[twdev] Re: keeping up with jQuery

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Shulman
> TiddlyWiki suffers from something that might be called the tyranny of > the legacy[1]. It's captured in the idea that it is up to the maintainers > of the core to go out and search for plugins that might be harmed by > changes to the core. There is no "tyranny" of the legacy. But there *is* a w

Re: [twdev] Re: keeping up with jQuery

2011-02-08 Thread FND
> To get back to what I took as FND's original point, the issue here is > not this one bug about jQuery, but rather how long it is taking it, > as an example of many bugs, to get resolved. A healthy open source > project "should move more rapidly and be more responsive". That was indeed my main

Re: [twdev] TiddlyWiki ticket cleanup

2011-02-08 Thread Martin Budden
Note that this is just a first pass - I intend to move further tickets into the "won't fix" category as well. I also hope that others will do likewise, or at least suggest tickets that are candidates for "won't fix". Martin On 8 February 2011 12:19, Jeremy Ruston wrote: > I've reviewed the list,

Re: [twdev] Re: keeping up with jQuery

2011-02-08 Thread chris . dent
On Tue, 8 Feb 2011, Eric Shulman wrote: However, the same may not be true for other, non-TiddlyTools plugins that are still constructing their own tiddler element IDs. I suggest that, before releasing any fix for #472, we should perform a simple text search through as many known, published plug

Re: [twdev] Re: keeping up with jQuery

2011-02-08 Thread Jeremy Ruston
I'd favour sticking with the underscore escaping, and not attempting to pursue XHTML compatibility. Cheers Jeremy On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Paul Downey wrote: >> The problem is not finding a fix, indeed the proposed solution is >> escaping spaces with underscores (and underscores with do

Re: [twdev] Re: keeping up with jQuery

2011-02-08 Thread Paul Downey
> The problem is not finding a fix, indeed the proposed solution is > escaping spaces with underscores (and underscores with double > underscores). I'm not mad about legitimate underscores becoming doubled, and it seems a reasonable work-round for a HTML document: http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/e

Re: [twdev] TiddlyWiki ticket cleanup

2011-02-08 Thread Jeremy Ruston
I've reviewed the list, and am happy with the 13 tickets currently proposed for closure, Cheers Jeremy On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Martin Budden wrote: > I'm reposting this, because the original posting is in the middle of a > long thread and so may not be that visible. > > > Taking to hear

Re: [twdev] Re: keeping up with jQuery

2011-02-08 Thread Martin Budden
The problem is not finding a fix, indeed the proposed solution is escaping spaces with underscores (and underscores with double underscores). The problem is that this or any fix will break plugins, so time was allowed for the plugins to be fixed. I've just heard from Eric to say that he has fixed

[twdev] Re: keeping up with jQuery

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Shulman
> (http://trac.tiddlywiki.org/ticket/472). Although the fix > is simple to implement, it breaks a number of Eric's plugins so we > didn't put the fix in release 2.6.2 so that he would have time to fix > those plugins. There were a small number of places where TiddlyTools plugins were using: sto

[twdev] Re: keeping up with jQuery

2011-02-08 Thread tiddlygrp
Hi, if spaces are a problem, what about escaping them? Something like url- escape possible or a html code. url escaping would be: space%20 and for html something like:   en space   em space  thin space If spaces in titles could be html escaped, I think not too much would

[twdev] Re: Proposal: Migrate TiddlyWiki core dev to GitHub

2011-02-08 Thread tiddlygrp
Hi, Please keep the code history. Once the tw core becomes a separate repository on github, it will be a lot smaller than the current svn repository for tw ,plugins, cook etc. Keeping the history allows (in principle) to test and bisect the repository when a new major tw version is coming. I also

[twdev] Re: keeping up with jQuery

2011-02-08 Thread PMario
Hi Folks, 3 years ago I even didn't know that TW exist. IMO this issue should have been fixed 3 years ago. Or may be 2 years ago, after a one year beta. I started programming TW about one year ago. Not fixing this issue, now causes trouble, for everyone, that have made the mistake to use a function

Re: [twdev] keeping up with jQuery

2011-02-08 Thread Paul Downey
> There is a specific reason we are lagging jQuery: upgrading to a > jQuery version later than 1.4.3 requires fixing ticket 472 - spaces in > tiddler ids (http://trac.tiddlywiki.org/ticket/472 ). Oh, 472 has been one of my big bones of contention, and not just for jQuery, but for CSS and XSLT -- s

Re: [twdev] keeping up with jQuery

2011-02-08 Thread Martin Budden
There is a specific reason we are lagging jQuery: upgrading to a jQuery version later than 1.4.3 requires fixing ticket 472 - spaces in tiddler ids (http://trac.tiddlywiki.org/ticket/472 ). Although the fix is simple to implement, it breaks a number of Eric's plugins so we didn't put the fix in rel

[twdev] TiddlyWiki ticket cleanup

2011-02-08 Thread Martin Budden
I'm reposting this, because the original posting is in the middle of a long thread and so may not be that visible. Taking to heart your suggestion of "cleaning up the cellar" before we move house, I've created a new milestone in Trac "2011.cleanup". I, and other members of the Osmosoft team, will

Re: [twdev] Re: Proposal: Migrate TiddlyWiki core dev to GitHub

2011-02-08 Thread Martin Budden
Thanks for the detailed explanation, Eric. I'm now convinced. Martin On 7 February 2011 22:20, Eric Shulman wrote: >> From a personal point of view I practically never look at source code >> history, other than immediate history (that is the bit of history I've > >> I personally find that there