[tw5] Re: To Spellcheck or not to spellcheck

[Captain Packers]

Does anyone know if it's possible to add to the dictionary?

On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 2:17:58 PM UTC-5, Captain Packers wrote:
>
> I'm creating some distributable documentation in TiddlyWiki and faced with 
> a dilemma.
>
> The dilemma is the seemingly mutually exclusive but highly desirable 
> features of the need for spell checking, ease of use with regard to saving, 
> and generating an easily distributed self-contained wiki in a single html 
> file.
>
> I like TiddlyDesktop because it creates a self-contained wiki in an easy 
> to distribute, single html file. But I don't want to distribute a product 
> with a lot of spelling errors.
>
> I also like node.js tiddlywiki because it uses the built in spell checking 
> of the browser, but I don't think conversion to a single file html file is 
> simple or straightforward.
>
> Sure wish the simplicity of these two could somehow be combined.
>
> I'm wondering what folks are doing as a work around the this dilemma.
>
> Appreciate any feedback
>

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[tw5] Re: To Spellcheck or not to spellcheck

[Mohammad]

I hope BTC see this thread and answer your question.
He is the developer of spell check plugin.

There is another way to spell check see below post by Jeremy Ruston

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/c3y-PycRP4M/V0IyOvR0AAAJ


Best

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[tw5] Re: To Spellcheck or not to spellcheck

[Captain Packers]

OK. It's working now. Thanks to all for the help.

One caveat for using this with TiddlyDesktop is that I cannot drag and drop 
plugins to a tiddlywiki running in TiddlyDesktop without TiddlyDesktop 
crashing. The only way I've been able to make this work in TiddlyDesktop is 
to download the tiddlywiki html file from 
codemirror-spellcheck.tiddlyspot.com and use it as a template. So I'm not 
convinced this is the best solution for building distributable stand alone 
wiki with spell check support. Will there be long term support for the 
spell checker? 

I still think the best solution is create a node tidllywiki, taking 
advantage of the browser's built in spell cheking, then export/import the 
tiddlers into a blank TiddlyDesktop tiddlywiki.

On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 10:57:29 PM UTC-5, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Capitan,
>
> You need to import the below plugins and tiddler to have spellcheck 
> working: (spellcheck plugin, codemirror plugin, hacked engin.js)
>
> 1. 
> http://codemirror-spellcheck.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fcodemirror-spellcheck
> 2. 
> http://codemirror-spellcheck.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fcodemirror
> 3. 
> http://codemirror-spellcheck.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fcodemirror%2Fengine.js
>
>
> No need to have the highlight.js as Julio said!
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 4:12:06 AM UTC+3:30, Julio Peña wrote:
>>
>> Hello Captain and all:
>>
>> Captain, hopefully you didn't forget to import this file? 
>> $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/highlight 
>> 
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Julio
>>
>> On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 5:24:55 PM UTC-5, Captain Packers wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the quick reply Mohammad. I've imported the codemirror and 
>>> dictionary tiddlers into my tiddlywiki, but it does not highlight 
>>> misspelled words in my tiddlywiki like it does in his. I wonder what I'm 
>>> missing yet?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 5:09:56 PM UTC-5, Mohammad wrote:

 Hi Capitan,
  This code was developed by BTC, he knows the detail very well.
 But in Summary, It uses a dictionary file plus a hacked codemirror.js 
 file.

 So, open http://codemirror-spellcheck.tiddlyspot.com/ and import those 
 two tiddlers into your wiki.

 It works in Tiddlydesktop!

 I hope BTC have a look at this thread and give you details on that.


 Best
 Mohammad

>>>

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[tw5] Re: To Spellcheck or not to spellcheck

[Mohammad]

Capitan,

You need to import the below plugins and tiddler to have spellcheck 
working: (spellcheck plugin, codemirror plugin, hacked engin.js)

1. 
http://codemirror-spellcheck.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fcodemirror-spellcheck
2. 
http://codemirror-spellcheck.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fcodemirror
3. 
http://codemirror-spellcheck.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fcodemirror%2Fengine.js


No need to have the highlight.js as Julio said!




