[tw5] Re: Time Tracking in TiddlyWiki?

[Eric Shulman]

On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 5:59:51 PM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, I've just found a nasty logic error in my handling for 
> timezone.  It doesn't work right when calculating across date boundaries.  
> For example, my time zone is UTC-7 (Pacific Time), and I was converting 
> from GMT to local time by simply subtracting the number of hours.  But... 
> when its just after 5pm here the hour is 17, but in GMT, it's just after 
> midnight *the next day* and the hours there is 00, so simply subtracting 
> the timezone offset give hour 93 (00 - 07)!!!
>
> I'll let you know when I have a *working* update!
>

FIXED!  update http://TiddlyTools.com/timer.html

The AnalogClock and DigitalClock now support optionally specifying the 
timezone offset.

see http://tiddlytools.com/timer.html#SampleWorldClocks

Tony: check out the "adjustForTimezone()" code in 
TiddlyTools/Timer/DigitalClock (same code is also used in 
TiddlyTools/Timer/AnalogClock)

The math was tricky... and it still has two issues to deal with:
1) It needs to handle MONTH date adjustments (i.e., when it's the evening 
of 8/31 somewhere, it will be 9/01 somewhere else)
2) It needs to handle MINUTE timezone offset (there's a few timezones that 
aren't on the even hours especially in Australia!)

I also plan to build in a multi-select list of places, so you can choose 
which locations to show clocks for...

enjoy,
-e


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Re: [tw5] Re: how to make the tag list collapse when active the edit panel?

[Zhe Lee]

You are right. I want the taglist dismiss automaticly

On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 9:37:34 PM UTC+8, emilykang135 wrote:
>
> Hi Tones, 
>
> I believe Zhe is asking for a way to automatically dismiss the tag list 
> when he starts typing content, not how to add tags. But perhaps I've 
> interpreted your reply wrong after zero sleep. Do you know a way to do 
> this? 
>
> Emily 
>
>
> On Aug 1, 2020 at 1:03 AM, TW Tones > 
> wrote: 
>
> Zhe,
>
> Select a tag to add and click, or 
> Click the little down arrow next to the tag entry field. 
>
> Others have made this easier for doing with the keyboard.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 1:07:26 PM UTC+10, Zhe Lee wrote:
>>
>> [image: Snipaste_2020-08-01_11-01-13.jpg]
>>  As the title said,  When I added the   Main content,  in the edit 
>> panel,  The  tag list won't collapse,  Which is not very convenient,  So is 
>> there a setting to make it auto collapse?  
>>  I already searched on Google, but can't find  Related topics. , 
>>
>>  So I came here to look for help. Tnx
>>
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[tw5] Re: how to make the tag list collapse when active the edit panel?

[Zhe Lee]

thank you I will waiting for the new version

On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 9:56:08 PM UTC+8, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> @Zhe In TW 5.1.22 and before, you need to click somewhere outside the 
> textarea to dismiss the popup.
>
> In 5.1.23, which is still only available as a pre-release, this has been 
> made easier and when the textarea gets focus, the popup is dismissed:
> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/
>
>
> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 5:07:26 AM UTC+2, Zhe Lee wrote:
>>
>> [image: Snipaste_2020-08-01_11-01-13.jpg]
>>  As the title said,  When I added the   Main content,  in the edit 
>> panel,  The  tag list won't collapse,  Which is not very convenient,  So is 
>> there a setting to make it auto collapse?  
>>  I already searched on Google, but can't find  Related topics. , 
>>
>>  So I came here to look for help. Tnx
>>
>

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[tw5] How to: adding comments in wiki text

[CJ Veniot]

Kind of a no-brainer for anybody who knows HTML, but just in case there are 
other folk at the same level I'm at :[image: Comments in TiddlyWiki.png]

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[tw5] Re: Confused by timimi-2-1-1-Mac

[Marie Wray]

Perfect.  Thank you.

On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 7:51:49 PM UTC-4, Mark S. wrote:
>
>
> Possibly take a look at this thread
>
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/timimi$20mac%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/g3M0MlG_13o/cBEPQ9tSAQAJ
>
> and see if that helps you at all.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 4:12:11 PM UTC-7, Marie Wray wrote:
>>
>> Initial use of Tiddlywiki for Firefox.  
>>
>> Wanted to be able to save - using the timimi-2-1-1-Mac. 
>> Tried to follow instructions and I get a file my computer treats as a 
>> text file.  
>> Where do I put the script? to run the add on?
>>
>> Or, is there a better method to save.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: [Highlight Text] A shortcut or a button in the editor toolbar?

[Prestige]

Hi again Steve,
I used the SK plugin and they don’t seem to work. Maybe that’s an issue 
with my theme or something. The code around the text pops up but the 
highlights or the colour changes are not visible. If you know the fix 
please let me know.…:)
-Prestige

On Saturday, 1 August 2020 at 01:56:05 UTC+5:30 Prestige wrote:

> Thanks Tony and SK.
>
> TW community is the best!
>
> -prestige 
>
> On Fri, 31 Jul, 2020, 9:18 pm 'Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki, <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> There are buttons to highlight a text selection, change the character 
>> color of a text selection and select the colors for those changes in 
>> http://skplugins.tiddlyspot.com/ and some other goodies as well.
>>
>> On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 7:44:56 AM UTC-5, Prestige wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello folks,
>>>
>>> I needed some highlighting tool, and I did find some macros to do it, I 
>>> was just wondering if its possible to have a direct shortcut or a button in 
>>> the editor toolbar to highlight text?  
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Prestige
>>>
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[tw5] Re: Time Tracking in TiddlyWiki?

