Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt setup optimization and addinga10811 OCXO

2009-07-14 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Tom, Two questions - Will the internal TI value still be updated against GPS in this case (as it is with the TBolt)? No, unfortunately not. There is another (better?) command to manually put the Fury/FireFly units into holdover mode: SYNChronisation:HOLDover:INITiate To get out

[time-nuts] New version of Z38XX

2009-07-14 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Gents, a new version of Z38XX is available for download. 1) It addresses most of the typos that Kit and Murray have found. 2) I detects fractional EFC numbers and changes number formats and EFC scale according to that. Enjoy Ulrich Bangert www.ulrich-bangert.de Ortholzer Weg 1 27243 Gross

[time-nuts] EFRATOM LPRO-101 Connector

2009-07-14 Thread Richard W. Solomon
How do folks like to connect to this RbO ? Do they use a connector ? Or just solder to the pins ? If they use a Connector can you tell me the Make Part Number ? Thanks, Dick, W1KSZ ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] EFRATOM LPRO-101 Connector

2009-07-14 Thread Eamon Skelton
Richard W. Solomon wrote: How do folks like to connect to this RbO ? Do they use a connector ? Or just solder to the pins ? If they use a Connector can you tell me the Make Part Number ? Thanks, Dick, W1KSZ Cut up a DIP socket. Don't use a nice turned-pin type. Cheap and nasty ones work

Re: [time-nuts] Accurate Thunderbolt position

2009-07-14 Thread Predrag Dukic
You can physically move Your antenna to the position that matches some 5 digit exact position. :)) At 00:04 14.7.2009, you wrote: While playing with getting the Thunderbolt to supply a more accurate/reliable position, I came up with a way to filter the lat/lon/alt data in such a way

Re: [time-nuts] EFRATOM LPRO-101 Connector

2009-07-14 Thread Hal Murray
How do folks like to connect to this RbO ? Do they use a connector ? Or just solder to the pins ? If they use a Connector can you tell me the Make Part Number ? They are standard 0.025 square pins on a 0.1 (inch) grid. All the connector companies make something that will work. (probably

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt setup optimization and adding a10811 OCXO

2009-07-14 Thread Arnold Tibus
Don, welcome in the boat. You describe with other words what I am fighting against. There must be a logic behind which we did not find yet. I want to understand what is hidden behind all the setting parameters and find a way to get the 10811 running without degradation but just disciplining

[time-nuts] More Thunderbolts available.

2009-07-14 Thread John Koster
A an additional batch of Trimble Thunderbolt GPSDOs has become available. If interested, you may place your order at: http://www.tapr.org/kits_thunder.html If you have questions about the Thunderbolt, please visit the links to leapsecond.com that are near the top of the previouly referenced

Re: [time-nuts] More Thunderbolts available.

2009-07-14 Thread Majdi S. Abbas
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 03:20:42PM -0500, John Koster wrote: A an additional batch of Trimble Thunderbolt GPSDOs has become available. If interested, you may place your order at: http://www.tapr.org/kits_thunder.html Are these gone already? Sorry, this item is no

Re: [time-nuts] More Thunderbolts available.

2009-07-14 Thread Robert Darlington
Wow, sold out in 4 minutes ;) On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Majdi S. Abbas m...@latt.net wrote: On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 03:20:42PM -0500, John Koster wrote: A an additional batch of Trimble Thunderbolt GPSDOs has become available. If interested, you may place your order at:

Re: [time-nuts] More Thunderbolts available.

2009-07-14 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 14/07/2009 21:26:24 GMT Daylight Time, rdarling...@gmail.com writes: Wow, sold out in 4 minutes ;) Not quite, the order link has only just appeared:-) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] [tapr-announce] More Thunderbolts available

2009-07-14 Thread John Koster
You guys are too quick!!! I knew I should have taken down the 'sold out' sign BEFORE posting the message, but I forgot and did it backwards. Try it again. On Tue, 14 Jul 2009, Sam Carson wrote: john The web site says not available Sam Carson K4SOC -- 73, John, W9DDD

Re: [time-nuts] [tapr-announce] More Thunderbolts available

2009-07-14 Thread Majdi S. Abbas
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 03:31:11PM -0500, John Koster wrote: You guys are too quick!!! Past experience trying for the previous buys has taught me to order immediately ;) Thanks John! 73, Majdi, N0RMZ ___ time-nuts mailing

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt setup optimization and addinga10811 OCXO

