Re: [time-nuts] Galileo satellites to have passive hydrogen masers!

2007-05-20 Thread Rob Kimberley
I never understood how the PPP (Public Private Partnership) model was ever going to work on Galileo. The recent drop out of private funding proves my point. Unfortunately the EU (another white elephant or whale!) will continue to pump taxpayers hard earned money into this system to save face.

Re: [time-nuts] Galileo satellites to have passive hydrogen masers!

2007-05-20 Thread Björn Gabrielsson
In my view, using EU money to build the GALILEO system is a good idea! Using EU funds to subsidice(?) european agriculture is a MUCH worse idea! -- Björn On Sun, May 20, 2007 9:42, Rob Kimberley said: I never understood how the PPP (Public Private Partnership) model was ever going to

Re: [time-nuts] Galileo satellites to have passive hydrogen masers!

2007-05-20 Thread Rob Kimberley
Hi Björn, I agree with the second comment also!! Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Björn Gabrielsson Sent: 20 May 2007 08:51 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Galileo satellites to have

Re: [time-nuts] Galileo satellites to have passive hydrogen masers!

2007-05-20 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Björn_Gabrielsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Galileo satellites to have passive hydrogen masers! Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 09:50:34 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In my view, using EU money to build the GALILEO system is a good idea! Yes, it is a pitty they made

Re: [time-nuts] Galileo satellites to have passive hydrogen masers!

2007-05-20 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Poul-Henning Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Galileo satellites to have passive hydrogen masers! Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 03:54:28 + Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jason and Poul-Henning, In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jason Rabel writes: It's about a week old, but

[time-nuts] Metastability?

2007-05-20 Thread Peter Vince
Bruce, et al, Metastability was mentioned again recently - I think I read some messages earlier this year, but can't remember if they were current, or in the archive, and can't now quickly find them. I think it has to do with latches getting into an undeterminable state when asynchronous

[time-nuts] The Observatory Vol Viii 1885

2007-05-20 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: While trying to learn about pendulum barometric compensation I came across a Google book that's very interesting. Has minutes of the R.A.S. and other meetings at the time just after Greenwich was selected to be the keeper of time. Here is a link to it:

Re: [time-nuts] Metastability?

2007-05-20 Thread Rick Karlquist
You need to have a two stage register, allowing one clock period for the first stage to come out of metastability. This of course delays the signal to be synchronized by a clock period. In an attempt to get around this delay, you sometimes see a series of registers in cascade clocked at slightly

Re: [time-nuts] Metastability?

2007-05-20 Thread Hal Murray
Metastability is simple after you get it. Lots of people, including some who should know better get it wrong. The best real world analogy that I know of is rolling a ball over a bump. If the ball has lots of energy, it goes over over the bump and down the other side. If it doesn't have

[time-nuts] Other GPS receiver

2007-05-20 Thread Murray Greenman
Didier, Navman for some time made a functional clone of the Motorola 8-ch receiver, and although it is a 12-ch receiver, I believe it talks the 8-ch language used by the GPS receiver in the Z3801A. This was Navman's model Jupiter T. It was the same size and shape, and had the same connectors, as

Re: [time-nuts] Metastability?

2007-05-20 Thread Hal Murray
You need to have a two stage register, allowing one clock period for the first stage to come out of metastability. This of course delays the signal to be synchronized by a clock period. Yup. The delay is unavoidable. The only thing you can do is trade off delay vs MTBF. In an attempt

Re: [time-nuts] Metastability?

2007-05-20 Thread Peter Vince
Thank you both, and particularly Hal, for your explanations - I think I get it now. It's great to have you experts online! Thanks again, Peter ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] Metastability?

2007-05-20 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Hal Murray wrote: You need to have a two stage register, allowing one clock period for the first stage to come out of metastability. This of course delays the signal to be synchronized by a clock period. Yup. The delay is unavoidable. The only thing you can do is trade off delay vs