[tw5] Re: Quinoid 0.0.7alpha - Sharing. Auto-loading.
Thanks for the feedback Tony. It's possible that Android didn't have the "ask for permissions" in place yet at A7. Or the technique I'm using is broken for 7 but works for others. The problem is that Guugle keeps changing things up. I spend about 90% of my time just studying approaches to various problems. The sharing is definitely just for text right now. I imagine that, among other things, there would need to be coding to prevent over-sized documents from crashing the app altogether. Thanks! -- Mark On Tuesday, March 5, 2019 at 10:11:32 PM UTC-8, TonyM wrote: > > Mark, > > I remember getting asked about storage permissions in the past (8.0.0) but > I also upgraded the existing install, by installing the next version > without removing the last and this may have retained the previous > permissions. > > I have done a fresh install Q 190302a to a fresh android 7.0.0 (I could > not download apk on the phone, got a Forbidden Message before download > finished) Instead used my desktop connection copy apk to phone. Enable > install from Foreign sources, > > >1. Ok Installing "Do you want to install this application?, It does >not require any special access" > Install > "App installed" Open > >unfortunately Quinoid has stopped Reload? >2. Attempted opening from App Draw, similar result, stopped > - This seems to be because the permissions were not asked for >3. Settings > General > Apps > Scroll to Quinoid Press > "No >Permissions Granted" Storage and Your location available and selected >4. Open Quinoid from the app draw now opens Fine >5. Recent TW (odd TW5GDrive.html is in recent) From my Google Drive, >Opened Tiddlywiki and it works well >6. Quinoid > Download Test > Took time but appeared in List, Found in >Documents TwFiles >7. Dropped another tiddleyWiki into TwFiles , Closed App, Re-opened >app, Appears in List > > Set lasy Wiki as clp yes > >- Shared GitHub Page to Quinoid datestamp tiddler contains working link >- Selected Text from Google Group Post and Shared with Quinoid text >and links in tack Quinoid datestamp tiddler >- Shared a ToodleDo Task into TiddlyWiki >- Attempt to share 3gp file, an audio file To Quinoid not available >- Shared a news item from ABC (Aus) SNipit and Text captured > > I will try more share items and document > > Regards > Tony > > > On Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 12:58:35 PM UTC+11, Mark S. wrote: >> >> Thanks for your feedback! >> >> Do you remember if you had to go into permissions on your 8.0 device? Or >> did it ask you? >> >> In theory it should ask about permissions, but I don't know at what >> generation that feature gets activated. >> >> Did anyone here get *asked* about storage permissions when they >> installed? Obviously I should have been taking better notes ... >> >> Thanks! >> -- Mark >> >> On Tuesday, March 5, 2019 at 2:48:25 PM UTC-8, TonyM wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I just installed Qunioid on my new phone (Android 7.0.0) and and it >>> failed, until I went into app permissions and granted storage and Location. >>> >>> Yes, I seem to of moved from Android 8.0.0 to 7.0.0 I bought a new LG >>> V20 for a measly $268 AUD which is a fantastic price but it happens to be >>> the 910 not the 990ds model I originally had. I am yet to see if the >>> android version will update, but now I have a second platform on which to >>> test Quinoid. >>> >>> Regards >>> Tony >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, 4 March 2019 07:53:17 UTC+11, TonyM wrote: Looking great mark Sharing a link into tw from the google group conversation - the browser address bar is fab. Love your work Tony -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/d3dfc211-4cd7-4d10-a56d-073688381a25%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw5] Re: Quinoid 0.0.7alpha - Sharing. Auto-loading.
Mark, I remember getting asked about storage permissions in the past (8.0.0) but I also upgraded the existing install, by installing the next version without removing the last and this may have retained the previous permissions. I have done a fresh install Q 190302a to a fresh android 7.0.0 (I could not download apk on the phone, got a Forbidden Message before download finished) Instead used my desktop connection copy apk to phone. Enable install from Foreign sources, 1. Ok Installing "Do you want to install this application?, It does not require any special access" > Install > "App installed" Open > unfortunately Quinoid has stopped Reload? 2. Attempted opening from App Draw, similar result, stopped - This seems to be because the permissions were not asked for 3. Settings > General > Apps > Scroll to Quinoid Press > "No Permissions Granted" Storage and Your location available and selected 4. Open Quinoid from the app draw now opens Fine 5. Recent TW (odd TW5GDrive.html is in recent) From my Google Drive, Opened Tiddlywiki and it works well 6. Quinoid > Download Test > Took time but appeared in List, Found in Documents TwFiles 7. Dropped another tiddleyWiki into TwFiles , Closed App, Re-opened app, Appears in List Set lasy Wiki as clp yes - Shared GitHub Page to Quinoid datestamp tiddler contains working link - Selected Text from Google Group Post and Shared with Quinoid text and links in tack Quinoid datestamp tiddler - Shared a ToodleDo Task into TiddlyWiki - Attempt to share 3gp file, an audio file To Quinoid not available - Shared a news item from ABC (Aus) SNipit and Text captured I will try more share items and document Regards Tony On Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 12:58:35 PM UTC+11, Mark S. wrote: > > Thanks for your feedback! > > Do you remember if you had to go into permissions on your 8.0 device? Or > did it ask you? > > In theory it should ask about permissions, but I don't know at what > generation that feature gets activated. > > Did anyone here get *asked* about storage permissions when they installed? > Obviously I should have been taking better notes ... > > Thanks! > -- Mark > > On Tuesday, March 5, 2019 at 2:48:25 PM UTC-8, TonyM wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I just installed Qunioid on my new phone (Android 7.0.0) and and it >> failed, until I went into app permissions and granted storage and Location. >> >> Yes, I seem to of moved from Android 8.0.0 to 7.0.0 I bought a new LG V20 >> for a measly $268 AUD which is a fantastic price but it happens to be the >> 910 not the 990ds model I originally had. I am yet to see if the android >> version will update, but now I have a second platform on which to test >> Quinoid. >> >> Regards >> Tony >> >> >> >> On Monday, 4 March 2019 07:53:17 UTC+11, TonyM wrote: >>> >>> Looking great mark >>> >>> Sharing a link into tw from the google group conversation - the browser >>> address bar is fab. >>> >>> Love your work >>> Tony >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/21af93e3-7e7b-42cd-9bac-278963af09dd%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw5] Re: Quinoid 0.0.7alpha - Sharing. Auto-loading.
