Re: [time-nuts] synchronizing a large number of weaklycoupled oscillators

2010-05-13 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I think in this case we're talking more about phase coherent situations than about simple interaction. Bob On May 13, 2010, at 1:46 PM, Hal Murray wrote: > >> With physical oscillators coupling is limited by the speed of sound (in the >> medium, with pendulum clocks wood is lots quicker th

Re: [time-nuts] synchronizing a large number of weaklycoupled oscillators

2010-05-13 Thread Hal Murray
> With physical oscillators coupling is limited by the speed of sound (in the > medium, with pendulum clocks wood is lots quicker than air with 3-4 km/s) > with electronic oscillators the speed of light. Latter means that their > distance has to be short enough so that they lie within each other's

Re: [time-nuts] synchronizing a large number of weakly coupled oscillators

2010-05-13 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 05/13/2010 01:22 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi and allow for meshes in your synchronization to combat path issues. The SSM based synchronisation routing is not state of the art, but a fairly well understood and documented thing. The ITU-T G.781 is available for free download. The ETSI docum

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 70, Issue 31

2010-05-13 Thread Stanley Reynolds
Like other environmental effects this external impulse would have to have a precise period to move a set of non-synced clocks toward sync otherwise it is just noise. If the impulse is strong then it becomes the clock, or if it is precise again it is the clock, otherwise it is noise the clock mak

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 70, Issue 31

2010-05-13 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 07:22:03AM -0400, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > If gravity effects are the coupling mechanism, then even pendulums are "speed > of light" coupled. February 1665 Huygens discovered the effect with pendulums locked in 50 kg wooden boxes coupling over a wooden beam (he was sick,

Re: [time-nuts] synchronizing a large number of weakly coupled oscillators

2010-05-13 Thread Bob Camp
Hi and allow for meshes in your synchronization to combat path issues. Bob On May 13, 2010, at 6:13 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote: > On 05/12/2010 08:47 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: >> >> Has anyone utilized a network of locally, weakly coupled >> oscillator synchronization (a la >> http://www.p

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 70, Issue 31

2010-05-13 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If gravity effects are the coupling mechanism, then even pendulums are "speed of light" coupled. Bob On May 13, 2010, at 7:13 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 11:09:02AM +0100, Alan Melia wrote: >> Nice reference thanks for those Stanley...interesting, thought provoking >>

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 70, Issue 31

2010-05-13 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 11:09:02AM +0100, Alan Melia wrote: > Nice reference thanks for those Stanley...interesting, thought provoking > reading! Moving apart and possibly changining the relative positions of the > plane of the swing too to test the coupling. There are ways of measuring > this if

Re: [time-nuts] synchronizing a large number of weaklycoupled oscillators

2010-05-13 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:14:50PM -0400, Bob Camp wrote: > If the oscillators all lock to each other, then multiple oscillators don't > have any particular advantage. They're not strongly coupled, they're weakly coupled. There's no master-slave relationship, but a slow synchronization to a res

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 70, Issue 31

2010-05-13 Thread Alan Melia
Nice reference thanks for those Stanley...interesting, thought provoking reading! Moving apart and possibly changining the relative positions of the plane of the swing too to test the coupling. There are ways of measuring this if you have the time :-)) My thought was that even an uncoupled set mig

Re: [time-nuts] synchronizing a large number of weakly coupled oscillators

2010-05-13 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 05/12/2010 08:47 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: Has anyone utilized a network of locally, weakly coupled oscillator synchronization (a la http://www.projectcomputing.com/resources/sync/index.html ) for precise timekeeping purposes? You have to realize that if you have N clocks interlocked, then t

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 70, Issue 31

2010-05-13 Thread clock trust
Dear all A potted history. Before I start a warning I suffer from dyslexia and twitter like a buddie, not a god combination. The aim of the effort in writting this is to forge a way forward to get young people involved with the concept of time and the recording of it. Hence www.timemachinefun.