Don,

welcome in the boat.
You describe with other words what I am fighting against. 
There must be a logic behind which we did not find yet. 
I want to understand what is hidden behind all the setting parameters 
and find a way to get the 10811 running without degradation but 
just disciplining the OCXO drift away. 
But without knowing the logic behind and without a known reference 
a bit difficult...

Regards
Arnold

On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:15:29 -0700 (PDT), Don @ True-Cal wrote:

>Arnold,

>I have the same question as well as observations as yours. I have been working 
>with both the TBolt and Fury connected to two different 10811s. With either 
>the TBolt or Fury, I can't get the TC large enough to only provide a nudge to 
>the EFC every few minutes. Both receivers get real unstable and cause large 
>Freq and PPS swings with large TC numbers. It seems the EFC is providing many 
>corrections per minute even with the TBOLT set to 300 secs. Anything larger 
>than 300-500 sec. on the TBolt and EFCD=150 (don't know what the equates to in 
>secs.) on the Fury will cause instability. I have better luck disabling 
>desciplining on the TBolt or disconnecting the antenna on the Fury (no command 
>to disable that I have found) when I need to do a Tau 0.1-10 sec. low jitter 
>measurement.
> Regards...
>Don 




>________________________________
>From: Arnold Tibus <[email protected]>
>To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement <[email protected]>; 
>Tom Van Baak <[email protected]>
>Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:56:56 PM
>Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt setup optimization and adding 
>a10811 OCXO

>Tom,:

>>> Astonishing for me,
>>> I found that the 10811 does behave better in undisciplined 
>>> mode for a limited time:

>>This is to be expected. An undisciplined high-quality OCXO
>>like a 10811 will be hundreds or thousands of times better
>>than the raw output of a GPS receiver at short averaging
>>times. This is why a GPSDO exists; it allows the OCXO to
>>run almost free for minutes to hours but allows GPS to rule
>>for long-term.

>yes that is what I thought, but if I do observe correct, TB's 
>OCXO does not run at all free for minutes. With a time 
>constant of 360s the EFC and thePPS is surfing up and 
>down, why, I do not see the need to shift this OCXO within 
>2 minutes 80ppbs up and pps15ns as well - with this stable 
>oscillator....what is the driver, the SATs (I think not so)!

>Arnold





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