[tw5] Re: Is it better to host images externally rathern than in TW for performance?

2018-07-14 Thread talha131 


Thank you Mark. I wasn’t aware of this feature. I have switched to lazy 
loading and hosting images inside TW. Let see how long until TW starts 
showing signs of stress. :)
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[tw5] Re: Is it better to host images externally rathern than in TW for performance?

2018-07-14 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 
You can supposedly use lazy loading with  the current node version of TW, 
and presumably the variants like Bob. Basically images get loaded only on 
demand. 

-- Mark

On Saturday, July 14, 2018 at 7:06:58 AM UTC-7, talha131 wrote:
>
> Right, mostly screenshots. I too make each image go through ImageOptim 
>  or sometimes change png to low quality jpg 
> before using them.
>
> With the next version of tiddlywiki or a future version of bob there will 
> be a secure online node solution where it should be irrelevant the number 
> and size of images in tiddlers however you will be able to download a 
> single file offline tiddlywiki and this is when the size of the images will 
> matter. 
>
> That’d would be interesting. I use tiddlywiki on NodeJS. Would love to get 
> my hands on this feature.
> ​
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[tw5] Re: Is it better to host images externally rathern than in TW for performance?

2018-07-14 Thread talha131 


Right, mostly screenshots. I too make each image go through ImageOptim 
 or sometimes change png to low quality jpg before 
using them.

With the next version of tiddlywiki or a future version of bob there will 
be a secure online node solution where it should be irrelevant the number 
and size of images in tiddlers however you will be able to download a 
single file offline tiddlywiki and this is when the size of the images will 
matter. 

That’d would be interesting. I use tiddlywiki on NodeJS. Would love to get 
my hands on this feature.
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[tw5] Re: Is it better to host images externally rathern than in TW for performance?

2018-07-13 Thread TonyM 
Talah,

I am guessing you use of images is photographs or snapshots which are 
handled in the way this thread discusses.

Personally if I use photos in a tiddlywiki I simply apply the compression 
and sizing I would do on any website before placing them in the wiki.

However for most applications I personally use images for buttons or 
illustration and small pngs or regular svgs are what I use and I have not 
yet needed to externalise images.

With the next version of tiddlywiki or a future version of bob there will 
be a secure online node solution where it should be irrelevant the number 
and size of images in tiddlers however you will be able to download a 
single file offline tiddlywiki and this is when the size of the images will 
matter. 

I am also interested in the various diagramming and graphing tools as they 
also communicate graphically with a much lower byte requirement. The plugin 
is rarely as big as a single raster photo and can generate 100s of 
representations in the same space as a second raster image.

Perhaps we should all background the type and way we wish to use images in 
tiddlywiki rather than just "images" in general because they do have 
different tricks and treatments.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: Is it better to host images externally rathern than in TW for performance?

2018-07-13 Thread talha131 


I don’t use Windows much. But I have had good experience with ShareX 
.

On Mac, I use mac2Imgur .

Here is a list of tools 
 that 
integrate nicely with imgur. 

Finally, there is JumpShare  which has cross 
platform support, and offers much more than image sharing. I stopped using 
it b/c its free account is limited and Imgur isn’t.
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[tw5] Re: Is it better to host images externally rathern than in TW for performance?

2018-07-13 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 

Are you on windows? If so, what is your recommended image upload tool?

Thanks!!
-- Mark 

On Friday, July 13, 2018 at 12:17:14 PM UTC-7, talha131 wrote:
>
> Thank you again Mark. 
>
> I think I will stick with hosting images on external hosts. There are 
> desktop tools available that upload image on a single click and then paste 
> the direct link of the image to the clipboard.
> As for being offline, it happens very rarely. 
>
> For now, it seems easier setup than to worry about directories, and making 
> sure when sharing that the zipped directory does not contain images not 
> intended for the other person.
> ​
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[tw5] Re: Is it better to host images externally rathern than in TW for performance?

2018-07-13 Thread talha131 


Thank you again Mark. 

