"
>
> "[[a b]]" looks like a single tiddler with title "a b", and the macro 
> performs the prefix:
>
> mr-fadeIn-a b
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 6:51:53 AM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> #1 Works as expected
>>
>>
>> #2 The filter sees:
>>
>>
>> "a b +[addprefix[mr-fadeIn-]]"
>>
>>
>> So thus two outputs.
>>
>>
>> #3 Wikitext is not a cannibal. It does not eat other wikitext! ;-)  The 
>> text is rendered as a link and then passed. The rendering html code is 
>> stripped and it becomes like case #2. That's my theory and I'm sticking to 
>> it.
>>
>>
>> -- Mark
>>
>> On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 3:48:22 AM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> Consider the below macro
>>>
>>> \define mac(p)
>>> <$set name=cls filter="$p$ +[addprefix[mr-fadeIn-]]">
>>> <$text text=<> />
>>> 
>>> \end
>>>
>>> It accepts p as input parameter and adds the prefix mr-fadeIn- and 
>>> return it.
>>>
>>> Now consider the below examples
>>>
>>> <>
>>>
>>> <>
>>>
>>> <>
>>>
>>> <>
>>>
>>> and their out puts
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> mr-fadeIn-ab 
>>>
>>> mr-fadeIn-a mr-fadeIn-b 
>>>
>>> mr-fadeIn-a mr-fadeIn-b 
>>>
>>> [[mr-fadeIn-a b]] 
>>>
>>>
>>> I do not understand the difference. I expect the first three example 
>>> just append the mr-fadeIn- to begining the argument (parameter)! But filter 
>>> seems split them on SPACE.
>>>
>>>
>>> --Mohammad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: The best of JavaScript, HTML and CSS

Hi S. S.,
 Thank you for sharing. I expect to have TW somewhere in top of list.

By the way this site gives some good hints on hot and useful libraries. 


Cheers
Mohammad

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Re: [tw5] Re: Program flow: how to store a variable in a field without user intervention?

Many Thanks Mark.

I bookmark this.


Cheers
Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: TW for writers: How to concatenate the contents of different tiddlers in one tiddler?

How is creating the single tiddler better than just copying the text of 
your output tiddler and pasting it into a word processor?

The temptation, once you put everything into one tiddler, is to start 
making changes to that output tiddler. But then your changes will be lost 
to your workflow. If your publisher asks you to rearrange chapters, you 
won't be able to do it without back-porting the changes made in your final 
output tiddler.

-- Mark

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[tw5] Re: Filter and Macro and Spaced delimited Parameter

I forgot case #4, I'll finish it up:

The filter sees:

"[[a b]] +[addprefix[mr-fadeIn-]]"

"[[a b]]" looks like a single tiddler with title "a b", and the macro 
performs the prefix:

mr-fadeIn-a b

-- Mark

On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 6:51:53 AM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>
> #1 Works as expected
>
>
> #2 The filter sees:
>
>
> "a b +[addprefix[mr-fadeIn-]]"
>
>
> So thus two outputs.
>
>
> #3 Wikitext is not a cannibal. It does not eat other wikitext! ;-)  The 
> text is rendered as a link and then passed. The rendering html code is 
> stripped and it becomes like case #2. That's my theory and I'm sticking to 
> it.
>
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 3:48:22 AM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Consider the below macro
>>
>> \define mac(p)
>> <$set name=cls filter="$p$ +[addprefix[mr-fadeIn-]]">
>> <$text text=<> />
>> 
>> \end
>>
>> It accepts p as input parameter and adds the prefix mr-fadeIn- and 
>> return it.
>>
>> Now consider the below examples
>>
>> <>
>>
>> <>
>>
>> <>
>>
>> <>
>>
>> and their out puts
>>
>>
>>
>> mr-fadeIn-ab 
>>
>> mr-fadeIn-a mr-fadeIn-b 
>>
>> mr-fadeIn-a mr-fadeIn-b 
>>
>> [[mr-fadeIn-a b]] 
>>
>>
>> I do not understand the difference. I expect the first three example just 
>> append the mr-fadeIn- to begining the argument (parameter)! But filter 
>> seems split them on SPACE.
>>
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Filter and Macro and Spaced delimited Parameter

Thank you Mark.
Thanks Jed.

