Re: [time-nuts] 60Hz mains clocking in computers

2010-04-19 Thread Hal Murray
> I'm trying to get to the bottom of whether or not any computing equipment > made around the advent of UNIX systems (or any time-slicing system) used > the mains cycles of 60Hz as phase lock for the internal system clock. The IBM 360 series bumped a register in low memory by 300 counts per secon

Re: [time-nuts] GPS receiver stuck at South Pole :)

2010-04-19 Thread bg
Hi Jean-Louis, I grew up in Borås. ;-) Actually I spent quite some time less than 5km away from SP - where I guess you had your business. There is a "hole" in a skyplot where we never see GPS birds, but it is somewhat compensated with SVs rising quite a bit over the north pole. Less high elevation

[time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt 10MHz amplitude jitter

2010-04-19 Thread Arthur Dent
Chris Smith-  "I only joined this list a few hours ago and hadn't searched the archive for which I apologise." --  No need to apologize. I didn't intend my post to sound like that. this list has lots of good information but it isn't that e

Re: [time-nuts] lunatic fringe time standards

2010-04-19 Thread Chuck Harris
You have a point. Semiconductors have burned brightly and furiously. Tubes maybe made it through 4 or 5 generations from start to present. Still, I can think of things to do with old 45's, but the thought of putting an RTL chip in a circuit leaves me cold. I'd rather wire up the logic with di

Re: [time-nuts] 60Hz mains clocking in computers

2010-04-19 Thread Uno Staver
We bought a bunch of PDP-11/23s as part of a communications network system. After successful acceptance tests in Boston, MA, the systems were commissioned in Sweden with 50Hz AC. To make the RSX-11M O/S time-of-day clock run OK, the developers modified some piece of code. Uno Staver Bill Ha

Re: [time-nuts] lunatic fringe time standards

2010-04-19 Thread Larry Snyder
Chuck Harris wrote: > Ah the old days! Why is it old semiconductor devices seem much more ancient > than > old vacuum tube devices? What generation of semiconductor devices are we currently on? What generation of tube devices? :-) -ls- ___ time-n

Re: [time-nuts] lunatic fringe time standards

2010-04-19 Thread Chuck Harris
I used to reclaim hundreds of the 2N3638's and 3643's in that ceramic package. I rather unceremoniously yanked them from PC boards after heating the solder side with a propane torch. I always tested the pulled parts, and I can't remember ever finding a bad transistor in that package. I wonder i

Re: [time-nuts] lunatic fringe time standards

2010-04-19 Thread Chuck Harris
Here is a link to a datasheet for the uL923: http://wps.com/archives/solid-state-datasheets/Datasheets/Fairchild-uL923/1.JPG Ah the old days! Why is it old semiconductor devices seem much more ancient than old vacuum tube devices? -Chuck Harris Rob Kimberley wrote: I stand corrected. On ref

Re: [time-nuts] lunatic fringe time standards

2010-04-19 Thread J. Forster
IMO, ANY of those jelley beans are garbage, IMO, including 900, 914, 923, 2N3638 -> 2N3643. The TO-5 size seem worse than the TO-18 size. FWIW, -John = > I found the twisting of leads more of a problem with common epoxy packaged > transistors than the 8 pin RTL 914/923 devices

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt 10MHz amplitude jitter

2010-04-19 Thread Chris Smith
Arthur On 19 Apr 2010, at 20:48, Arthur Dent wrote: > You may have missed my post yesterday where I said: > "I had a thunderbolt that displayed a temperature reading of -54.99°C, which > I was pretty sure wasn't correct. ;-) Apparently the reference in the > DS1620 > chip either shorted or

Re: [time-nuts] lunatic fringe time standards

2010-04-19 Thread Mike Feher
I found the twisting of leads more of a problem with common epoxy packaged transistors than the 8 pin RTL 914/923 devices. Regards - Mike Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo

[time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt 10MHz amplitude jitter

