Re: [time-nuts] Fury OEM GPSDO board

2007-10-15 Thread SAIDJACK
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY In a message dated 10/15/2007 03:51:20 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >A week ago I made a PayPal Payment ($575.00). >I heard nothing further. >Could you confirm this payment? Hello Renso, thanks for

Re: [time-nuts] Improving the stability of crystal oscillators

2007-10-15 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Don Collie wrote: > Hi Hal, > I was thinking of attaching a temparature sensor [AKA Star Treck] to the > cold side of a Peltier [what`s the other type? Are they available/better?] > pile. and driving the pile from the output of some sort of servo loop to > maintain a temparature of ,say , 0

Re: [time-nuts] Improving the stability of crystal oscillators

2007-10-15 Thread John Franke
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY This is something I have thought about but never did any experimentation. With the low cost and increased availability of thermoelectric coolers, I am interested in pursuing this concept. The unfortunate thing is that the cr

Re: [time-nuts] Improving the stability of crystal oscillators

2007-10-15 Thread Don Collie
Hi Rick, Perhaps I should have said : "Temperature at which the lowest change of frequency with temperature occurs". What cut of crystal is used in these high quality crystal references, please? Cheers,Don C. - Original Message - From:

Re: [time-nuts] Improving the stability of crystal oscillators

2007-10-15 Thread Tom Van Baak
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY As far as I can tell, temperature curve plots for quartz typically show both an upper and a lower turnover point (for example, see the pages below). Since the upper is well above maximum ambient, it makes sense that this point i

Re: [time-nuts] Improving the stability of crystal oscillators

2007-10-15 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
Don Collie wrote: > Yes, you can cut a crystal to have an inversion temp at 25Deg C. [well > certainly with an AT cut - I`m not sure about the SC cut.] > Cheers,Don C. The AT cut has an inflection point at 25 degrees C. You cannot get a "turnover"

Re: [time-nuts] Improving the stability of crystal oscillators

2007-10-15 Thread Don Collie
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Hi Hal, I was thinking of attaching a temparature sensor [AKA Star Treck] to the cold side of a Peltier [what`s the other type? Are they available/better?] pile. and driving the pile from the output of some sort of servo l

Re: [time-nuts] Peltier cooled double crystal oven

2007-10-15 Thread Don Collie
Hi Enrico, I accidently deleted your message to me, would you please re-send it to me. Also, I would like to respond to the points you raise on the group, please, so could I please have your permission to do this? Thankingyou,Don C. __

[time-nuts] Info Wanted on O-1814/GRC-206 Rubidium Frequency Standard

2007-10-15 Thread Brooke Clarke
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Hi: I've received this unit, but know nothing about it. Need power connector voltages and pinout, manual or whatever I can find out. O-1814/GRC-206 Rubidium Frequency Standard -- Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com

Re: [time-nuts] Improving the stability of crystal oscillators

2007-10-15 Thread Bruce Griffiths
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Hal For a summary of the state of the art in Peltier devices etc see: ARTI Report No. 10120-01THERMOELECTRIC TECHNOLOGY ASSESSMENT Final Report May 2007 Dr. Bao Yang A COP up to 6 or so can be achieved at around room temperatu

Re: [time-nuts] Improving the stability of crystal oscillators

2007-10-15 Thread Enrico Rubiola
> Is there something magic about quartz that has a turnover in the > region that > just happens to be handy for OCXOs? Or is it the other way around: > people > chose the cut angle to get a temperature that works well for ovens? First, better heat-only than heat-cool or cool-only because of -

Re: [time-nuts] Time-Nuts Archive?

2007-10-15 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Thanks for pointing that out, David. I'll see if I can get Mailman to change that robot tag (it's automagically created). John Dr. David Kirkby said the following on 10/15/2007 05:02 PM: > ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false

Re: [time-nuts] Time-Nuts Archive?

2007-10-15 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Jason Rabel wrote: > >> Is there an archive of past digests that I can search >> for useful tidbits of information? >> > > Yes!!! > > http://www.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts/ > > I've spent hours on end sifting through t

Re: [time-nuts] Improving the stability of crystal oscillators

2007-10-15 Thread Hal Murray
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY > The resonator inversion temperature occurs at 70-80 degrees Celsius, > depending on the cut angles. Is there something magic about quartz that has a turnover in the region that just happens to be handy for OCXOs? Or is it

Re: [time-nuts] Improving the stability of crystal oscillators

2007-10-15 Thread Enrico Rubiola
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Dear all, the major problem for the use of a Peltier cell with a quartz oscillator is that the cell maximum operating temperature is of the order of 80 degrees Celsius. This is due to the low melting point of the metal pairs su