[Eric Shulman]

On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 5:44:21 PM UTC-7, TW Tones wrote:
>
> The world clocks are wonderful, My family use is likely to be Australia 
> and France, and perhaps other Australian Time Zones, so we only need two or 
> more clocks to make this a valuable feature. I will see if I can source a 
> Time Zone list, as tiddlywiki data, then one may select only the time zone 
> perhaps that we want to phone. A little css play to show daylight/nighttime 
> would be fun but in no way essential. That is for people to play with.
>

Unfortunately, I've just found a nasty logic error in my handling for 
timezone.  It doesn't work right when calculating across date boundaries.  
For example, my time zone is UTC-7 (Pacific Time), and I was converting 
from GMT to local time by simply subtracting the number of hours.  But... 
when its just after 5pm here the hour is 17, but in GMT, it's just after 
midnight *the next day* and the hours there is 00, so simply subtracting 
the timezone offset give hour 93 (00 - 07)!!!

Thanks again for your contribution, superb.
>

I *will* solve this problem but it's not done yet.

:(

I'll let you know when I have a *working* update!

-e

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[tw5] Re: Genealogical tree?

[TW Tones]

Jed,

That is a beautiful piece of work, and something I always imagined 
Tiddlywiki would be ideal for. 

I may return to investigating the "Travelling salesman problem 
"
 
or my idea to prove the "Four Colour Theorem 
" in a few steps. Things 
that often occupied me before TiddlyWiki.

I am tempted to write a small synopsis of your solution that helps 
interrogate the graph once it exits.

Thanks so much for you participation in building our tiddlywiki resources.

Regards
Tony

On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 6:23:45 AM UTC+10, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> It isn't graphical but I made a relations database that may fit what you 
> are looking for.
>
> https://ooktech-tw.gitlab.io/plugins/relations/
>

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[tw5] Re: Time Tracking in TiddlyWiki?

[TW Tones]

Eric,

The world clocks are wonderful, My family use is likely to be Australia and 
France, and perhaps other Australian Time Zones, so we only need two or 
more clocks to make this a valuable feature. I will see if I can source a 
Time Zone list, as tiddlywiki data, then one may select only the time zone 
perhaps that we want to phone. A little css play to show daylight/nighttime 
would be fun but in no way essential. That is for people to play with.

We need to build, as a community, a set of implementations based on your 
clock and timer solution because I think they will be in demand.

Thanks again for your contribution, superb.

Regards
Tony

On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 6:14:35 AM UTC+10, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 1:14:43 AM UTC-7, TW Tones wrote:
>>
>> Before attempting to hack the clocks can you see an easy way to set them 
>> to operate in different time Zone's?
>>
>
> It wasn't exactly "easy"... but I've added the ability to set a custom 
> timezone offset for displaying the Analog and Digital clocks.  The offsets 
> are specified relative to GMT.
>
> For examples, see http://tiddlytools.com/timer.html#SampleWorldClocks
> Note: there's 18 clocks (9 analog and 9 digital), so the $action-timeout 
> interrupt processing is a bit overdone, but I wanted to test some limits to 
> see how bad it might get.
>
> I'm experimenting with ways to optimize the action-timeout widget to use 
> shared global timeouts so there would only be 1 timeout for Analog and 1 
> timeout for Digital, regardless of how many clocks are rendered but I 
> haven't gotten this to work yet.  In the meantime, use the WorldClocks with 
> a bit of caution in case it overwhelms the browser's resources or degrades 
> the performance too much.
>
> I've also added some more Setup options for the SidebarClocks so they are 
> easy to show, hide and resize without having to edit the tiddler definition.
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>

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[tw5] Re: how to copy a tid's tags by name searching a tid?

[TW Tones]

Zhe,

I can be done, quite easily where one copies the whole content of the tags 
field to a temporary location and then replace the current tiddlers tag 
field, a button for each. However a little more effort should ensure it *adds 
the additional tags* rather than replace existing tags. Also when creating 
buttons for the view toolbar a few extra steps so they can be seen and 
controlled in the Control Panel > Appearance > Toolbars pages is desirable.

Buttons: We could make one copy tags, and one paste tags button.

This seems somewhat useful, but I am tempted to make it capable of copying 
and pasting any field. That will come later.

Do you want me to make these buttons?

It would be easier than explaining.

Regards
TW Tones





 

On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 12:12:39 AM UTC+10, Zhe Lee wrote:
>
> Almost solved 
>
>
> https://tiddlywiki.com/static/Page%2520and%2520tiddler%2520layout%2520customisation.html
>
> Try this will add button to every tiddler when you edit. 
>
> But Just one things seems not well. I need to edit the tiddler first then 
> the button shows. If it Show the button without enter the edit mode will be 
> better.
>
> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 12:34:13 PM UTC+8, Zhe Lee wrote:
>>
>> I have a lot of tid  All related to one tid.  Something like a parent 
>> node.  So I need to inherit all the tags from the parents.  But the parents 
>> have so many tags.  It is very inconvenient to type them one by one. 
>>
>> So I'm looking for a function or a plugin  Which can help me searching a 
>> tid and copy all the tags to the current one .
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Confused by timimi-2-1-1-Mac

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Possibly take a look at this thread

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/timimi$20mac%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/g3M0MlG_13o/cBEPQ9tSAQAJ

and see if that helps you at all.



On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 4:12:11 PM UTC-7, Marie Wray wrote:
>
> Initial use of Tiddlywiki for Firefox.  
>
> Wanted to be able to save - using the timimi-2-1-1-Mac. 
> Tried to follow instructions and I get a file my computer treats as a text 
> file.  
> Where do I put the script? to run the add on?
>
> Or, is there a better method to save.
>
> Thanks.
>
>

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[tw5] Confused by timimi-2-1-1-Mac

[Marie Wray]

Initial use of Tiddlywiki for Firefox.  

Wanted to be able to save - using the timimi-2-1-1-Mac. 
Tried to follow instructions and I get a file my computer treats as a text 
file.  
Where do I put the script? to run the add on?

Or, is there a better method to save.