Cheers
Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: Logistics 101 -- How to promote Tiddlywiki?

Have you tried from a different email provider? 

On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 5:43:27 AM UTC-8, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> For reasons no one understands my first posts to GG don't get to the email 
> group.
>
> Here is a note about promotion I wrote...
>
> On Friday, 11 January 2019 14:13:09 UTC+1, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> I and several others would like to see TW better known.
>>
>> But, how, in a manageable way? (BIG issue for me. I can promote but I 
>> can't do it without boilerplate texts.)
>>
>> What are we trying to promote?
>>
>> To whom?
>>
>> For what?
>>
>> What resource base do we draw on?
>>
>> What resources do we point to?
>>
>> Which places are good to post into about TW?
>>
>> I do think these questions are worth asking.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> @TiddlyTweeter
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Broken Concat / Embedded Widget Calls / JSON Tiddler Filter

I don't understand the "Lack of String Manipulation" either. Writing 
filters or macros for these standard tools would not be that difficult. I 
can only assume there is some philosophical reluctance. Perhaps because 
filters are supposed to work on *Titles*, not *strings*, and changing a 
Title's case, for instance, makes it into a new tiddler. But there are 
already existing filters that break this premise, so ... dunno.

-- Mark

On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 9:06:26 PM UTC-8, D X wrote:
>
> To wrap this thread up, while I love TiddlyWiki and don't see myself 
> changing due to its elegance and flexibility, I also at times find aspects 
> of it (several underlying this thread) frustrating:
>
>- Hard-to-Intuit / Understand Syntax / Parsing Rules: Do I reference 
>something in a given context with double braces ({{}})? Single braces 
> ({})? 
>Double angle brackets (<<>>)? Single angle brackets (<>)? Dollar signs? 
>Parens and dollar signs? Or will the kind of reference I'm trying to make 
>not work at all in my current context? And how will some given wikitext / 
>macro call / string be mangled by TW? Who knows? I haven't really 
> developed 
>a predictive mental model of TW's behavior in 6+ months of working with it.
>- Lack of String Manipulation: I expect built-in ways to do string 
>concatenation, searching, and splitting that nest and work in most 
> contexts 
>(e.g., not hand-crafted and unreliable macros).
>- Limitations of Fields: It's hard to leverage the elegant database 
>structure of TW when field names are constrained by some arcane naming 
>constraints. (I realize not entirely TW's fault.)
>- Lack of JSON Index Operator Parity with Fields: And, to wit, it's 
>not possible to fully move to JSON data-driven Tiddlers (instead of 
> fields) 
>when filters have so much built-in field searching and sorting operator 
>support that isn't supported for indexes.
>- Documentation and examples at https://tiddlywiki.com/ are often 
>either too simple for me (e.g., operator examples rarely show complex / 
>dynamic values populated by fields and variables like we see in this 
>thread, which is where I usually need help) or too terse, i.e., the 
>non-example doc pages often have sentence-fragment-like descriptions of an 
>operator's purpose or behavior.
>
> That said, after all the help from Mark (thank you!), I suspected that my 
> filter string concatenation might work better if I weren't trying to 
> assemble it from string literals in the wikitext (which is a bit 
> counterintuitive from traditional programming), so I made my filter string 
> components into fields that I could reference in my concat macro. This 
> helped, although ultimately TW would only process the first 2 of these and 
> the oddly the last one had to go back to being a literal:
>
> <$wikify name=search text=< {{!!parent_page}} {{'Basics Template'!!search_middle}} {{!!parent_page}} 
> '"]]+[sort[]nsort[birth_date]]' >> >
> <$list filter=<> >
>
> In which search_prefix = [tag[data_page]search:text:literal["father": "
> And search_middle = "]][tag[data_page]search:text:literal["mother": "
>
> By the way, a more compact (although I suspect less performant) way to 
> accomplish this filter / search is via a regex search filter similar to 
> this:
>
> [tag[data_page]search:text:regexp[(\"mother\")|(\"father\"): \" 
> {{!!parent_page}} \"]]
>
> Ultimately, however, even though I have mostly solved the search problem 
> in this thread, I am finding JSON data tiddler filter operators too limited 
> (e.g., no sorting) relative to the fairly robust field filter operators in 
> TW, so I'm changing back to a mostly field-driven data model (with the 
> exception of complex field names that must refer to Tiddler names, e.g., 
> field names that must contain capital letters and spaces, which TW cannot 
> persist).
>
> However, the help has been much appreciated!
>

