[tw5] Re: Finding Stuff Here: "The One Legged Tortoise" problem

[TiddlyTweeter]

 David Gifford wrote:
>
> You can't blame Google for not having a better search mechanism. What 
> would Google know about searches?
>

LOL! Try this: 
https://www.google.com/search?q=David+AND+Gifford+AND+Mexico+AND+TiddlyWiki=David+AND+Gifford+AND+Mexico+AND+TiddlyWiki

Blessings
TT

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[tw5] Re: Finding Stuff Here: "The One Legged Tortoise" problem

[David Gifford]

You can't blame Google for not having a better search mechanism. What would 
Google know about searches?

On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 9:59:50 AM UTC-6, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> A *thing is* finding what has been done in this GG.
>
> It's too Darwinian by far. Past threads are automatically put on the 
> Extinction List.
>
> But IF you have some unique string (especially in a subject line) you may 
> survive ... like The One Legged Tortoise.
>
> Search: subject: One AND Legged AND Tortoise 
> 
>
> An aside
> TT
>

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[tw5] Re: Finding Stuff Here: "The One Legged Tortoise" problem

[TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Hans

I was skeptical when Mohammad pushed forward on using tags. 
I thought they might create a "two-tier" system that would add to the 
confusion of finding things.
I changed my mind when I saw them working. 

Tags really help find things by providing a neat way to hone searches.

FWIW, when I read other peoples threads I nowadays sometimes add (obvious) 
tags to them: it is v. easy online.

Best wishes
TT

On Monday, 2 December 2019 23:15:06 UTC+1, HansWobbe wrote:
>
> @ Mohammad:
>
> Thanks for the very useful reminder about the "Search for messages" 
> facility.
>
> @ Josiah:
>
>
>- As tags appear more frequently, I suspect "Newbies" will figure out 
>how to use them.
>- The same may happen for existing users who have simply over-looked 
>the value of Tags in prior times.
>- Email users may miss oot of edited content.  However, whenever a new 
>post is appended, it is popped back to the top.  If people occasionally 
>take the time to edit the "Lede" item, and add a bit of useful refined 
>comment, then ever more polished content will result.  Don't forget there 
>is also nothing stopping anyone from adding a Search command as a Link, to 
>the first post (they edit within a Thread).
>   - for example: z_tag 
>    
>   (which actually finds the string in both Text and Tag instances)
>   
> Cheers,
> Hans
>

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[tw5] Re: Finding Stuff Here: "The One Legged Tortoise" problem

[TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Mohammad

I done a bunch of testing of the native GG searcher. 
It's quite difficult to get the best out of. 
I'll post a guide to getting more from it soon.

Best wishes
TT

On Monday, 2 December 2019 22:42:31 UTC+1, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hi Josiah,
>  I am not sure if you have discussed this before! but on Google forum page 
> (web) there is a search box at the top of the page with a big blue button!
> In the right side of that searchbox you see a down arrow (show search 
> option) if you click you will have many options to make search in the forum!
> It is amazing that the search string will be written in the searchbox and 
> you can see how Google makes search in the forum!
>
> --Mohammad
>
>
>
> On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 7:29:50 PM UTC+3:30, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> A *thing is* finding what has been done in this GG.
>>
>> It's too Darwinian by far. Past threads are automatically put on the 
>> Extinction List.
>>
>> But IF you have some unique string (especially in a subject line) you may 
>> survive ... like The One Legged Tortoise.
>>
>> Search: subject: One AND Legged AND Tortoise 
>> 
>>
>> An aside
>> TT
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Finding Stuff Here: "The One Legged Tortoise" problem

[HansWobbe]

@ Mohammad:

Thanks for the very useful reminder about the "Search for messages" 
facility.

@ Josiah:


   - As tags appear more frequently, I suspect "Newbies" will figure out 
   how to use them.
   - The same may happen for existing users who have simply over-looked the 
   value of Tags in prior times.
   - Email users may miss oot of edited content.  However, whenever a new 
   post is appended, it is popped back to the top.  If people occasionally 
   take the time to edit the "Lede" item, and add a bit of useful refined 
   comment, then ever mre polished content will result.  Don't forget there is 
   also nothing stopping anyone from adding a Search command as a Link, to the 
   first post.

Cheers,
Hans

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[tw5] Re: Finding Stuff Here: "The One Legged Tortoise" problem

[Mohammad]

Hi Josiah,
 I am not sure if you have discussed this before! but on Google forum page 
(web) there is a search box at the top of the page with a big blue button!
In the right side of that searchbox you see a down arrow (show search 
option) if you click you will have many options to make search in the forum!
It is amazing that the search string will be written in the searchbox and 
you can see how Google makes search in the forum!

--Mohammad



On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 7:29:50 PM UTC+3:30, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> A *thing is* finding what has been done in this GG.
>
> It's too Darwinian by far. Past threads are automatically put on the 
> Extinction List.
>
> But IF you have some unique string (especially in a subject line) you may 
> survive ... like The One Legged Tortoise.
>
> Search: subject: One AND Legged AND Tortoise 
> 
>
> An aside
> TT
>

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[tw5] Re: Finding Stuff Here: "The One Legged Tortoise" problem

[TiddlyTweeter]

HansWobbe wrote:
>
> One thing that seems to be missing in this Community is the ENTHUSIASTIC 
> Category assignment 
>

Ciao Hans

This are at least THREE reasons  for that ...
 
1 - new users don't know you can add tags ("categories") to posts. 
 We give NO INTRO FOR NEWBIES so they won't know to do it.

2 - many existing users do NOT know you can CREATE at will new tags on 
posts--on anyone's thread at any time;

3 - a lot of the more tech users here prefer EMAIL. Email users can't 
either create or see tags.

The overall result is a HALF-BAKED system that is more cumbersome than it 
could be. 

Thanks for your interest!
TT

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[tw5] Re: Finding Stuff Here: "The One Legged Tortoise" problem

[HansWobbe]

There are indeed some very effective and innovative techniques to find 
precisely what is wanted.

One thing that seems to be missing in this Community is the ENTHUSIASTIC 
Category assignment that took place in the days of WardsWiki (the Portland 
Pattern Repository).  Given that TW has much better Logic, Tag Search 
capabilities I fail understand why those existing capabilities are not used 
to solve the problem of Finding Information.

For me, that remains a perplexing puzzle that I will try to chip away at.  
After all, the tale is that Michelangelo created his statue of David by 
simply removing all of the stone that did not look like the foreseen 
result, one chip at a time.

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[tw5] Re: Finding Stuff Here: "The One Legged Tortoise" problem

[TiddlyTweeter]

email repeat ...

A *thing is* finding what has been done in this GG.

It's too Darwinian by far. Past threads are automatically put on the 
Extinction List.

But IF you have some unique string (especially in a subject line) you may 
survive ... like The One Legged Tortoise.

Search: subject: One AND Legged AND Tortoise 


An aside
TT

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