Thanks.

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[tw5] Re: Genealogical tree?

[Jed Carty]

It isn't graphical but I made a relations database that may fit what you 
are looking for.

https://ooktech-tw.gitlab.io/plugins/relations/

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[tw5] Re: Time Tracking in TiddlyWiki?

[Eric Shulman]

On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 1:14:43 AM UTC-7, TW Tones wrote:
>
> Before attempting to hack the clocks can you see an easy way to set them 
> to operate in different time Zone's?
>

It wasn't exactly "easy"... but I've added the ability to set a custom 
timezone offset for displaying the Analog and Digital clocks.  The offsets 
are specified relative to GMT.

For examples, see http://tiddlytools.com/timer.html#SampleWorldClocks
Note: there's 18 clocks (9 analog and 9 digital), so the $action-timeout 
interrupt processing is a bit overdone, but I wanted to test some limits to 
see how bad it might get.

I'm experimenting with ways to optimize the action-timeout widget to use 
shared global timeouts so there would only be 1 timeout for Analog and 1 
timeout for Digital, regardless of how many clocks are rendered but I 
haven't gotten this to work yet.  In the meantime, use the WorldClocks with 
a bit of caution in case it overwhelms the browser's resources or degrades 
the performance too much.

I've also added some more Setup options for the SidebarClocks so they are 
easy to show, hide and resize without having to edit the tiddler definition.

enjoy,
-e

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[tw5] Re: Genealogical tree?

[History Buff]

I love this discussion.

For genealogy, I use Tiddlywiki as a notes taking application as well as a 
way to keep track of the documents that I download. I continue to use my 
genealogical program (which happens to be Rootsmagic) as my main genealogy 
database. I do believe this could be done with Tiddlywiki, but as has been 
said, it would be very complicated and messy. I do have individuals in my 
Tiddlywiki, but only as a guide as to how the documents and notes fit in 
their timeline. The figure I included before (which, for some reason, is 
hidden in the quoted text) shows how I use it. I find this extremely useful 
when examining the records I've downloaded because it puts everything into 
context.

I considered trying to tackle having everything in Tiddlywiki, but decided 
that I was too much of a newbie to try to tackle something like that. 
Besides, I was a wee bit more interested in doing the actual research 
rather than the creating of a new Tiddlywiki (although I think that would 
be extremely fun).

Damon


On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 9:19:06 AM UTC-7, giannism...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Is there any plugin suitable for constructing a genealogical tree in TW5? 
> I'm trying to do this myself but I'm failing miserably.
>
> Thanks
>

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[tw5] Re: Do you find that TiddlyWiki is faster in Chromium than Firefox?

[h0p3]

I use a browser exclusively for my wiki. Chromium is the best I've tried 
thus far. In part, I use a lot of extensions just for the wiki-browser, and 
I get to benefit from a larger ecosystem in Chromium. As much as I 
appreciate FF, I dislike having to blow gargantuan amounts of resources on 
it (there is only so much hardware I can throw at that hungry beast) as my 
primary web driver, and, unfortunately, I've been burned enough times by 
its bugs that I prefer not to trust it to my wiki process (maybe that will 
change). 



On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 9:03:42 AM UTC-4, si wrote:
>
> I recently tried out my wiki in Brave (Chromium based) rather than Firefox 
> and noticed that it was a little snappier.
>
> Saving tiddlers is measurably faster and there is a lot less lag when 
> using edit-text boxes (in my case the side-editor plug-in).
>
> *Is it generally the case that TW runs a little better in Chrome than 
> Firefox or is my experience just the result of the idiosyncrasies of my 
> particular system?*
>
> Note: I'm using Windows10 and Timimi to save for both browsers.
>

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[tw5] Re: Time Tracking in TiddlyWiki?

[Mat]

@Eric

First off - wow, it's getting really good!

There is still something not working 100%. I don't get the RSOE (great!) 
but the "Work session X in progress" doesn't update. This is what I do:
In Win10, with 3 Chrome windows open, each with between 5~20 tabs,
I open your page and start the SampleCountdownSequence with default values 
(and not touching the pause checkbox, but I do click Apply.)
Then I flip to another tab in that window and thereafter, over time, flip 
around doing other stuff. No other interaction with your page.
Peeking back at the page, after much more than 10+2 mins have passed, the 
countdown it still reads "Work session 1 in progress".

 

> I've just added an *optional* setting to "pause between sessions".  
>

Excellent! I will have much use of this.

It is definitely pushing it, but like for the CSS clock you made it is much 
easier to see the countdown "visually" like e.g here 
. 
It would be cool with a little visual display in the corner of ones wiki 
showing how much more time one has to work.

Thanks for these really useful things!

<:-)

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Re: [tw5] how to copy a tid's tags by name searching a tid?

[Atronoush Parsi]

Zhe,
 Have you tried Tiddler-Commander?

https://kookma.github.io/TW-Commander/

See the Commander help
https://kookma.github.io/TW-Commander/#Commander%20Tutorial

See the Commander in action
https://kookma.github.io/TW-Commander/

Atro.

On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 9:04 AM Zhe Lee  wrote:

> I have a lot of tid  All related to one tid.  Something like a parent
> node.  So I need to inherit all the tags from the parents.  But the parents
> have so many tags.  It is very inconvenient to type them one by one.
>
> So I'm looking for a function or a plugin  Which can help me searching a
> tid and copy all the tags to the current one .
>
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[tw5] Re: how to copy a tid's tags by name searching a tid?

[Zhe Lee]

Almost solved 

https://tiddlywiki.com/static/Page%2520and%2520tiddler%2520layout%2520customisation.html

Try this will add button to every tiddler when you edit. 

But Just one things seems not well. I need to edit the tiddler first then 
the button shows. If it Show the button without enter the edit mode will be 
better.

