Re: [time-nuts] 1PPS accuracy of commercial GPS receivers

2009-05-14 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Phil, as soon as a receiver sees more than 3 sats there is redundant information available. The receiver can use this redundant information in two ways: a) to improve the solutions for the position or b) to improve the solutions for the time but not both at the same time. That implies that

Re: [time-nuts] 1PPS accuracy of commercial GPS receivers

2009-05-14 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message e660d55b75514e29a5735af7dcb48...@athlon, Ulrich Bangert writes: The receiver can use this redundant information in two ways: a) to improve the solutions for the position or b) to improve the solutions for the time but not both at the same time. That's just bogus. First of all, you

Re: [time-nuts] 1PPS accuracy of commercial GPS receivers

2009-05-14 Thread Magnus Danielson
Poul-Henning Kamp skrev: In message e660d55b75514e29a5735af7dcb48...@athlon, Ulrich Bangert writes: The receiver can use this redundant information in two ways: a) to improve the solutions for the position or b) to improve the solutions for the time but not both at the same time. That's

[time-nuts] OT: Source of low-thermal Cd-Sn solder in the UK?

2009-05-14 Thread David C. Partridge
I'm looking for a source for low-thermal EMF solder (Cadmium-Tin probably) in the UK. If anyone can point to a source for this and indeed of Te-Cu bannana plugs/sockets/other connectors that I can wire up myself (Pomona only seem to sell pre-wired ones in Te-Cu). Many thanks Dave

Re: [time-nuts] 1PPS accuracy of commercial GPS receivers

2009-05-14 Thread Hal Murray
2D positioning requires at least 3 sats for resolving Lat, Long, T (really X, Y, Z and T which a fixed relationship between X, Y and Z so given two the third will be given, as the heigth is assumed). This has been discussed before, but I still don't really understand it. I assume they take

[time-nuts] Help ID 5 MHz Distribution Box

2009-05-14 Thread Richard W. Solomon
I picked up a box from over there that says ...5 MH REF DISTRIB... , which I assume stands for 5 MHz Reference Distribution. It was made by Satellite Transmission Systems of Hauppagge, NY. 2 BNC connectors on one end, 3 SMA's a Red LED Alarm light and a DB-15 connector. A real long shot, I know,

[time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-14 Thread Dave Ackrill
Anyone got any good Linux time systems for PCs ? I now have a PC on my home system that has Linux fedora on it and I'm keen to learn how to make it a useful new member of my network. I did dabble with Redhat Linux once before in the 1990s, and still have the scars to show for it, so please

Re: [time-nuts] Help ID 5 MHz Distribution Box

2009-05-14 Thread Ed Palmer
Since you beat me by *THREE SECONDS* I shouldn't help you, but I have one of these boxes and have partially figured it out. What do you want to know? Ed Richard W. Solomon wrote: I picked up a box from over there that says ...5 MH REF DISTRIB... , which I assume stands for 5 MHz Reference

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-14 Thread Hal Murray
I now have a PC on my home system that has Linux fedora on it and I'm keen to learn how to make it a useful new member of my network. It's probably already running ntpd and setup to get time from a few pool machines out on the net. Start by doing: ntpq -p If that works, look in

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-14 Thread Robert Darlington
RedHat in the 90s was terrible. It's much better now. Last thing I read about ntp was that it was kind of broken for high precision stuff on Linux and people tend to use FreeBSD. I duplicated the work of one of the time-nuts by following his site here: http://www.febo.com/pages/soekris/ Even

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-14 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 4a0c7a74.50...@tiscali.co.uk Dave Ackrill dave.g0...@tiscali.co.uk writes: : Anyone got any good Linux time systems for PCs ? : : I now have a PC on my home system that has Linux fedora on it and I'm : keen to learn how to make it a useful new member of my network. : : I

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-14 Thread Randy Scott
Is there any consensus for the reasons why Linux performs poorly? I was thinking about setting up a server as well (possibly using a little ARM-based single-board computer that runs Linux). Randy. --- On Thu, 5/14/09, Robert Darlington rdarling...@gmail.com wrote: From: Robert Darlington

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-14 Thread Mike S
At 05:24 PM 5/14/2009, M. Warner Losh wrote... I'd try the FreeBSD distribution of Linux. Ouch. In some circles, those are fightin' words. FreeBSD is _not_ Linux, in any way except being Unix-like. ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-14 Thread Hal Murray
Is there any consensus for the reasons why Linux performs poorly? I was thinking about setting up a server as well (possibly using a little ARM-based single-board computer that runs Linux). Consensus? I doubt it. My reading. Lots of cooks. None of them are time geeks. There are a lot

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-14 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 20090514220030.68e47b...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net writes: : : Is there any consensus for the reasons why Linux performs poorly? I : was thinking about setting up a server as well (possibly using a : little ARM-based

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-14 Thread Hal Murray
I'd try the FreeBSD distribution of Linux. Ouch. In some circles, those are fightin' words. I interpreted it as a joke, like telling a Windows user to install Service Pack Linux. If all you want is to run a time server, FreeBSD will do a better job than Linux. In particular, the Soekris

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-14 Thread Bob Marinelli
Assuming you are looking for better time than you can get from just network servers, you can add a local time source. EASY WAY If you want good time at low cost, and have a generic PC, connect something like a Garmin 18x LVC to a serial port and install FreeBSD. Easy to configure and

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-14 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 20090514223310.0d552b...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net writes: : I'd try the FreeBSD distribution of Linux. : Ouch. In some circles, those are fightin' words. : : I interpreted it as a joke, like telling a Windows user to install

Re: [time-nuts] Help ID 5 MHz Distribution Box

2009-05-14 Thread Ed Palmer
Pinout is as follows - I think - remember that this is a work in progress 1 - no connection 2 - alarm output - High = alarm, low = normal (TTL) 3 - probably 'reference fail' - High = fail, low = normal (TTL) 4 - EFC okay - High if 4V8 EFC 7V5 else low (TTL) 5 - no

Re: [time-nuts] Help ID 5 MHz Distribution Box

2009-05-14 Thread Richard W. Solomon
That should give me a good start on this. Thanks very much for the info. Sometimes you find some interesting items over there. I picked up two boxes that had 4 SMA's marked 10 MHz, 75 MHz, 750 MHz and 7,975 MHz. They also had a MIL style power connector with the mate attached. Turns out they were