Thanks for your feedback! Do you remember if you had to go into permissions on your 8.0 device? Or did it ask you? In theory it should ask about permissions, but I don't know at what generation that feature gets activated. Did anyone here get *asked* about storage permissions when they installed? Obviously I should have been taking better notes ... Thanks! -- Mark On Tuesday, March 5, 2019 at 2:48:25 PM UTC-8, TonyM wrote: > > Hi, > > I just installed Qunioid on my new phone (Android 7.0.0) and and it > failed, until I went into app permissions and granted storage and Location. > > Yes, I seem to of moved from Android 8.0.0 to 7.0.0 I bought a new LG V20 > for a measly $268 AUD which is a fantastic price but it happens to be the > 910 not the 990ds model I originally had. I am yet to see if the android > version will update, but now I have a second platform on which to test > Quinoid. > > Regards > Tony > > > > On Monday, 4 March 2019 07:53:17 UTC+11, TonyM wrote: >> >> Looking great mark >> >> Sharing a link into tw from the google group conversation - the browser >> address bar is fab. >> >> Love your work >> Tony >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/93ebc03b-58fe-4215-938b-5730949532f0%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw5] Re: Quinoid 0.0.7alpha - Sharing. Auto-loading.
Hi, I just installed Qunioid on my new phone (Android 7.0.0) and and it failed, until I went into app permissions and granted storage and Location. Yes, I seem to of moved from Android 8.0.0 to 7.0.0 I bought a new LG V20 for a measly $268 AUD which is a fantastic price but it happens to be the 910 not the 990ds model I originally had. I am yet to see if the android version will update, but now I have a second platform on which to test Quinoid. Regards Tony On Monday, 4 March 2019 07:53:17 UTC+11, TonyM wrote: > > Looking great mark > > Sharing a link into tw from the google group conversation - the browser > address bar is fab. > > Love your work > Tony > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/6b325f2e-8cfc-4f67-bb9e-d91adbafd536%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw5] Re: Quinoid 0.0.7alpha - Sharing. Auto-loading.
Fully agree. I think the long-press is good. Re greying--it never occurred to me :-) Best wishes Josiah On Sunday, 3 March 2019 18:58:12 UTC+1, Mark S. wrote: > > The Brw and Clp give visual reminders of which items have been selected > for browsing or as clipboards. I greyed them out to indicate that they > can't be clicked here. If my rusty memory serves, I chose to go this route > with the long-press because if I made it edit in place (1. people would > always be accidentally making the wrong choices 2. I lose the long-press > ability) I felt putting it all under long-press was useful because that way > not everything relating to a tiddler file would have to appear on the list. > For instance, the "remove" option is inside the long-press menu where it > won't be accidentally invoked by someone just trying to browse up or down > the list. > > I tend to be utilitarian in my approach, figuring that the aesthetics can > be tweaked later after I know the base technology is somewhat solid. > > Thanks! > -- Mark > > > On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 8:52:59 AM UTC-8, @TiddlyTweeter wrote: >> >> Ciao Mark S. >> >> Just started looking at it. Small design issue. Perhaps it should not >> indicate checkboxes in the main menu since you can't click them? They are >> set elsewhere. >> >> [image: Pixel20190303_174422.jpg] >> >> >> Just a thought >> Josiah >> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/91fd523a-63b9-4e80-882c-5499aab24b5d%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw5] Re: Quinoid 0.0.7alpha - Sharing. Auto-loading.
Looking great mark Sharing a link into tw from the google group conversation - the browser address bar is fab. Love your work Tony -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/32942bb2-1ec6-41bf-aadf-01cfb5ab0984%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw5] Re: Quinoid 0.0.7alpha - Sharing. Auto-loading.