On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 12:34:13 PM UTC+8, Zhe Lee wrote:
>
> I have a lot of tid  All related to one tid.  Something like a parent 
> node.  So I need to inherit all the tags from the parents.  But the parents 
> have so many tags.  It is very inconvenient to type them one by one. 
>
> So I'm looking for a function or a plugin  Which can help me searching a 
> tid and copy all the tags to the current one .
>

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[tw5] Re: how to copy a tid's tags by name searching a tid?

[Zhe Lee]

https://tiddlywiki.narkive.com/zmSBMwKe/tw-tw5-new-tiddler-excised-tiddler-that-inherits-tags-of-current-tiddler

I found sth useful in this link. 

<$button>
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title="This is newly created
tiddler" tags={{!!tags}} text=<>/>
New Tiddler get the tags from the current tiddler.


But I need this function everywhere. How to add this button to all 
tiddlers? 

On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 4:00:16 PM UTC+8, TW Tones wrote:
>
> Zhe,
>
> I do not fully understand you question, however this may help.
>
> <$list filter="[all[]tags[]]" variable=tag>
><$checkbox tag=<> ><$text text=<>/>
> 
> This lists all tags in the wiki and allows you to add them to the current 
> tiddler with a checkbox.
> Use it to check your filter locates what you want
>
> You can change "[all[]tags[]]" to what every you want to identify the 
> tags.
>
> Alternatively you would use a similar list inside a button with something 
> like;
>
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-add-tag" $param=<>/>
>
> Eg
> <$fieldmangler>
> <$button tooltip="Add all tags found using [all[]tags[]prefix[a]]">
> <$list filter="[all[]tags[]prefix[a]]" variable=tag>
><$action-sendmessage $message="tm-add-tag" $param=<>/>
> 
> Go
> 
> 
> Above tested with "[all[]tags[]prefix[a]]" on tiddlywiki.com
>
> Regards
> TW Tones
>
>
>
> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 2:34:13 PM UTC+10, Zhe Lee wrote:
>>
>> I have a lot of tid  All related to one tid.  Something like a parent 
>> node.  So I need to inherit all the tags from the parents.  But the parents 
>> have so many tags.  It is very inconvenient to type them one by one. 
>>
>> So I'm looking for a function or a plugin  Which can help me searching a 
>> tid and copy all the tags to the current one .
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: [PLUGIN] Working on a new fullscreen editor, looking for feedback

[Saq Imtiaz]

@JD no worries. Very happy to see you exploring alternative UX ideas for a 
much ignored aspect of TW (the edit template).

In case you haven't seen it, some UI fiddling of mine here that might 
inspire some ideas:

   - https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/lQ1N1t-0Gtw/zkNjApAcCAAJ
   - https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/1oFNPGtQj3c/o6shvzg-AgAJ
   
Cheers,
Saq

On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 3:39:50 PM UTC+2, JD wrote:
>
> Hi Saq! 
>
> Thank you, those are really important ideas!
>
> After a while using, I did become annoyed at the toggles and how they 
> didn't achieve the kind of simplicity in interaction and looks as I was 
> hoping for. 
>
> I am also going to return the editButtons up top, because with a narrower 
> frame, they cause the editor toolbar buttons to bunch together and make it 
> all feel unbalanced.
>
> Also, yeah I realized while using it that the titlebar is acting 
> strangely! I'll have to find a better method for the effect I want.
>
> Thanks for those valuable thoughts! 
>
> -jd
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 1, 2020, 17:10 Saq Imtiaz, > 
> wrote:
>
>> @JD some more feedback:
>>
>>- aesthetically I understand the design of the toggle bars (buttons) 
>>for the editor segements. However, they need greater affordance as to the 
>>functionality provided there, it isn't intuitive enough and make this 
>>unsuitable for use in a wiki meant to be used by people unfamiliar with 
>>this editor. A small arrow/chevron icon or similar would help.
>>- the toggle bars are also too thin to tap reliably on mobile, 
>>especially if you have the title and the toolbar collapsed.
>>- the experience of typing a tiddler title is very jarring as the 
>>input doesn't resize until after you finish typing, so you end up typing 
>>blind.
>>- the tiddler toolbar buttons need to be better differentiated from 
>>the editor toolbar buttons. Something subtle like a different background 
>>color or different icon styling would do the trick.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>> Saq
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 3:12:25 AM UTC+2, JD wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Tony! Thank you for appreciating the looks! This is really how I'd 
>>> want the editor toolbar to be styled.
>>>
>>> I'll definitely add those configurables, thanks for the suggestion!
>>>
>>> -jd
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 11:13:49 AM UTC+9, TW Tones wrote:

 JD,

 Feedback from the +10 UTC Time Zone,

 This looks even more elegant than before.  My only questions would be

- Can we use code mirror in the editor?
- The ability to set a display filter on the edit button would be a 
nice feature
   - Default to all, but the designer could set it to something 
   like [!is[system]] or [object-type[note]]

 Very-nice.

 Regards
 Tony

 On Wednesday, July 29, 2020 at 10:49:27 PM UTC+10, JD wrote:
>
> Hello everyone, 
>
> I was backtracking and saw some posts about my old Fullscreen editor 
> plugin... Thank you for the appreciation!
>
> ...Found out some people were having trouble with it (I, myself, 
> consider it inelegant), so I am in the process of developing a new one 
> that 
> uses TW5.1.22's features..
>
> It's not yet packaged in a plugin, so I'd like for those interested to 
> try it here: 
>
> http://j.d.fullscreen.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> (I have more notes about its development there)
>
> Thanks guys
>
> -jd
>
> ---
>
> Legecy has moved here:
>
> http://j.d.fullscreen.legacy.tiddlyspot.com/
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[tw5] Re: how to make the tag list collapse when active the edit panel?

[Saq Imtiaz]

@Zhe In TW 5.1.22 and before, you need to click somewhere outside the 
textarea to dismiss the popup.