2010-04-19 Thread Arthur Dent
Chris Smith-  "The first thing I noticed was the Temp pane in TBOLTMON shows  -30.8C." - You may have missed my post yesterday where I said:  "I had a thunderbolt that displayed a temperature reading of -54.99°C, wh

Re: [time-nuts] lunatic fringe time standards

2010-04-19 Thread J. Forster
RTL was a VERY simple design. a 2 input NAND had 2 transistors and 3 resistors as I remember. The main issue was lead attachment was the main failure mode in the epoxy-ceramic 8 lead packages. If you twisted a lead, the device died. -John == > I stand corrected. On reflection, I se

Re: [time-nuts] lunatic fringe time standards

2010-04-19 Thread Rob Kimberley
I stand corrected. On reflection, I seem to remember a lower supply voltage on the RTL, although 3.6 doesn't ring a bell. Do remember that it was very temperamental logic family. Used to get lots of catastrophic failures on the DMM product range (which I believe SD acquired from Fairchild). Rob -

[time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt 10MHz amplitude jitter

2010-04-19 Thread Chris Smith
Hi I'm new to this list having been recommended to try here for a solution to my problems by Tom Holmes, N8ZM. I have a 2nd hand Trimble T-bolt which I am trying to use to provide a GPSDO 10MHz reference for my High Performance Software Defined Radio (HPSDR). I bought the unit from an outlet i

Re: [time-nuts] lunatic fringe time standards

2010-04-19 Thread Chuck Harris
DTL had essentially the same specs as TTL. It was an evolutionary step. RTL was a strange beast, and ran off of 3.6V. There is no inherent reason that there couldn't have been multiple families that used different supplies, but I only remember the 3.6V variety. -Chuck Harris Rob Kimberley wro

Re: [time-nuts] HP 104AR

2010-04-19 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2
At 18:33 19-04-10, you wrote: The 103AR manual is available for download at the to-way.com Web site under test Equipment Manuals--HP Had K7MLR Thanks! Just downloaded. Marco IK1ODO ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe,

Re: [time-nuts] lunatic fringe time standards

2010-04-19 Thread Rob Kimberley
RTL and DTL used 5.0V. I used to service Systron-Donner kit back in the early 70's, and we had a bunch of RTL and DTL stuff. Rob K -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of jmfranke Sent: 15 April 2010 7:49 PM To: 'Discussion of p

Re: [time-nuts] HP 104AR

2010-04-19 Thread Had
The 103AR manual is available for download at the to-way.com Web site under test Equipment Manuals--HP Had K7MLR At 09:29 AM 4/19/2010, you wrote: Hello Ulrich, of course the 103AR would be nice to have. My email should get it, but I agree that it would be better to send it to Didier's si

Re: [time-nuts] HP 104AR

2010-04-19 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2
Hello Ulrich, of course the 103AR would be nice to have. My email should get it, but I agree that it would be better to send it to Didier's site. As you prefer... I'm QRV. About the messages to Rick four years ago, I found no replies. Does Rick still have the manuals? Rare things sitting on a

Re: [time-nuts] HP 104AR

2010-04-19 Thread paul swed
You could also upload the 10 MB file to didiers website so everyone could have access. It can handle very large files and is a spectacular resource for us fix-it type of guys. Heck check that site and the HP musuem it may be there already On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Ulrich Bangert wrote: >

Re: [time-nuts] HP 104AR

2010-04-19 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Marco, I have a scanned manual of the HP103AR (direct predecessor of the 104) available that should be better than nothing. However it is appr. 10 MB big. Can I attach a file of that size to a mail to your direct address? Best regards Ulrich, DF6JB > -Ursprungliche Nachricht- > Von: time

[time-nuts] HP 104AR

2010-04-19 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2
Hi all, just got a very nice HP 104AR (1963 vintage) for my collection. It seems to work, but... anyone has a manual in PDF, ot at least a schematic ? 73 - Marco IK1ODO ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://