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[tw5] Re: Useful Lessons from the "Competition"

2019-01-11 Thread Dave

Maybe the "Tiddlywiki foundation" could pick several instances of TW 
specialized uses and turn them into node-included snap packages? (Yes, Linux 
only, but it's a start...) 

TW for notes
TW for writing
TW for photo gallery
etc...

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[tw5] Re: Filter and Macro and Spaced delimited Parameter

Mohammad,

I don't see how that is unexpected behaviour. You are giving one title in 
[[a b]] in that context.

The [[ and ]] show it as one title, it is the same as if you used

Hello +[addprefix[xx-]] as the filter. It is a list of one title as input 
followed by something to do on that title.

using the input:

Hello [[a b]] a b 

may make it a bit more clear.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Program flow: how to store a variable in a field without user intervention?

Hi Mohammad,

I don't see anywhere that a widget is passed as a parameter to another 
widget. I guess you mean:


actions=<>


because create-commentTid CONTAINS widgets. But wrapping it in a macro 
first causes it to be rendered before being passed. I guess I should say 
that a widget attribute cannot use another widget as input DIRECTLY.

Before we had the Wikify widget, my main trick was to have a series of 
macros, each of which rendered the output of the prior macro. It made the 
code very hard to read and was easy to get wrong.

-- Mark


On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 1:00:30 AM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Mark one more question:
>
> \define conc() comment on {{!!title}}
>
> \define create-commentTid()
> <$wikify name="ctitle" text=<> >
> <$action-createtiddler 
>  $basetitle=<>
>  $savetitle="$:/temp/commentName"
>  relationship="comment" 
>  parent=<> 
> /> 
> <$action-navigate 
>  $to= {{$:/temp/commentName}} 
> />
> 
> \end
>
> <$button actions=<> >
> Click to make a comment 
> 
>
>
> The above code works in Tiddlywiki.com. The idea borrowed from Joe in this 
> post: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/BwE0KM_sBJc/AV58mzXnCAAJ
>
> Why this code works while a widget is passed as parameter attributes to 
> another widget?
>
> -- Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Re: Filter and Macro and Spaced delimited Parameter

#1 Works as expected


#2 The filter sees:


"a b +[addprefix[mr-fadeIn-]]"


So thus two outputs.


#3 Wikitext is not a cannibal. It does not eat other wikitext! ;-)  The 
text is rendered as a link and then passed. The rendering html code is 
stripped and it becomes like case #2. That's my theory and I'm sticking to 
it.


-- Mark

On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 3:48:22 AM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Consider the below macro
>
> \define mac(p)
> <$set name=cls filter="$p$ +[addprefix[mr-fadeIn-]]">
> <$text text=<> />
> 
> \end
>
> It accepts p as input parameter and adds the prefix mr-fadeIn- and return 
> it.
>
> Now consider the below examples
>
> <>
>
> <>
>
> <>
>
> <>
>
> and their out puts
>
>
>
> mr-fadeIn-ab 
>
> mr-fadeIn-a mr-fadeIn-b 
>
> mr-fadeIn-a mr-fadeIn-b 
>
> [[mr-fadeIn-a b]] 
>
>
> I do not understand the difference. I expect the first three example just 
> append the mr-fadeIn- to begining the argument (parameter)! But filter 
> seems split them on SPACE.
>
>
> --Mohammad
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Filter and Macro and Spaced delimited Parameter

