[tw] Re: Query: Is a "$:/state/..." Tiddler simply a temporary tiddler?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

PMario wrote:
>
> I'm 100% sure that I don't create content that can be tweeted. 140 chars 
> are not enough for me ;) 
>

that was only 97 characters. you may be underestimating your Tweeting 
skills.

Just saying
Josiah, x

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[tw] Re: Query: Is a "$:/state/..." Tiddler simply a temporary tiddler?

[PMario]

On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 12:59:41 PM UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> Right. BUT ALSO they seem used a LOT not JUST to register configuration 
> states but also in macros to hold data temporarily. For instance, you are 
> making a Tiddler tweetable the content is passed to a "state" Tiddler to 
> enable handling for later steps.
>

I'm 100% sure that I don't create content that can be tweeted. 140 chars 
are not enough for me ;) ... just joking.
 

> IF that data THEN persists AFTER you have finished it seems odd to me.
>
> Is "state" being used where "temp" would be more appropriate?  
>

Hmmm, .. It depends ... on the plugin authors intentions. It may be an 
oversight or a bug.

-m

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[tw] Re: Query: Is a "$:/state/..." Tiddler simply a temporary tiddler?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

PMario wrote:
>
>  ... state tiddlers are seved but $:/temp/... tiddlers are __not saved__ 
>
> As the name says, "$:/state/..." tiddlers contain the TW state. eg: "which 
> tab is selected" by the <> macro, and so on. 
>

Right. BUT ALSO they seem used a LOT not JUST to register configuration 
states but also in macros to hold data temporarily. For instance, you are 
making a Tiddler tweetable the content is passed to a "state" Tiddler to 
enable handling for later steps. IF that data THEN persists AFTER you have 
finished it seems odd to me.

Is "state" being used where "temp" would be more appropriate?  

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Re: Query: Is a "$:/state/..." Tiddler simply a temporary tiddler?

[PMario]

On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 12:18:53 PM UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Are Tiddlers named "$:/state/..." simply the TW equivalent of "Temp" files 
> that can be safely deleted?
>

partially right: ... state tiddlers are seved but $:/temp/... tiddlers are 
__not saved__ 

As the name says, "$:/state/..." tiddlers contain the TW state. eg: "which 
tab is selected" by the <> macro, and so on. 
If you want to reset your TW to the initial state of eg: empty.html you can 
safely delete them. 

I even did create a plugin, to get rid of them 
. ... I need this 
plugin while developing stuff, to reset to a "well-defined" state ... 
 

>
> That's the easy part.
>
>- I assume you could, in theory, call anything a "$:/state/anything" 
>even if it were not be used for temporary data holding?
>
> right. ... you can name your tiddlers as you like. .. _but_ it may confuse 
you and your users in the future and will cost you a lot of time and money 
supporting your "mis-named" tiddlers. ... Nothing more to say ;)


>- And you COULD, in theory, call a state tiddler 
>"$:/not-a-state/confusion"?
>
> yea. ... see above

Naming tiddlers right is hard, if you don't want to create conflicting 
names. ... That's why there are some "best practices" in place. 

eg: naming conventions for plugin authors: 
$:/plugins/// see my plugin above. 

or a list of names used by the core: 
http://tiddlywiki.com/#Naming%20of%20System%20Tiddlers

have fun!
mario



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