I think I will stick with hosting images on external hosts. There are 
desktop tools available that upload image on a single click and then paste 
the direct link of the image to the clipboard.
As for being offline, it happens very rarely. 

For now, it seems easier setup than to worry about directories, and making 
sure when sharing that the zipped directory does not contain images not 
intended for the other person.
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[tw5] Re: Is it better to host images externally rathern than in TW for performance?

2018-07-13 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 
Yes. Easiest to do if you keep your images and TW file in the same 
directory (or images in a subdirectory). Then you can just zip the whole 
thing and pass it on.

-- Mark

On Friday, July 13, 2018 at 11:27:07 AM UTC-7, talha131 wrote:
>
> Thank you Mark
>
> The compromise is to put the images in a relative position to your TW file 
> (in a subdirectory). Then address the image with a relative path: 
> [img[mypath/myfile.jpg]]. This will work everywhere without bloating your 
> TW. 
>
> Please correct me if I am wrong, this means when I am sharing my whole TW 
> or a tiddler with anyone, I will have to ensure my images directory is also 
> shared with them.
> ​
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[tw5] Re: Is it better to host images externally rathern than in TW for performance?

2018-07-13 Thread talha131 


Thank you Mark

The compromise is to put the images in a relative position to your TW file 
(in a subdirectory). Then address the image with a relative path: 
[img[mypath/myfile.jpg]]. This will work everywhere without bloating your 
TW. 

Please correct me if I am wrong, this means when I am sharing my whole TW 
or a tiddler with anyone, I will have to ensure my images directory is also 
shared with them.
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[tw5] Re: Is it better to host images externally rathern than in TW for performance?

2018-07-13 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 
When you add  images to TW, it rapidly increases the size. TW is not 
index-driven and is size-sensitive. For me, TW becomes almost unusable 
around 10 megs on mobile devices.

The compromise is to put the images in a relative position to your TW file 
(in a subdirectory). Then address the image with a relative path: 
[img[mypath/myfile.jpg]].  This will work everywhere without bloating your 
TW. The problem is, that you have to set up the links manually. Ideally 
rather than a simple drag-and-drop.

-- Mark



On Friday, July 13, 2018 at 11:04:23 AM UTC-7, talha131 wrote:
>
> I can host images on any free host online like Imgur and then use its link 
> inside a tiddler? Drawback is that image won’t load if I am offline.
>
> On the other hand, I can add image to TW and reference it inside tiddlers. 
> My notes will be self contained. But I am not sure how it will affect the 
> performance of TW.
> If it’s not a good idea to add images to TW, then down the road 
> performance hit will become pronounced.
>
> So, people who have been using TiddlyWiki for long, what have been your 
> experience in adding images to TW? What do you recommend?
> ​
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[tw5] Re: Is it better to host images externally rathern than in TW for performance?

2018-07-13 Thread talha131 


Thank you @TiddlyTweeter.
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[tw5] Re: Is it better to host images externally rathern than in TW for performance?

2018-07-13 Thread @TiddlyTweeter 
Don't put more than a few images in a TW. Images can be large and they will 
degrade performance if you import many of them. 

Its slightly different with SVG images as they are much more lightweight. 
Those you can have more of before hitting performance issues.

Overall, IMO, images actually IN the TW are best kept to the favicon and 
the buttons. 

Real visual images like jpg and png are best kept externally. (BUT don't 
sweat about having a few).

IF they are you own images you can use relative addressing so they will 
work on or off-line.

Josiah

On Friday, 13 July 2018 20:04:23 UTC+2, talha131 wrote:
>
> I can host images on any free host online like Imgur and then use its link 
> inside a tiddler? Drawback is that image won’t load if I am offline.
>
> On the other hand, I can add image to TW and reference it inside tiddlers. 
> My notes will be self contained. But I am not sure how it will affect the 
> performance of TW.
> If it’s not a good idea to add images to TW, then down the road 
> performance hit will become pronounced.
>
> So, people who have been using TiddlyWiki for long, what have been your 
> experience in adding images to TW? What do you recommend?
> ​
>

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