On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 4:12:06 AM UTC+3:30, Julio Peña wrote:
>
> Hello Captain and all:
>
> Captain, hopefully you didn't forget to import this file? 
> $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/highlight 
> 
>
> Best regards,
>
> Julio
>
> On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 5:24:55 PM UTC-5, Captain Packers wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the quick reply Mohammad. I've imported the codemirror and 
>> dictionary tiddlers into my tiddlywiki, but it does not highlight 
>> misspelled words in my tiddlywiki like it does in his. I wonder what I'm 
>> missing yet?
>>
>>
>> On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 5:09:56 PM UTC-5, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Capitan,
>>>  This code was developed by BTC, he knows the detail very well.
>>> But in Summary, It uses a dictionary file plus a hacked codemirror.js 
>>> file.
>>>
>>> So, open http://codemirror-spellcheck.tiddlyspot.com/ and import those 
>>> two tiddlers into your wiki.
>>>
>>> It works in Tiddlydesktop!
>>>
>>> I hope BTC have a look at this thread and give you details on that.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: To Spellcheck or not to spellcheck

[Julio Peña]

Hello Captain and all:

Captain, hopefully you didn't forget to import this file? 
$:/plugins/tiddlywiki/highlight 


Best regards,

Julio

On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 5:24:55 PM UTC-5, Captain Packers wrote:
>
> Thanks for the quick reply Mohammad. I've imported the codemirror and 
> dictionary tiddlers into my tiddlywiki, but it does not highlight 
> misspelled words in my tiddlywiki like it does in his. I wonder what I'm 
> missing yet?
>
>
> On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 5:09:56 PM UTC-5, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Hi Capitan,
>>  This code was developed by BTC, he knows the detail very well.
>> But in Summary, It uses a dictionary file plus a hacked codemirror.js 
>> file.
>>
>> So, open http://codemirror-spellcheck.tiddlyspot.com/ and import those 
>> two tiddlers into your wiki.
>>
>> It works in Tiddlydesktop!
>>
>> I hope BTC have a look at this thread and give you details on that.
>>
>>
>> Best
>> Mohammad
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: To Spellcheck or not to spellcheck

[Captain Packers]

Thanks for the quick reply Mohammad. I've imported the codemirror and 
dictionary tiddlers into my tiddlywiki, but it does not highlight 
misspelled words in my tiddlywiki like it does in his. I wonder what I'm 
missing yet?


On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 5:09:56 PM UTC-5, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hi Capitan,
>  This code was developed by BTC, he knows the detail very well.
> But in Summary, It uses a dictionary file plus a hacked codemirror.js file.
>
> So, open http://codemirror-spellcheck.tiddlyspot.com/ and import those 
> two tiddlers into your wiki.
>
> It works in Tiddlydesktop!
>
> I hope BTC have a look at this thread and give you details on that.
>
>
> Best
> Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Re: To Spellcheck or not to spellcheck

[Mohammad]

Hi Capitan,
 This code was developed by BTC, he knows the detail very well.
But in Summary, It uses a dictionary file plus a hacked codemirror.js file.

So, open http://codemirror-spellcheck.tiddlyspot.com/ and import those two 
tiddlers into your wiki.

It works in Tiddlydesktop!

I hope BTC have a look at this thread and give you details on that.


Best
Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: To Spellcheck or not to spellcheck

[Captain Packers]

Mohammad,

Can you give me a little help with how to set this up and use it in 
TiddlyDesktop?

Is it a node npm package I need to intall?

I installed the CodeMirror plugin in my TiddlyWiki. Now how do I get it to 
use the dictionary?

On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 11:24:07 PM UTC-5, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Captain,
>  Take a look also at
>
> http://codemirror-spellcheck.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> Specll check works in Tiddlydesktop and codemirror! The only concern is 
> the size of dictionary is used for spell checking!
>
>
> -Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Re: To Spellcheck or not to spellcheck

[Captain Packers]

Thanks for pointing this out. I may try this, but I have not yet ventured 
to try the CodeMirror editor. Is it better than the built-in editor?