Thank you S. S.
As you explained:

   - For case i and ii, I expect the same result as the current output by 
   TW.
   - The third and fourth case are strange for me

@Jed
Thank you Jed, see the below case

\define mac(p)
<$list filter='[<__p__>] +[addprefix[xx-]]'>
item: <>

\end

<>

---
<$list filter='[[a b]] +[addprefix[xx-]]'>
item: <>


Both gives the same result, e.g. they interpret [[a b]] as a single title. 
This is inline with what S.S quoted from Tiddlywiki.com

>From Title List 
>
> *A title list is a line of text that presents one or more tiddler titles, 
> strung together with a space between each one and the next.**If a title 
> contains a space, it needs double square brackets around it:*


 It seems filter='$p$ +[otherstep]' causes the strange result. $p$ 
interpreted for [[a b]] as "a" and "b" so there is no difference between 
[[a b]] and "a b".
I expect two things.

--Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: The best of JavaScript, HTML and CSS

S. S.

That is a very good observation.

Josiah



On Friday, 11 January 2019 13:18:16 UTC+1, S. S. wrote:
>
>
> I am wondering why TiddlyWiki is not listed here: https://bestofjs.org/
>
> And if it were listed, which TAGS used in that site would be placed on a 
> TiddlyWiki listing.
>

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[tw5] Re: Filter and Macro and Spaced delimited Parameter

Your third one is incorrect. [[a b]] is one title, "a b", not two titles.

you can see what I mean if you use this:

<$list filter='[[a b]]'>
item: <>


if you put in each of your filters than you can see the differences.

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[tw5] Re: Logistics 101 -- How to promote Tiddlywiki?

For reasons no one understands my first posts to GG don't get to the email 
group.

Here is a note about promotion I wrote...

On Friday, 11 January 2019 14:13:09 UTC+1, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> I and several others would like to see TW better known.
>
> But, how, in a manageable way? (BIG issue for me. I can promote but I 
> can't do it without boilerplate texts.)
>
> What are we trying to promote?
>
> To whom?
>
> For what?
>
> What resource base do we draw on?
>
> What resources do we point to?
>
> Which places are good to post into about TW?
>
> I do think these questions are worth asking.
>
> Best wishes
> @TiddlyTweeter
>

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[tw5] Re: Logistics 101 -- Do you use Telegram?

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Here it is ...

On Friday, 11 January 2019 14:34:15 UTC+1, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> I'm thinking that the pretty good #Twitter for #Tiddlywiki, @Tiddlywiki 
>  and @Jermolene 
>  could be matched by a Telegram 
>  channel.
>
> I'm interested if any Telegram users here feel the same?
>
> @TiddlyTweeter
>

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[tw5] Re: Query -- Is TiddlyWiki a personal notebook?

Caro Thomas

Very useful post. Thanks!

Regarding your last slightly anxious point about getting swamped ... 

*I think that getting swamped by The Swarthy Hordes is unlikely. *


More likely is we increase interested users. I think that matters because 
right now we: (1) have huge innovation; (2) not enough people to be able to 
properly support or comment on all the scale of innovation optimally.

