Re: [Tigervnc-users] VNC with Menu Bar on top?

2014-04-21 Thread Stormy
Indeed, useful information!!

However, from my vantage point - end user.. it is more important to have the 
little features.. :)

Like, the RECONNECT option, in TigerVNC 1.0.1 if a connection is broken for any 
reason, It automatically asks to reconnect, and simply clicking YES, the 
session is re-established.

In TurboVNC it fails with Error while waiting for server message with OK, and 
that's that. clicking OK, now connection is lost, and I don't even know to 
which server.

At any given time I may be connected to ~20 different servers, some in China, 
USA, EU, slow/faster networks, so really re-establishing is a big deal.

so far, seems like turboVNC loses most connections, then tiger, then tightvnc, 
but I'm still testing..

If the TigherVNC developers are here, I would ask for 2 options:

1. optionally auto-re-establish lost connections, have an option that says 
auto-reconnect, then just reconnect (say up to 4 times over 5 minutes or 
something)
2. the TOP tool-bar, with NEW connection, this is a must-have, otherwise u have 
to go to the OS and find the vnc icon, or type the command on a local-shell.

anyways, thanks again for everyone's interest and support here!

For time being I'll try the newer 2.7 tightvnc + tigervnc 1.0.1 with toolbar.

Stormy.





 From: DRC dcomman...@users.sourceforge.net
To: Stormy stormy1...@yahoo.com; tigervnc-users@lists.sourceforge.net 
tigervnc-users@lists.sourceforge.net 
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 1:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigervnc-users] VNC  with Menu Bar on top?
 

Yes.  For a little historical perspective, TightVNC basically spawned 
all of these projects, but in various ways.  TurboVNC is the most direct 
descendent of TightVNC 1.3.x.  It forked from that project nearly 10 
years ago and was originally just TightVNC 1.3.x with high-speed JPEG 
support.  Many changes have occurred since then, but TurboVNC's Unix 
server and Windows viewer still have a lot of the same look  feel as 
TightVNC 1.3.x, although they're about an order of magnitude faster.

TigerVNC was a product of a next-generation development effort that 
originally took place within the TightVNC project, an effort to rewrite 
TightVNC using the RealVNC 4 code base.  Thus, some of the features from 
TightVNC 1.3.x didn't make it into TigerVNC, owing to its RealVNC 
heritage.  Some have since been added, but not all.  TigerVNC's server 
still has a similar look  feel to RealVNC, although the viewer has been 
completely rewritten.  In 2011, I ported many of the performance 
enhancements from TurboVNC into TigerVNC, so for most common cases, they 
can be made to perform similarly, although the general approach that 
both projects take is somewhat different.

In 2009, TigerVNC split off from TightVNC, and Constantin dropped 
support for Un*x platforms altogether in TightVNC 2.x and later. 
TightVNC 2.x has probably the most sophisticated interface among Windows 
VNC solutions.  Unfortunately, however, it's also the slowest by far. 
I've done a lot of research, both in the context of integrating my 
Turbo version of the Tight encoder into TigerVNC and also doing the 
same for libvncserver.  This research showed definitively that it is 
possible using the Turbo encoding methods to achieve similar levels of 
tightness to TightVNC without requiring the intense amount of CPU time 
that TightVNC requires.  Unfortunately, their codec is so CPU-hungry 
that it is usually unable to fill up even a low-speed broadband pipe.

With version 1.2, TigerVNC switched to a common viewer code base, based 
on FLTK.  This has required extending FLTK to support a lot of the 
features that TigerVNC needs, and I have a feeling that FLTK would have 
to be further extended to support a toolbar, if history is any 
indication.  Thus, I can pretty much understand why that's not a high 
priority, as I suspect it would be a huge PITA to implement.

Anyhow, since the performance of TurboVNC and TigerVNC is very similar, 
there is no reason why you can't mix and match their clients and servers 
to suit your needs.