2009-07-14 Thread Arnold Tibus
On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:32:37 -0700, John Miles wrote: What are you using for the Kvco constant with your 10811-based Thunderbolt? If you don't back it down to -0.2 V/Hz, the loop's damping factor will be very wrong, which might confuse the firmware. Check the Kvco, and also do a factory reset

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt setup optimization andadding a10811 OCXO

2009-07-14 Thread Dave Brown
Why not leave the TBolt original OCXO in place and run the 10811 as a separate oscillator phase locked to the TBolt OCXO? Then you have full control over what loop parameters you use in the external PLL, as well as still having the TBolt loop parameters to tweak if necessary. DaveB, NZ -

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt setup optimization andadding a10811 OCXO

2009-07-14 Thread Arnold Tibus
Dave, there is a clear answer: Why shall I do several rounds when I can succeed in one? If you look to my oadev values achieved with the disciplined 10811 you will see already a significant improvement over the normal TB values I have seen. But there are clear indications that it shall be

[time-nuts] Accurate Thunderbolt position

2009-07-14 Thread Mark Sims
Well, I implemented a test of getting the tbolt to lock in a precise location. After entering 3D-fix mode, it would fairly reliably output a location within 1 foot of my surveyed (within 4mm lat/lon) spot within 15 minutes of observations. The problem is when I see the location match, I

Re: [time-nuts] Accurate Thunderbolt position

2009-07-14 Thread Arnold Tibus
On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:28:10 +, Mark Sims wrote: Well, I implemented a test of getting the tbolt to lock in a precise location. After entering 3D-fix mode, it would fairly reliably output a location within 1 foot of my surveyed (within 4mm lat/lon) spot within 15 minutes of

Re: [time-nuts] Accurate Thunderbolt position

2009-07-14 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Mark: 0.1 degrees (five decimal places) = 0.00060' = 0.0360 of arc. If one second of arc is about 100 feet of longitude then the total distance for 0.1 degrees is about 3.6 feet. To get latitude multiply by COS(your lat). That way you know how far to move the antenna. But to check

Re: [time-nuts] Accurate Thunderbolt position

2009-07-14 Thread Lux, James P
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Brooke Clarke Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 3:56 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Accurate Thunderbolt position Hi Mark: 0.1

Re: [time-nuts] New version of Z38XX

2009-07-14 Thread Ron Hensley
Good morning Ulrich I have a HP/Z3801 for a number of years. My communication program is quite old. Would you please send me a updated copy of this new version Thank you. Ron Hensley WB6RNH rchens...@gmailCOM On 7/14/09, Ulrich Bangert df...@ulrich-bangert.de wrote: Gents, a new

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt setup optimizationand addinga10811 OCXO

2009-07-14 Thread John Miles
I put in as K0 what I measured several times with the 10811 as 'gain' with -0.74 Hz/V. Is that not the right way? Yes, that's fine. Because the varactor is nonlinear and a small part of the overall tank circuit C, the tuning gain depends on the adjustment-screw setting to some extent.

[time-nuts] Stable Z38XX for Fury/FireFly GPSDOs

2009-07-14 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi guys, I am very excited to say that Ulrich's latest Z38xx program now works quite well on our FireFly GPSDO units. Very impressive program Ulrich! I haven't tried it on our Fury's yet, but I am pretty confident it will work just as well. Thanks much again Ulrich, great job! Said

[time-nuts] Accurate Thunderbolt position

2009-07-14 Thread Mark Sims
My Ashtech Z12 system has located my g-spot to within 4mm lat/lon and 27mm altitude. I used the OPUS-RS system to process 1.5 hours of data using 9 baselines to national CORS reference stations and the rapid (1-day) orbits... not too shabby for 15+ year old technology. The fix should be even

Re: [time-nuts] Accurate Thunderbolt position

2009-07-14 Thread Tom Van Baak
Mark, Nice work on the Z12. Now one idea for you on the TBolt. Before you spend too much time trying to nail it down to the foot or inch you might want to see what effect being off by a couple feet or meters actually has on your TBolt timing. For this you want to compare the 1pps output against

[time-nuts] Accurate Thunderbolt position

2009-07-14 Thread Mark Sims
Well it started as a simple exercise in Hey, now that really I know where I am, how close can a Tbolt get. Well, it looks like a foot or so may be doable. Might be useful for something, even if it does not help the timing application. Then the thing showed its stupid limitation of not