Just thoughts
Josiah

Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Ciao Josiah,
> You are welcome. 
>
> I know you work in marketing.  
>>
> That makes me not any wiser than other people here (–:
>
> What interests me is how to present TW in a way to increase uptake. 
>>
> It might not be words. See other threads around here. Want another list?
>
> * design, especially mobile design
> * documentation including beginner documentation
> * simplicity (even emptier empty.html)
> * preconfigured pretty solutions (apps)
> * a comic style starting page on tiddlywiki.com
> * a YouTube star
> * a podcast
> * a company or a sponsor to boost everything with plenty of resources
>
> I'm never quite sure if it should initially be presented as one item on 
>> your list (personal notebook) or the fuller picture of a full list?
>>
>
> Want a picture? As a starting point, TW is like a Swiss army knife: It is 
> cheap, it can do really, really many things, and you can take it 
> everywhere. But it is not your first choice if you want the single best 
> knife for cutting vegetables. Or only need a screwdriver. It is not good at 
> cutting wood compared to a chainsaw. If you know your little tool and are a 
> handyman, you can use it to build other tools like a bow to go hunting ...
>
> Its an interesting presentation problem I think?
>>
>
> Yes, but I am not able to see an affordable solution. Besides attracting 
> more talented people perhaps. But isn’t that the point we are coming from?
>
> One last thing not included with Swiss army knifes: The best community on 
> the web. The chance to become a member of an international, friendly and 
> helpful family. – Would that quality be at stake if the community grew 
> exponentially? 
>

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[tw5] Re: Filter and Macro and Spaced delimited Parameter

This is how I 75% understand it.

>From Title List 


*A title list is a line of text that presents one or more tiddler titles, 
strung together with a space between each one and the next.If a title 
contains a space, it needs double square brackets around it:*

The input is a title list - and must follow the above rule.

"ab" = [[ab]] is a list of one (no spaces)
"a b" = [[a]] & [[b]] is a list of two (space between the titles)
[[a b]] = a]] & [[b is a list of two - but no idea how and why this 
renders back to [[a]] [[b]] - the 25% I don't understand.
"[[a b]]" = [[a b]] is a list of one (double square brackets around a title 
with a space)


On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 6:48:22 PM UTC+7, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Consider the below macro
>
> \define mac(p)
> <$set name=cls filter="$p$ +[addprefix[mr-fadeIn-]]">
> <$text text=<> />
> 
> \end
>
> It accepts p as input parameter and adds the prefix mr-fadeIn- and return 
> it.
>
> Now consider the below examples
>
> <>
>
> <>
>
> <>
>
> <>
>
> and their out puts
>
>
>
> mr-fadeIn-ab 
>
> mr-fadeIn-a mr-fadeIn-b 
>
> mr-fadeIn-a mr-fadeIn-b 
>
> [[mr-fadeIn-a b]] 
>
>
> I do not understand the difference. I expect the first three example just 
> append the mr-fadeIn- to begining the argument (parameter)! But filter 
> seems split them on SPACE.
>
>
> --Mohammad
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] The best of JavaScript, HTML and CSS


I am wondering why TiddlyWiki is not listed here: https://bestofjs.org/

And if it were listed, which TAGS used in that site would be placed on a 
TiddlyWiki listing.

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[tw5] Filter and Macro and Spaced delimited Parameter

Consider the below macro

\define mac(p)
<$set name=cls filter="$p$ +[addprefix[mr-fadeIn-]]">
<$text text=<> />

\end

It accepts p as input parameter and adds the prefix mr-fadeIn- and return 
it.

Now consider the below examples

<>

<>

<>

<>

and their out puts



mr-fadeIn-ab 

mr-fadeIn-a mr-fadeIn-b 

mr-fadeIn-a mr-fadeIn-b 

[[mr-fadeIn-a b]] 


I do not understand the difference. I expect the first three example just 
append the mr-fadeIn- to begining the argument (parameter)! But filter 
seems split them on SPACE.


--Mohammad






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[tw5] Re: Multiple TddlyWiki's and Browser Tab Management

On this one I'm unclear why one should bother?

In Bob I have occasionally on one computer done two openings knowing it 
knows how to handle it. But normally I can't see the added value of 
bothering to protect from an issue that looks like sloppy practice?

Not wanting to dis this. I just don't get the purpose.

