Re: [tw] Re: Saving in Safari

[Eneko Gotzon]

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Jeremy Ruston 
wrote:

> I’ve been studying the “Downloads Overwrite Existing Files” sample…
>>
>
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Re: [tw] Re: Saving in Safari

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Hi Ton,

Not sure what you're saying. Yes, you can change the download directory. 
But I keep my TW files in directories far away from the download directory. 
So I would either have to change the downloads directory whenever using TW 
or constantly be moving downloaded files out of the TW directory. Or use 
the save-as option, in which case I'll probably turn off auto-save ... and 
occasionally lose stuff.

"I guess every form of refuge has it's price" - Eagles - Lyin' Eyes

Thanks,
Mark


On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 8:22:16 AM UTC-7, Ton Gerner wrote:
>
> Hi Mark & All,
>
> > If it only saves to a sub-directory of the downloads directory, that 
> would be inconvenient.
>
> Linux Mint 17.3, Chrome 59, Extension "Downloads Overwrite Existing Files".
>
> Chrome saves to my own directory set in Advanced settings.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ton
>
>
>
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Saving in Safari

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Ton

If you have only one TW, or are happy to have them all in one dir, this 
will work great.

I sometimes feel spoiled with Tiddlyfox in FF with 7 TW all in very 
different places. But *SHOULD* I?

Or should I feel pissed-off that in the future keeping MY structure is 
gonna become a PITA?

Josiah :-)

Ton Gerner wrote:
>
> Chrome saves to my own directory set in Advanced settings.
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Re: [tw] Re: Saving in Safari

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Mark S. 

Be glad you can get it to save to a (sort-of) user designated directory ... 
the last implementation *only* allowed saving to the default download 
directory. I'm referencing here the actual add-on at Chrome Webstore 

 
... I'm not sure what the tech underneath permits in potentio.

The big issue with Chromelonger term is whether its going to dump Apps ... 
which its says it *IS* going to do ... provisionally early 2018. The 
problem is that APIs on WebExtensions--i.e. what lives on--are essentially 
directly, at the moment, seriously antipathetic to direct overwrite saving 
of ANY kind. That's my understanding. I may be wrong, I HOPE I am, but I 
never seen anyone assert otherwise.

Josiah

Mark S. wrote:
>
> The current download saver promises to remember the last download 
> directory. But the chrome extensions may limit you to the download 
> directory and subdirectories. 
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Re: [tw] Re: Saving in Safari

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Mark & All,

> If it only saves to a sub-directory of the downloads directory, that 
would be inconvenient.

Linux Mint 17.3, Chrome 59, Extension "Downloads Overwrite Existing Files".

Chrome saves to my own directory set in Advanced settings.

Cheers,

Ton



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Re: [tw] Re: Saving in Safari

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

The current download saver promises to remember the last download 
directory. But the chrome extensions may limit you to the download 
directory and subdirectories. At least one of those in the link says ..

Absolute paths, empty paths, and paths containing back-references ".." will 
be ignored.
  

If it only saves to a sub-directory of the downloads directory, that would 
be inconvenient.

I'm still wondering if a more natural solution might be a shell script 
(different script for each platform) that would find the most recent TW 
file (based on stem name), save it to the the target working directory, and 
launch it. For the rest of the session, the user would work and save as 
usual.

Mark


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Re: [tw] Re: Saving in Safari

[Jeremy Ruston]

> It’s not quite that bad: TiddlyFox will stop working in the latest versions 
> of Firefox, but those download overwriting plugins will still work.
> 
> 
> Do you have links for those plugins?, that are tested with latest FF or 
> nightly FF?

I’ve been focusing on Chrome extensions, on the basis that Firefox is striving 
for compatibility; developing against Chrome would appear to give us the 
broadest reach. I’ve been studying the “Downloads Overwrite Existing Files” 
sample, which appears at the bottom of this listing:

https://developer.chrome.com/extensions/samples#search:downloads 


Best wishes

Jeremy


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Re: [tw] Re: Saving in Safari

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao PMario & Jeremy

I believe Jeremy was referring to the Chrome Overwrite Saver 


IF its a Web Extension that would be good news. *If its an "app", it too 
will be retired if Google go ahead with their 2018 plans*.