In 5.1.23, which is still only available as a pre-release, this has been 
made easier and when the textarea gets focus, the popup is dismissed:
https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/


On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 5:07:26 AM UTC+2, Zhe Lee wrote:
>
> [image: Snipaste_2020-08-01_11-01-13.jpg]
>  As the title said,  When I added the   Main content,  in the edit 
> panel,  The  tag list won't collapse,  Which is not very convenient,  So is 
> there a setting to make it auto collapse?  
>  I already searched on Google, but can't find  Related topics. , 
>
>  So I came here to look for help. Tnx
>

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[tw5] Re: how to copy a tid's tags by name searching a tid?

[Zhe Lee]

Sorry for not make the question clear. 

What I want is I need a search bar to search all the tiddlers, when I 
select one in the search bar, I can copy all the tags of the 
target tiddlers to my current edit tiddler. 

Is there a way to make it? 

For example I am reading the story about Porter, Porter is a tiddler in my 
wiki with tag: A, B, C. 

Then I want to create another tiddler which topic is Porter's Youth. Means 
I need the tag A, B, C. But I don't want to type all of the tags again. So 
I need sth like plugin to search for a tiddler and copy all the tags to the 
current. 

Any way to make it? 


On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 4:00:16 PM UTC+8, TW Tones wrote:
>
> Zhe,
>
> I do not fully understand you question, however this may help.
>
> <$list filter="[all[]tags[]]" variable=tag>
><$checkbox tag=<> ><$text text=<>/>
> 
> This lists all tags in the wiki and allows you to add them to the current 
> tiddler with a checkbox.
> Use it to check your filter locates what you want
>
> You can change "[all[]tags[]]" to what every you want to identify the 
> tags.
>
> Alternatively you would use a similar list inside a button with something 
> like;
>
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-add-tag" $param=<>/>
>
> Eg
> <$fieldmangler>
> <$button tooltip="Add all tags found using [all[]tags[]prefix[a]]">
> <$list filter="[all[]tags[]prefix[a]]" variable=tag>
><$action-sendmessage $message="tm-add-tag" $param=<>/>
> 
> Go
> 
> 
> Above tested with "[all[]tags[]prefix[a]]" on tiddlywiki.com
>
> Regards
> TW Tones
>
>
>
> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 2:34:13 PM UTC+10, Zhe Lee wrote:
>>
>> I have a lot of tid  All related to one tid.  Something like a parent 
>> node.  So I need to inherit all the tags from the parents.  But the parents 
>> have so many tags.  It is very inconvenient to type them one by one. 
>>
>> So I'm looking for a function or a plugin  Which can help me searching a 
>> tid and copy all the tags to the current one .
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: [PLUGIN] Working on a new fullscreen editor, looking for feedback

[E Browns]

Hi Saq!

Thank you, those are really important ideas!

After a while using, I did become annoyed at the toggles and how they
didn't achieve the kind of simplicity in interaction and looks as I was
hoping for.

I am also going to return the editButtons up top, because with a narrower
frame, they cause the editor toolbar buttons to bunch together and make it
all feel unbalanced.

Also, yeah I realized while using it that the titlebar is acting strangely!
I'll have to find a better method for the effect I want.

Thanks for those valuable thoughts!

-jd



On Sat, Aug 1, 2020, 17:10 Saq Imtiaz,  wrote:

> @JD some more feedback:
>
>- aesthetically I understand the design of the toggle bars (buttons)
>for the editor segements. However, they need greater affordance as to the
>functionality provided there, it isn't intuitive enough and make this
>unsuitable for use in a wiki meant to be used by people unfamiliar with
>this editor. A small arrow/chevron icon or similar would help.
>- the toggle bars are also too thin to tap reliably on mobile,
>especially if you have the title and the toolbar collapsed.
>- the experience of typing a tiddler title is very jarring as the
>input doesn't resize until after you finish typing, so you end up typing
>blind.
>- the tiddler toolbar buttons need to be better differentiated from
>the editor toolbar buttons. Something subtle like a different background
>color or different icon styling would do the trick.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Saq
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 3:12:25 AM UTC+2, JD wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tony! Thank you for appreciating the looks! This is really how I'd
>> want the editor toolbar to be styled.
>>
>> I'll definitely add those configurables, thanks for the suggestion!
>>
>> -jd
>>
>> On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 11:13:49 AM UTC+9, TW Tones wrote:
>>>
>>> JD,
>>>
>>> Feedback from the +10 UTC Time Zone,
>>>
>>> This looks even more elegant than before.  My only questions would be
>>>
>>>- Can we use code mirror in the editor?
>>>- The ability to set a display filter on the edit button would be a
>>>nice feature
>>>   - Default to all, but the designer could set it to something like
>>>   [!is[system]] or [object-type[note]]
>>>
>>> Very-nice.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tony
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 29, 2020 at 10:49:27 PM UTC+10, JD wrote:

 Hello everyone,

 I was backtracking and saw some posts about my old Fullscreen editor
 plugin... Thank you for the appreciation!

 ...Found out some people were having trouble with it (I, myself,
 consider it inelegant), so I am in the process of developing a new one that
 uses TW5.1.22's features..

 It's not yet packaged in a plugin, so I'd like for those interested to
 try it here:

 http://j.d.fullscreen.tiddlyspot.com/

 (I have more notes about its development there)

 Thanks guys

 -jd

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Re: [tw5] Re: how to make the tag list collapse when active the edit panel?

[emilykang135]

Hi Tones,

I believe Zhe is asking for a way to automatically dismiss the tag list
when he starts typing content, not how to add tags. But perhaps I've
interpreted your reply wrong after zero sleep. Do you know a way to do
this?

Emily


On Aug 1, 2020 at 1:03 AM, TW Tones  wrote:

Zhe,

Select a tag to add and click, or
Click the little down arrow next to the tag entry field.

