Re: [time-nuts] Next Generation Time/Frequency Standards May Require Provisions Preventing Vertical Displacement

2010-09-30 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 09/30/2010 06:14 AM, jimlux wrote: Magnus Danielson wrote: Doppler effects is much more important, and it's effects is being treated regularly, such as when talking in the GSM phone while driving the car... Hmm.. I think crystal oscillator frequency variation in the phone is a bigger

Re: [time-nuts] Next Generation Time/Frequency Standards May Require Provisions Preventing Vertical Displacement

2010-09-30 Thread jimlux
Magnus Danielson wrote: On 09/30/2010 06:14 AM, jimlux wrote: Magnus Danielson wrote: Doppler effects is much more important, and it's effects is being treated regularly, such as when talking in the GSM phone while driving the car... Hmm.. I think crystal oscillator frequency variation in

Re: [time-nuts] Next Generation Time/Frequency Standards May Require Provisions Preventing Vertical Displacement

2010-09-30 Thread Oz-in-DFW
On 9/30/2010 8:43 AM, jimlux wrote: how stable? The parts are generally ~ 1 ppm over temp and another ppm or two aging. I'm sort of curious, I wonder what sort of temperature range cellphones are expected to really work over.. depends on the vendor to some extent. Not all standards spec

[time-nuts] Small quantity custom crystals

2010-09-30 Thread Mark Sims
I need to build some small tracking transmitters (using a circuit similar to   http://www.jbgizmo.com/page4.html   This circuit uses a fifth overtone crystal to get an output in the 216 to 220 MHz range. The circuit is rather finicky about the crystal and transistor...   most don't work.   

Re: [time-nuts] Small quantity custom crystals

2010-09-30 Thread Alan Melia
Mark to my inexpert eye that doesnt look like a very good overtone oscillator but I appreciate that it is slimmed down to keep the weight and size down, I can see why it is touchy. There is nothing to make the oscillator degenerate at the crystal fundamental. In fact it looks like a Pierce with a

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz Frequency Standard

2010-09-30 Thread J. L. Trantham, M. D.
LPRO needs to be calibrated. Once calibrated, should be pretty good for a reasonable period of time, depending on what your performance criteria are, probably a year or so for amateur radio type stuff. Thunderbolt is linked to NIST, via the GPS satellites, and never needs calibration. LPRO more

Re: [time-nuts] Small quantity custom crystals

2010-09-30 Thread Nick Foster
To ease the requirements on your crystal, you might consider using a diode frequency multiplier to bring your oscillator frequency into that range. Wenzel has a good app note on one variety: http://www.wenzel.com/documents/2diomult.html --n On Thu, 2010-09-30 at 18:57 +, Mark Sims wrote: I

Re: [time-nuts] Small quantity custom crystals

2010-09-30 Thread Dave Haupt
When I was in the television transmitter biz, we ran 5th, 7th and 9th up to 216MHz using JFET Pierce oscillators. We used the same oscillator for low VHF to high VHF and only changed an LC circuit to make sure the oscillator would take off on the correct overtone. Our supplier of choice was

[time-nuts] Small quantity custom crystals

2010-09-30 Thread Mark Sims
I'm not sure if the thing actually operates on the 5th overtone.  I have some mystery TO5 44.7 MHz crystals that it puts out 223.5 MHz.  The actual freq at the collector seems to be 74.5 MHz (but it is a complex waveform). The circuit generates a short burst every second or two.  It is VERY