My overall feel is that we don't need to panic. In fact TiddlyWiki 
stalwarts will do fine with work like TiddlyServer & Noteself shaping up, 
as well as other approaches emerging.

HOWEVER, for average, normal users, the increasing difficultly of simple 
overwrite saving is, I think, a big issue, that will grow. I think it 
limits uptake of TW. Which is a great shame IMO. 

Josiah 

PMario wrote:
>
> Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> TiddlyTweeter wrote: In addition you should note that ALL standard 
>> browsers will cease simple overwrite saving by early 2018.
>>
>> It’s not quite that bad: TiddlyFox will stop working in the latest 
>> versions of Firefox, but those download overwriting plugins will still work.
>>
>
> Do you have links for those plugins?, that are tested with latest FF or 
> nightly FF?
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Saving in Safari

[PMario]

On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 11:22:25 AM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> In addition you should note that ALL standard browsers will cease simple 
> overwrite saving by early 2018.
>
>
> It’s not quite that bad: TiddlyFox will stop working in the latest 
> versions of Firefox, but those download overwriting plugins will still work.
>


Do you have links for those plugins?, that are tested with latest FF or 
nightly FF?

-m

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Re: [tw] Re: Saving in Safari

[Jeremy Ruston]

Until sometime in the last few months, Safari didn’t support directly 
downloading changes; instead one had to right click and save a base64 generated 
URL. Safari does now handle the downloads properly, so the standard HTML5 
fallback saver now works OK on Safari.

> As far as I am aware, Safari has never had "overwrite saving". To do it you'd 
> need an add-on for TiddlyWiki and Safari hasn't got one.

It wouldn’t need to be a TiddlyWiki-specific addon. There are addons for Chrome 
that force downloads to overwrite the previous file, and these work well with 
TiddlyWiki.

> In addition you should note that ALL standard browsers will cease simple 
> overwrite saving by early 2018.

It’s not quite that bad: TiddlyFox will stop working in the latest versions of 
Firefox, but those download overwriting plugins will still work.

Best wishes

Jeremy.



> 
> To understand what is happening read: 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/4yyMPH-0hXg/SjIOy7aeAgAJ
> 
> There are a number of solutions. But if you are an ordinary user then 
> switching to Firefox is likely you best bet at the moment.
> 
> Regards
> Josiah
> 
> Sergei Gerasenko wrote:
> The problem is that Safari appends -1, -2, etc on each save, which is bad 
> when working with TiddlyWiki. I would like the original wiki file to be 
> overwritten.
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[tw] Re: Saving in Safari

[TonyM]

Sergie,

I have not attempted to get tiddlywiki to save on safarie but I have just 
installed firefox and the plugin tiddlyfox on my mac mini and that works. 
Also I installed node.js on the MAC and that should work from within safari,

Regards
Tony

On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 1:04:40 AM UTC+10, Sergei Gerasenko wrote:
>
> The problem is that Safari appends -1, -2, etc on each save, which is bad 
> when working with TiddlyWiki. I would like the original wiki file to be 
> overwritten.
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2017 at 10:02:43 AM UTC-5, Sergei Gerasenko wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm running Safari 10.1.1. According to this Saving on Safari 
>> , I should 
>> get a dialog when trying to save on Safari, I don't :( Sorry if this is an 
>> FAQ.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>   Sergei
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Saving in Safari

[Sergei Gerasenko]

The problem is that Safari appends -1, -2, etc on each save, which is bad 
when working with TiddlyWiki. I would like the original wiki file to be 
overwritten.

On Sunday, July 23, 2017 at 10:02:43 AM UTC-5, Sergei Gerasenko wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm running Safari 10.1.1. According to this Saving on Safari 
> , I should 
> get a dialog when trying to save on Safari, I don't :( Sorry if this is an 
> FAQ.
>
> Thanks,
>   Sergei
>

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