Others have made this easier for doing with the keyboard.

Regards
Tony

On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 1:07:26 PM UTC+10, Zhe Lee wrote:
>
> [image: Snipaste_2020-08-01_11-01-13.jpg]
>  As the title said,  When I added the   Main content,  in the edit
> panel,  The  tag list won't collapse,  Which is not very convenient,  So is
> there a setting to make it auto collapse?
>  I already searched on Google, but can't find  Related topics. ,
>
>  So I came here to look for help. Tnx
>
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[tw5] Re: Genealogical tree?

[TW Tones]

A thought

It's a big job, and genealogy is complicated and messy.  People and their 
relationships don't fit neatly in compartments.

All of which makes me think TW is the only option.

Regards
TW Tones 

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[tw5] Re: Is it possible to create alternative REST APIs from inside the TiddlyWiki webpage?

[Jed Carty]

it sounds like extending the REST api is the way to go with this. Having a 
script that manipulates the .tid files is possible, but also something like 
reinventing the wheel. You can rename and filter tiddlers in the node 
server without building any of the utility functions yourself and then you 
have the benefit of all the testing and work everyone else has done to 
ensure stability.

Unless you have something specific to Bob that you need it may be better to 
use the core tiddlywiki server. Bob doesn't have sufficient security built 
in to it to be on a public-facing server yet, you would need to have apache 
or something similar in front of it for security.

And if you use Bob the API routes are a bit different because it has to 
handle multiple wikis. They follow the same general structure as the core 
routes but remember the different module type.

Let me know if you need any help.

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[tw5] simple tabs macro tabs reorder (with a tag macro)

[A Gloom]

just a little thing while I compose the post for the next "maybe big 
thing"...

simple tool for redordering tabs macro tabs order with a tag macro instead 
of manually filling in a list field

can be used to set the order and removed, kept with the macro for later use 
(could be hidden behind a reveal and button)


import the attached tiddler into tiddlywiki com or code here and see how it 
works

//Click on the tag pill and use drag and drop to reorder the tabs 
sequence.  CAUTION: WILL REORDER the tag's content listing elsewhere in 
wiki so use an unique tag for the tabs you want this feature for.//

TABS ORDERER  <>
<>


section below can be removed-- just for demo purposes

TABS MACRO SET SO IT WON'T BE EFFECTED (for seeing old order before 
reordering)

<>

next... the "maybe big thing"-- tattering your tiddlers...

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Description: Binary data

[tw5] Re: Stand-alone 2-column editing? (a la Stroll)

[bimlas]

Amreus,

You can download this feature as a standalone plugin from here:
https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fsq%2FStories

amreus a következőt írta (2020. augusztus 1., szombat, 11:02:41 UTC+2):

> I was experimenting with Stroll - Being able to edit 2 tiddlers 
> side-by-side is extremely useful.  Is there a stand-alone version or 
> something similar? I'd like to be able to excise text to a new tiddler in 
> the 2nd column, for example. Thanks.
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Genealogical tree?

[amreus]

I am also interested in recording people and families in TW. I'll refrain 
from calling what I do genealogy - I just collect information, pictures, 
and stories from family members and bits I find online. I'm not too 
concerned about the stories being perfectly factual and write most entries 
(tiddlers) in a free-form format with manual links to parents and children. 
This does not lend itself to producing trees or graphs, or even generated 
lists.

I did write a script in the Ruby language to convert a gedcom to a 
TiddlyWiki. It works acceptably well. Only thing is the wiki is no longer 
human editable which is important if I want to get other people involved in 
the data entry and editing. 

Creating diagrams or trees is extremely useful though and something I'd 
like to do.  I also think going straight to graphs is putting the cart 
before the horse.  There needs to be a system on place for recording basic 
facts about a person - relationships, relationship types, dates, locations, 
events, notes, sources, and so on. GEDCOM is the defacto standard for this. 
It's a fairly flexible format which is why I think it has survived over 
time, although it is not without issues. Such a system might include:

* a standard format for recording facts as fields
* standard formats for recording dates, locations, names in fields
* a set of templates for displaying and editing  people and families
* a set of helper macros to "add new person", "add person as child", "add 
as parent", etc. 
* more macros to calculate relationships between people (Person A and 
Person B are 2nd cousins)
* probably a lot more


It may be even possible to offer import and export of simplified gedcom 
files but only if said standards were rigidly adhered to. 

It's a big job, and genealogy is complicated and messy.  People and their 
relationships don't fit neatly in compartments. All of which makes me 
wonder if the use of TW is even a viable option. 

Sorry this turned into something of a random thoughts rant. Need to run, 
tho.

Thoughts?

On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 12:19:06 PM UTC-4, giannism...@gmail.com 
wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Is there any plugin suitable for constructing a genealogical tree in TW5? 
> I'm trying to do this myself but I'm failing miserably.
>
> Thanks
>

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[tw5] Re: [PLUGIN] Working on a new fullscreen editor, looking for feedback

[Saq Imtiaz]

@JD some more feedback:

   - aesthetically I understand the design of the toggle bars (buttons) for 
   the editor segements. However, they need greater affordance as to the 
   functionality provided there, it isn't intuitive enough and make this 
   unsuitable for use in a wiki meant to be used by people unfamiliar with 
   this editor. A small arrow/chevron icon or similar would help.
   - the toggle bars are also too thin to tap reliably on mobile, 
   especially if you have the title and the toolbar collapsed.
   - the experience of typing a tiddler title is very jarring as the input 
   doesn't resize until after you finish typing, so you end up typing blind.
   - the tiddler toolbar buttons need to be better differentiated from the 
   editor toolbar buttons. Something subtle like a different background color 
   or different icon styling would do the trick.