Hi Mark No, it didn't ask for any permissions here. In my case I had to allow install from unknown source, install, then go back to settings and give storage permission. I gave location permission too but I doubt you've had time to wizard that. Downloading empty test TWs works and files open in quinoid. (Found the empty files outside of Quinoid in Documents/Twfiles if anybody else is looking - they're named empty and timestamped which is great). Sharing from a variety of apps works for me. If you share from an app but don't look at the share in quinoid immediately, and carry on browsing and sharing, clips are added cumulatively to the same tiddler. If you look at the 'share' on Quinoid before continuing to clip then a new tiddler is created. For me a new tiddler for every 'clip' is better, but others may disagree. You are still getting the basic functions working I know, so don't take that as a criticism. It works! Standard 'highlight and share' only shares unformatted plain text. Images, audio, video don't share by default at the moment. However, an rss reader I use offers a 'share source' option and that put the html into Quinoid with working links and images. In firefox, 'view page source', select all, share to quinoid does the same. Nice! Everything else is working - I'll keep you posted if I find anything but it's looking really good, thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/d5d16195-a11d-4b68-83e7-209e751500dd%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw5] Re: Quinoid 0.0.7alpha - Sharing. Auto-loading.
The Brw and Clp give visual reminders of which items have been selected for browsing or as clipboards. I greyed them out to indicate that they can't be clicked here. If my rusty memory serves, I chose to go this route with the long-press because if I made it edit in place (1. people would always be accidentally making the wrong choices 2. I lose the long-press ability) I felt putting it all under long-press was useful because that way not everything relating to a tiddler file would have to appear on the list. For instance, the "remove" option is inside the long-press menu where it won't be accidentally invoked by someone just trying to browse up or down the list. I tend to be utilitarian in my approach, figuring that the aesthetics can be tweaked later after I know the base technology is somewhat solid. Thanks! -- Mark On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 8:52:59 AM UTC-8, @TiddlyTweeter wrote: > > Ciao Mark S. > > Just started looking at it. Small design issue. Perhaps it should not > indicate checkboxes in the main menu since you can't click them? They are > set elsewhere. > > [image: Pixel20190303_174422.jpg] > > > Just a thought > Josiah > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/80a40edf-1bb1-42b6-97ce-9f10c49d8193%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw5] Re: Quinoid 0.0.7alpha - Sharing. Auto-loading.
Hi Watt, Thanks for letting me know it's working now. Did it ask you for permissions when you installed, or do you have to remember to grant permissions every time you install? If the latter, perhaps I need to add some notes to the readme. The problem is (one of the problems is) that Android has done some tweaks to the security system for every version from 4.4 to 9. Yes, I didn't think of that. You probably do need to move out of the browse pages in order to see the shared text. The reason is that there isn't a "live", ongoing connection between the TW file and the environment, because TW files are javascript. The live connection is between the environment and the Q app. The Q app saves the shares and then inserts them into the TW page when it gets loaded. Maybe this should be added to the notes too. It's the best I can do at the moment. The main thing is that the shares will eventually make their way into the TW file. Thanks! -- Mark On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 9:34:55 AM UTC-8, Watt wrote: > > I got it working Mark, forgot to grant 'storage permission' to the new > version! Having done that it opens fine. > Downloaded a test empty tw- works. > > Long press on title lets me check browse andd clip - works. > > Sharing works! A bit jumpy, and some quirks but succeeded in sharing > tiddly tweeter's comment into a tiddler and a weblink into another. Really, > well done. It's very useful. > > The shares didn't show until after I'd exited to the list and back but > they are there, each in individual, timestamped tiddlers. > > I'm going to play with it some more and come back to you but so far so > good! Thanks. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/b11d41f5-38d1-468f-9b0f-82a19e16b9bf%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw5] Re: Quinoid 0.0.7alpha - Sharing. Auto-loading.
I got it working Mark, forgot to grant 'storage permission' to the new version! Having done that it opens fine. Downloaded a test empty tw- works. Long press on title lets me check browse andd clip - works. Sharing works! A bit jumpy, and some quirks but succeeded in sharing tiddly tweeter's comment into a tiddler and a weblink into another. Really, well done. It's very useful. The shares didn't show until after I'd exited to the list and back but they are there, each in individual, timestamped tiddlers. I'm going to play with it some more and come back to you but so far so good! Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/e89557d1-a189-4bde-9c34-515b75e168e3%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw5] Re: Quinoid 0.0.7alpha - Sharing. Auto-loading.
Ciao Mark S. This is just a comment--I'm neutral on the solution. The question: With advent of clippo-function is does the install need a Help Wiki built in? Or some link to instructions? At the moment I find myself having to read notes via my desktop to understand what to do on my dumb-arse-phone. A dopo. Josiah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/574a2b70-2341-4353-b1a4-07cd27c217e9%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw5] Re: Quinoid 0.0.7alpha - Sharing. Auto-loading.
Ciao Mark S. Just started looking at it. Small design issue. Perhaps it should not indicate checkboxes in the main menu since you can't click them? They are set elsewhere. [image: Pixel20190303_174422.jpg] Just a thought Josiah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/fa430fab-ca19-458c-8ce4-46c4e0b7e9a3%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