On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 11:24:07 PM UTC-5, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Captain,
>  Take a look also at
>
> http://codemirror-spellcheck.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> Specll check works in Tiddlydesktop and codemirror! The only concern is 
> the size of dictionary is used for spell checking!
>
>
> -Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Re: To Spellcheck or not to spellcheck

[h0p3]

@ Jed

Thank you for building this incredible toolset. It's badass. Among the many 
things it does (and you obviously know more than I do about what it can and 
will be used for), your tool makes Tiddlywiki a realtime GUI terminal for 
me, and it makes scripting outside of javascript for my wiki more 
worthwhile too. I suggest you have defeated some difficult race conditions.

> I just realised that I haven't released a lot of what I made after I got 
frustrated with some things so I haven't released my tools yet. But I have 
made things for Bob that take a single file wiki and split it up into .tid 
files and multiple methods for compiling a single file wiki from Bob. But 
compiling .tids into a single file should be a single button click. The two 
main methods I have right now are a download button that gives you the 
current wiki as a single html file without the Bob plugin or any of the 
server plugins (so like the download empty button on tiddlywiki.com, but it 
downloads the current wiki) and one that can take tiddlers from any of the 
wikis served by Bob and complies them into a single html file.

I will gladly click. I'll likely be running a bare minimum OS and browser 
with automated clicking inside a virtual machine to do it though. I just 
saw you had a release today. I'm excited to use it.

> So using Bob to edit and have it give you a single file wiki is possible, 
I just never got around to publishing it.

I am grateful to be able to see your previously unpublished work. Even the 
sketch of how you think it should be done is valuable to me. 

> I don't know what you use for signing but that doesn't sound like a bad 
idea for distributing wikis that aren't meant to be edited.

I use PyNaLC (https://github.com/pyca/pynacl). I sign the wiki every 
minute. Currently, the signature file is separate, but I'm going to be 
saving the signature inside the wiki instead soon enough (when I get to 
it). The script will remove the old signature, generate the new signature, 
and place it in. I use a script to verify (which comes with the wiki too). 
I can't say I'm good at this part either, but I very much want my wiki to 
be self-contained. 

> I am dyslexic and can barely read anything on your site so I have no idea 
what your process is there, so I don't think I can help much with that part.

I'm sorry. Perhaps I should offer an easy way to change the font to 
something more palatable (though, I daresay legibility improvements might 
not improve its readability). You have already helped with the process I 
have in mind! I'm re-engineering the backend of my process in virtue of Bob.

@ TonyM

Thank you very much. I actually did some testing in light of what you said 
and developed a response (it's sitting on my wiki), but now I can see that 
what I had to say is irrelevant with Jed's new release of Bob today. The 
export is clean and fast. Yay!

On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 5:58:17 AM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:
>
> H0p3,
>
> As much as we seperate save and export, I understand they are effectively 
> the same thing. During the save process a filter is used To choose the 
> tiddlers which ultimately saves the whole wiki. So you could build a wiki 
> with authorship tools that generates a published wiki without those tools 
> through the use of a custom export filter. Perhaps a username could be one 
> of the filters or export everything except a subset.
>
> I can think of another possible mechanisium I will share soon.
>
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: To Spellcheck or not to spellcheck

[TonyM]

H0p3,

As much as we seperate save and export, I understand they are effectively the 
same thing. During the save process a filter is used To choose the tiddlers 
which ultimately saves the whole wiki. So you could build a wiki with 
authorship tools that generates a published wiki without those tools through 
the use of a custom export filter. Perhaps a username could be one of the 
filters or export everything except a subset.

I can think of another possible mechanisium I will share soon.

Tony

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[tw5] Re: To Spellcheck or not to spellcheck

[Jed Carty]

h0p3,

I just realised that I haven't released a lot of what I made after I got 
frustrated with some things so I haven't released my tools yet. But I have 
made things for Bob that take a single file wiki and split it up into .tid 
files and multiple methods for compiling a single file wiki from Bob. But 
compiling .tids into a single file should be a single button click. The two 
main methods I have right now are a download button that gives you the 
current wiki as a single html file without the Bob plugin or any of the 
server plugins (so like the download empty button on tiddlywiki.com, but it 
downloads the current wiki) and one that can take tiddlers from any of the 
wikis served by Bob and complies them into a single html file.

So using Bob to edit and have it give you a single file wiki is possible, I 
just never got around to publishing it.