Hope this helps,
Saq




On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 3:12:25 AM UTC+2, JD wrote:
>
> Hi Tony! Thank you for appreciating the looks! This is really how I'd want 
> the editor toolbar to be styled.
>
> I'll definitely add those configurables, thanks for the suggestion!
>
> -jd
>
> On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 11:13:49 AM UTC+9, TW Tones wrote:
>>
>> JD,
>>
>> Feedback from the +10 UTC Time Zone,
>>
>> This looks even more elegant than before.  My only questions would be
>>
>>- Can we use code mirror in the editor?
>>- The ability to set a display filter on the edit button would be a 
>>nice feature
>>   - Default to all, but the designer could set it to something like 
>>   [!is[system]] or [object-type[note]]
>>
>> Very-nice.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 29, 2020 at 10:49:27 PM UTC+10, JD wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello everyone, 
>>>
>>> I was backtracking and saw some posts about my old Fullscreen editor 
>>> plugin... Thank you for the appreciation!
>>>
>>> ...Found out some people were having trouble with it (I, myself, 
>>> consider it inelegant), so I am in the process of developing a new one that 
>>> uses TW5.1.22's features..
>>>
>>> It's not yet packaged in a plugin, so I'd like for those interested to 
>>> try it here: 
>>>
>>> http://j.d.fullscreen.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>> (I have more notes about its development there)
>>>
>>> Thanks guys
>>>
>>> -jd
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Legecy has moved here:
>>>
>>> http://j.d.fullscreen.legacy.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Stand-alone 2-column editing? (a la Stroll)

[amreus]

I was experimenting with Stroll - Being able to edit 2 tiddlers 
side-by-side is extremely useful.  Is there a stand-alone version or 
something similar? I'd like to be able to excise text to a new tiddler in 
the 2nd column, for example. Thanks.

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[tw5] Re: [ pre-release ] New goodies in the TiddlyWiki core

[Saq Imtiaz]

@joshua that is odd. Here is the underlying PR and diff:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/4725/files

On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 1:13:01 AM UTC+2, Joshua Fontany wrote:
>
> This is excellent work. I did notice that with JsonMangler installed, the 
> main Search box buttons and popups are Broken.
>
> Filed as a [Bug] here:  
> https://github.com/joshuafontany/TW5-JsonMangler/issues/18  
>
> Quickfix if  new `<$vars searchTiddler="$:/temp/search/input" `  is 
> changed back to old ` <$vars searchTiddler="$:/temp/search" `
>
> I have not dived into the new macro far enough to say why that breaks 
> and/or fixes that bug
>
> Best,
>
> Joshua F 
> On Wednesday, July 29, 2020 at 7:32:00 AM UTC-7 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'd like to highlight a feature that will be included in the next release 
>> of TW and is currently available via the pre-release: 
>>
>> *Keyboard support for the search field and the tag picker* (thanks to 
>> the hard work of @BTC!). 
>>
>> You can use the up and down arrow keys to select a search result or tag, 
>> and hit Enter to select it. Escape resets the search. It would be great to 
>> get some more testing and feedback on this feature, and I think it 
>> represents an opportunity to build some new interactions upon.
>>
>> Pre-release:
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/
>>
>>
>> I've been playing with it yesterday as part of a commitment to do some 
>> further testing before the next TW release. Under the covers it uses a new 
>> macro called *keyboard-driven-input*.
>>
>> As part of testing the re-usability of the macro, I've made a quick ten 
>> minute hack, cloning the search tiddler from the top menu to create a 
>> simple editor with a "navigation" field with keyboard support:
>>
>>
>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/floats.html#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fsq%2FNlite%2Feditor
>>
>> The keyboard-driven-input macro is by necessity not the easiest to 
>> understand how to use, so hopefully the additional example will help.
>>
>> The editor itself is an extra lite approximation of my Notation editor, 
>> but it shows how easily such UIs can be created. 
>>
>> *Aside (Floats):*
>> For those that have been following the demo I posted of Floats, you can 
>> get an idea of what I have in mind for it by using the temporary "Edit in 
>> float" button on any tiddler's toolbar, which opens that tiddler in the 
>> above mentioned editor, in a draggable, resizable float:
>>
>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/floats.html
>>
>> Now I just need to add support for easily toggling a float, as well as 
>> collapsing and docking at the edge of the screen.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Saq
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Time Tracking in TiddlyWiki?

[TW Tones]

Eric,

Before attempting to hack the clocks can you see an easy way to set them to 
operate in different time Zone's?

Perhaps with a +10 or -8 etc..? which does not take account of Daylight 
savings etc.. 

For example one could show the different time zones our tiddlywiki users 
are in.

Regards
Tony



On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 2:14:40 PM UTC+10, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 6:13:11 PM UTC-7, TW Tones wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the timer actions it adds a powerful dimension.
>> This is more than enough for many applications however perhaps in future 
>> we could supply the action tiddlername as a variable or parameter.
>>
>
> I've reworked how the custom actions are defined:
>
> To define *custom actions* to be performed when the countdown is 
> completed:
>
>- Add a macro named done in the tiddler containing your countdown 
>timer. This macro replaces the standard message box.
>- Enter the desired <$action-... /> widget syntax inside the macro 
>definition.
>- Use $(here)$ to refer to the title of tiddler containing your 
>countdown timer.
>- To display the standard message box, use >
>- See SampleCountdown for an example.
>
> I am very likely to have one action definition that is used many times and 
>> it would be nice to have one defined in this case, also allowing for one to 
>> be modified, affecting all that use that action tiddler.
>>
>
> To re-use one action definition multiple times you can define the done() 
> macro to just transclude the <$action-.../> widgets from a separate 
> tiddler, like this:
> \define done() <$transclude tiddler="MyCommonDoneAction" />
>
> -e
>

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[tw5] Re: how to make the tag list collapse when active the edit panel?

[TW Tones]

Zhe,

Select a tag to add and click, or 
Click the little down arrow next to the tag entry field. 