On 4/20/14 4:14 PM, Stormy wrote:
 Thanks much!  This is exactly what I was looking for, also found that
 latest tighvnc also has it...  Too bad the tiger took it out and all
 these years it is not back..  It could be an optional thing left to
 the user to decide.. I personally can't work w/o it :)

 Thanks  cheers!

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Re: [Tigervnc-users] VNC with Menu Bar on top?

2014-04-20 Thread DRC
I don't want to be seen as trying to steal users away, because I'm not, 
but since you are asking specifically which VNC clients still have the 
toolbar option, TurboVNC does in both our Windows and Java clients.  Our 
Java client is based on the TigerVNC Java code that Brian developed, but 
it has enhanced functionality that gives it the look  feel and most of 
the performance of a native client, so we use that client on Unix and 
Mac platforms rather than a native client.


On 4/20/14 7:31 AM, Stormy wrote:
 Hi,

 I've been using tigervnc 1.0.1 which is the last version that has the
 top menu bar, the one that allows opening more windows, or sending keys,
 etc.

 Is there any way to get it back somehow? Or maybe a different vnc client
 that has this option?

 That top menu bar is extremely useful!

 Thanks in advance!
 Stormy.

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Re: [Tigervnc-users] VNC with Menu Bar on top?

2014-04-20 Thread DRC
Yes.  For a little historical perspective, TightVNC basically spawned 
all of these projects, but in various ways.  TurboVNC is the most direct 
descendent of TightVNC 1.3.x.  It forked from that project nearly 10 
years ago and was originally just TightVNC 1.3.x with high-speed JPEG 
support.  Many changes have occurred since then, but TurboVNC's Unix 
server and Windows viewer still have a lot of the same look  feel as 
TightVNC 1.3.x, although they're about an order of magnitude faster.

TigerVNC was a product of a next-generation development effort that 
originally took place within the TightVNC project, an effort to rewrite 
TightVNC using the RealVNC 4 code base.  Thus, some of the features from 
TightVNC 1.3.x didn't make it into TigerVNC, owing to its RealVNC 
heritage.  Some have since been added, but not all.  TigerVNC's server 
still has a similar look  feel to RealVNC, although the viewer has been 
completely rewritten.  In 2011, I ported many of the performance 
enhancements from TurboVNC into TigerVNC, so for most common cases, they 
can be made to perform similarly, although the general approach that 
both projects take is somewhat different.

In 2009, TigerVNC split off from TightVNC, and Constantin dropped 
support for Un*x platforms altogether in TightVNC 2.x and later. 
TightVNC 2.x has probably the most sophisticated interface among Windows 
VNC solutions.  Unfortunately, however, it's also the slowest by far. 
I've done a lot of research, both in the context of integrating my 
Turbo version of the Tight encoder into TigerVNC and also doing the 
same for libvncserver.  This research showed definitively that it is 
possible using the Turbo encoding methods to achieve similar levels of 
tightness to TightVNC without requiring the intense amount of CPU time 
that TightVNC requires.  Unfortunately, their codec is so CPU-hungry 
that it is usually unable to fill up even a low-speed broadband pipe.

With version 1.2, TigerVNC switched to a common viewer code base, based 
on FLTK.  This has required extending FLTK to support a lot of the 
features that TigerVNC needs, and I have a feeling that FLTK would have 
to be further extended to support a toolbar, if history is any 
indication.  Thus, I can pretty much understand why that's not a high 
priority, as I suspect it would be a huge PITA to implement.

Anyhow, since the performance of TurboVNC and TigerVNC is very similar, 
there is no reason why you can't mix and match their clients and servers 
to suit your needs.


On 4/20/14 4:14 PM, Stormy wrote:
 Thanks much!  This is exactly what I was looking for, also found that
 latest tighvnc also has it...  Too bad the tiger took it out and all
 these years it is not back..  It could be an optional thing left to
 the user to decide.. I personally can't work w/o it :)

 Thanks  cheers!

 Stormy

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