I don't know what you use for signing but that doesn't sound like a bad 
idea for distributing wikis that aren't meant to be edited.

I am dyslexic and can barely read anything on your site so I have no idea 
what your process is there, so I don't think I can help much with that part.

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[tw5] Re: To Spellcheck or not to spellcheck

[h0p3]

We're in somewhat similar shoes. A cryptographically signable single html 
file is always my product. After two years of just working on the 
single-file (using browser extensions to save), I'm taking another look at 
splitting up my development environment from the product itself (while 
maintaining the ability to effortlessly switch back to my battle-tested 
single-file editing mode). I require my browser extensions to productively 
work on my wiki; Grammarly has been a very useful tool in editing my wiki 
(my grammar is often awful).


The game changer for me is Bob's bi-directional input from .tid and 
browser. I'm going to be testing (and likely benchmarking) whatever methods 
there are for compiling the .tid files into a single file (and I'm willing 
to look at convoluted answers). I'm not sure if there is a simple or 
performant answer here, but I'm looking for one. I'd like to compile every 
minute for my toolchain, but I've found compilation (and decompilation) to 
be computationally expensive (although it's been a while since I've done 
it). I want to edit in my browser using a Bob server and have the 
single-file product automatically generated and distributed for me (with a 
cherry on top).


This is my current insane approach (there has to be a better way!):


https://philosopher.life/#Wiki%3A%20Rube-Goldberg%20Machine:%5B%5BWiki%3A%20Rube-Goldberg%20Machine%5D%5D


I'll let you know how it goes if you're interested, especially if I find a 
clean way to have your cake and eat it too.


On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 2:17:58 PM UTC-5, Captain Packers wrote:
>
> I'm creating some distributable documentation in TiddlyWiki and faced with 
> a dilemma.
>
> The dilemma is the seemingly mutually exclusive but highly desirable 
> features of the need for spell checking, ease of use with regard to saving, 
> and generating an easily distributed self-contained wiki in a single html 
> file.
>
> I like TiddlyDesktop because it creates a self-contained wiki in an easy 
> to distribute, single html file. But I don't want to distribute a product 
> with a lot of spelling errors.
>
> I also like node.js tiddlywiki because it uses the built in spell checking 
> of the browser, but I don't think conversion to a single file html file is 
> simple or straightforward.
>
> Sure wish the simplicity of these two could somehow be combined.
>
> I'm wondering what folks are doing as a work around the this dilemma.
>
> Appreciate any feedback
>

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[tw5] Re: To Spellcheck or not to spellcheck

[Mohammad]

Captain,
 Take a look also at

http://codemirror-spellcheck.tiddlyspot.com/

Specll check works in Tiddlydesktop and codemirror! The only concern is the 
size of dictionary is used for spell checking!


-Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: To Spellcheck or not to spellcheck

[Jed Carty]

Bob lets you create wikis using node with easy saving and you can export 
single file wikis from it.


https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-BobEXE

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[tw5] Re: To Spellcheck or not to spellcheck

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

There are multiple single-file save solutions. TiddlyServer is a lot like 
node, but serves both single files and data files. As a plus, when using 
data files, you can click on save and download a single file version. It 
has a lot of other features that, to my way of thinking, make it one of the 
top ways to save on TW.

-- Mark

On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 11:17:58 AM UTC-8, Captain Packers wrote:
>
> I'm creating some distributable documentation in TiddlyWiki and faced with 
> a dilemma.
>
> The dilemma is the seemingly mutually exclusive but highly desirable 
> features of the need for spell checking, ease of use with regard to saving, 
> and generating an easily distributed self-contained wiki in a single html 
> file.
>
> I like TiddlyDesktop because it creates a self-contained wiki in an easy 
> to distribute, single html file. But I don't want to distribute a product 
> with a lot of spelling errors.
>
> I also like node.js tiddlywiki because it uses the built in spell checking 
> of the browser, but I don't think conversion to a single file html file is 
> simple or straightforward.
>
> Sure wish the simplicity of these two could somehow be combined.
>
> I'm wondering what folks are doing as a work around the this dilemma.
>
> Appreciate any feedback
>

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