Best wishes
Josiah



On Thursday, 10 January 2019 07:38:35 UTC+1, TonyM wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> I just wanted to share a new code pattern I built recently
>
> I use firefox and chrome on Windows 10
>
>- The following linkintab macro will always open in the same browser 
>tab, even if it is already open.
>- If your links to wikis use the target parameter you can ensure you 
>do not open the wiki more than once. 
>- You are also protected if you try and reopen the tab and you have 
>not saved previous work.
>- In Fire Fox, if you move a tab to its own window, and click the link 
>again it will open that windows again (and reload) - if it was minimised 
> it 
>will restore it.
>
> Why do this?
>
>- It allows you to keep tabs closed and open them as needed without 
>fear of saving over the same wiki (Even without using bob)
>- You can establish a Directory Wiki to other wikis that honours this 
>reusable tabs method.
>- No need to go looking for existing tabs, windows or minimised 
>browser windows, just return to your directory, reopen if not open, reload 
>in same tab if open (and saved)
>
> Limitations
>
>- I have not yet worked out if I can do this with file links to Timimi 
>Wikis.
>
>
> If you want to use multiple Browsers eg FireFox and Chrome and may open 
> the same wiki in either, I recommend you use Bob to host them so you gain 
> further protection if the wiki is open in more than one Browser given Bobs 
> multi-access ability.
>
>
> \define linkintab(link tabname)
> <$set name=url value="$link$">
> <$set name=tabname value=$tabname$>
>  > target=<> ><> 
>  
> \end
> > Will open W3Schools 
> tab in Current Browser
> >
>
> In the follwing case
> 
> {{$:/core/images/link}}
> It is using data from a dataTiddler (the current Tiddler in a list)
>
> And as the above macro shows the following also works
>  > target=<> ><>
>
> Feedback appreciated!
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Multiple TddlyWiki's and Browser Tab Management

Mohammad

I will look at pdfs and opening from multiple tabs. And will let you know.

I use a wiki that acts as a directory with links to all my wikis so did not 
notice that.

Thanks
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[tw5] Re: Useful Lessons from the "Competition"

Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> JournalBook: https://journalbook.co.uk/ 
> 
> HN comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18872599
>

Thanks. Very pertinent.

The simplicity of Journalbook "facing us" page is striking. How its doing 
what it does is not said. And that itself in interesting. That it feels it 
doesn't need to.

The HN comments bit where TW is mentioned is also interesting in that it 
doesn't have a lot of impact. It should but it doesn't.

I'd be very happy to promote TW more in forums. My problem is I'm not that 
smart. I need "scripts" that make sure I don't present it wrong.

In another thread it was suggested we improve the Wikipedia entry for TW as 
a step in that direction ... 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/fMRfHip0l08/xcWJNzorAQAJ

Thoughts
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: Broken Concat / Embedded Widget Calls / JSON Tiddler Filter

Thank Mark.
 I am collecting these notes for future reference.

Thank you for you time and help.

--Mohammad

On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 9:02:54 AM UTC+3:30, Mark S. wrote:
>
> You can use wikitext (markup with angle brackets ("<<"), or curly braces 
> ("{{") ) inside of widgets or other HTML tags like:
>
> <$vars mine={{!!stuff}}>
>
> However, AFAIK, you can't use wikitext links (square brackets) as widget 
> attributes.
>
> You can't use wikitext inside of wikitext like
>
> <> or like [[mylink|{{!!stuff}}]]
>
> and you can't use widgets as attributes inside other widgets like 
>
> <$vars mine=<$view field="stuff/> />
>
> Sometimes it's possible to use wikitext curly braces inside of wikitext 
> angle braces (macros) if you process the text through the Wikify widget, 
> but to be honest I just poke around at it until something works ;-)
>
> -- Mark
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 8:21:17 PM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Mark,
>>  I want to document this for further reference, could you give some more 
>> explanation of the rules?
>>
>> I know I can nest widgets like
>> <$tiddler 
>>  <$list 
>>
>> or I can use wikitext inside widgets like
>>
>> <$set value={{}}
>>
>> I appreciate to explain me in more details.
>>
>>
>> Best
>> Mohammad
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 8:19:02 AM UTC+3:30, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> Wow, I didn't realize search had changed so much. I really need to pay 
>>> attention to those release notes.
>>>
>>> The five laws of concatenation, which I just made up:
>>>
>>> Wikitext can't eat Wikitext
>>> Wikitext can't eat Widgets
>>> Widgets can't eat Widgets
>>> Widgets CAN eat Wikitext.
>>> Wikify can sometimes bend laws 1 through 3
>>>
>>> The following version may be too distant from what you wanted, but might 
>>> serve as a start. It did work in my quick test:
>>>
>>> \define ppfilter(pp) [tag[data_page]search:text:literal["father": 
>>> "{{!!parent_page}}"]]
>>>
>>> <$wikify name=search text=<>> 
>>> Variable: <>
>>> <$list filter=<> >
>>>
>>> * Search Result: {{!!title}}
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> HTH
>>> -- Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 8:17:10 PM UTC-8, D X wrote:

 I imagine I'm missing something obvious, but I'm unable to construct a 
 working filter to search JSON tiddlers for a specified field value on TW 
 5.1.18. Concat() is a usual $1$$2$$3$, etc. macro. Here are a few 
 variations that don't work for me:

 1. Non-$macrocall, single brace field ref, quote-delimited:
 <$set name=search value=<>>> '[tag[data_page]search:text:literal["father": "' {!!parent_page} '"]]' "'" 
 >> > 
 Variable: <>
 <$list filter=<> >

 * Search Result: {{!!title}}
 
 
 Output 1:
 search: '[tag[data_page]search:text:literal["father": 
 "{!!parent_page}"]]'

- list: [tag[data_page]search:text:literal["father": 
"{!!parent_page}"]]


 2. Non-$macrocall, double brace field ref, quote-delimited:
 <$set name=search value=<>>> '[tag[data_page]search:text:literal["father": "' {{!!parent_page}} '"]]' 
 "'" >> > 
 search: <>
 <$list filter=<> >

 * list: {{!!title}}
 
 
 Output 2:
 search: '[tag[data_page]search:text:literal["father": "Kyle"]]'

- list: [tag[data_page]search:text:literal["father": ""]]


 3. Non-$macrocall, double brace field ref, non-quote-delimited:
 <$set name=search value=<>>> '[tag[data_page]search:text:literal["father": "' {{!!parent_page}} '"]]' 
 >> 
 > 
 search: <>
 <$list filter=<> >

 * list: {{!!title}}
 
 
 Output 3:
 search: [tag[data_page]search:text:literal["father": "Kyle"]]
 --LIST DOESN'T RETURN RESULTS--

 4. $macrocall, double brace field ref, non-quote-delimited:
 <$set name=search value=<$macrocall concat  
 1='[tag[data_page]search:text:literal["father": "' 2={{!!parent_page}} 
 3='"]]' /> > 
 search: <>
 <$list filter=<> >

 * list: {{!!title}}
 
 

 Output 4:
 <$set name=search value=<$macrocall concat 
 1='[tag[data_page]search:text:literal["father": "' 2=Kyle 3='"]]' 
  > search: 
 --LIST RETURNS EVERY TIDDLER--

 Seems like the quote delimiting is broken here, but I don't see the 
 issue. What's more, trying to close the <$macrocall> tag with /> seems to 
 be closing the <$set> macro as well.

 And there are a few other permutations of the above, none of which 
 work. =/ Help welcome and thanks in advance!

>>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Program flow: how to store a variable in a field without user intervention?

Mark one more question:

\define conc() comment on {{!!title}}

\define create-commentTid()
<$wikify name="ctitle" text=<> >
<$action-createtiddler 
 $basetitle=<>
 $savetitle="$:/temp/commentName"
 relationship="comment" 
 parent=<> 
/> 
<$action-navigate 
 $to= {{$:/temp/commentName}} 
/>

\end

<$button actions=<> >
Click to make a comment 



The above code works in Tiddlywiki.com. The idea borrowed from Joe in this 
post: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/BwE0KM_sBJc/AV58mzXnCAAJ

Why this code works while a widget is passed as parameter attributes to 
another widget?

-- Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: Broken Concat / Embedded Widget Calls / JSON Tiddler Filter