Others have made this easier for doing with the keyboard.

Regards
Tony

On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 1:07:26 PM UTC+10, Zhe Lee wrote:
>
> [image: Snipaste_2020-08-01_11-01-13.jpg]
>  As the title said,  When I added the   Main content,  in the edit 
> panel,  The  tag list won't collapse,  Which is not very convenient,  So is 
> there a setting to make it auto collapse?  
>  I already searched on Google, but can't find  Related topics. , 
>
>  So I came here to look for help. Tnx
>

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[tw5] Re: how to copy a tid's tags by name searching a tid?

[TW Tones]

Zhe,

I do not fully understand you question, however this may help.

<$list filter="[all[]tags[]]" variable=tag>
   <$checkbox tag=<> ><$text text=<>/>

This lists all tags in the wiki and allows you to add them to the current 
tiddler with a checkbox.
Use it to check your filter locates what you want

You can change "[all[]tags[]]" to what every you want to identify the tags.

Alternatively you would use a similar list inside a button with something 
like;

<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-add-tag" $param=<>/>

Eg
<$fieldmangler>
<$button tooltip="Add all tags found using [all[]tags[]prefix[a]]">
<$list filter="[all[]tags[]prefix[a]]" variable=tag>
   <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-add-tag" $param=<>/>

Go


Above tested with "[all[]tags[]prefix[a]]" on tiddlywiki.com

Regards
TW Tones



On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 2:34:13 PM UTC+10, Zhe Lee wrote:
>
> I have a lot of tid  All related to one tid.  Something like a parent 
> node.  So I need to inherit all the tags from the parents.  But the parents 
> have so many tags.  It is very inconvenient to type them one by one. 
>
> So I'm looking for a function or a plugin  Which can help me searching a 
> tid and copy all the tags to the current one .
>

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[tw5] Re: Is it possible to create alternative REST APIs from inside the TiddlyWiki webpage?

[TW Tones]

Rafael,

I am no expert on this, but if you are using a server version, the 
tiddlywiki content is already accessible via the server, by definition. Jed 
has used a similar approach to make Bob wikis multi-access so it locks a 
tiddler at a time. So there exists a method to query the server already. 
Perhaps this would be your best approach first. ie investigate either bob 
server messages" or "native Node.JS".

If you use a single file wiki there are ways to import content from that 
wiki from elsewhere, but that's not what you are looking for.

My own interest in REST API's is the opposite, and comes from the fact that 
WordPress already has many API's, custom posts and more. I wonder if a 
TiddlyWiki could store all its tiddlers in the database behind WordPress in 
its database via REST API's, in part because such an internet service is 
easy to obtain. But Then WordPress could also access the tiddler content, a 
custom post type could even give access to a tiddler independently. We 
could programaticaly generate wordpress content from a TiddlyWiki.

Best of luck in your endeavours

Remember explaining what you want without a partial solution, may get you 
further when asking questions.

Perhaps you thought REST API's was the answer, but what was the question? 
You answered this in part, but the topic title may keep people away.

Regards
Tony


On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 2:29:31 PM UTC+10, Rafael Oliveira wrote:
>
> Hi Tones,
>
> I've asked about the REST API because I'd like to make TiddlyWiki gives 
> the information of my notes to a different external application. 
>
> I'm not 100% sure if building an API is the only way to do it. My main 
> requirement is that the external application can ask TW for information at 
> any time, so TW needs to deliver it... In my view, the backend integration 
> in this case is necessary, but I may be wrong. Are there alternative 
> frontend solutions for this case?
>

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[tw5] Re: Time Tracking in TiddlyWiki?

[TW Tones]

Eric,

Thanks for that. I feel I need to return some demo solutions soon.

Best wishes
TW Tones

On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 2:14:40 PM UTC+10, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 6:13:11 PM UTC-7, TW Tones wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the timer actions it adds a powerful dimension.
>> This is more than enough for many applications however perhaps in future 
>> we could supply the action tiddlername as a variable or parameter.
>>
>
> I've reworked how the custom actions are defined:
>
> To define *custom actions* to be performed when the countdown is 
> completed:
>
>- Add a macro named done in the tiddler containing your countdown 
>timer. This macro replaces the standard message box.
>- Enter the desired <$action-... /> widget syntax inside the macro 
>definition.
>- Use $(here)$ to refer to the title of tiddler containing your 
>countdown timer.
>- To display the standard message box, use >
>- See SampleCountdown for an example.
>
> I am very likely to have one action definition that is used many times and 
>> it would be nice to have one defined in this case, also allowing for one to 
>> be modified, affecting all that use that action tiddler.
>>
>
> To re-use one action definition multiple times you can define the done() 
> macro to just transclude the <$action-.../> widgets from a separate 
> tiddler, like this:
> \define done() <$transclude tiddler="MyCommonDoneAction" />
>
> -e
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Exporting wikified text to csv

[Robert Jopling]

Thanks Tony

I now have an idea as to how to do this. I will codify my idea and I will
get back to you.

Cheers

Rob

On Sat, 1 Aug 2020, 00:09 TW Tones,  wrote:

> Rob,
>
> The solution could be quite subtle, could you share a minimal example of
> your code?, or ideally and example that demonstrates the problem on
> tiddlywiki.com or an empty.html?
>
> With code unseen these are my strategies
>
>- Check each set of the process to see the results
>- Wikify at the last possible moment in where it is needed
>- Are you using the output parameter on the wikify, check and or set
>that
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 3:06:38 AM UTC+10, Rob Jopling wrote:
>>
>> I note that when I export a selection of tiddlers to a CSV file it
>> exports the text field as raw text.
>>
>> Is there a way by which I can export the text field as wikified text?
>>
>> I have played around with the wikifywidget but cannot work out to get
>> round the obvious transclusion errors.
>>
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