Re: [time-nuts] Squaring Tbolt 10Mhz output

2011-03-23 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
One problem that is evident when a simple longtailed pair (differential amplifier) is used to convert a sine wave to a square wave is the tilt that is evident in the waveform when the output transistor is conducting. This is due to feedthrough from the input signal via the emitter base capaci

Re: [time-nuts] Squaring Tbolt 10Mhz output

2011-03-23 Thread Bruce Griffiths
One problem that is evident when a simple longtailed pair (differential amplifier) is used to convert a sine wave to a square wave is the tilt that is evident in the waveform when the output transistor is conducting. This is due to feedthrough from the input signal via the emitter base capacita

Re: [time-nuts] Squaring Tbolt 10Mhz output

2011-03-23 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
James wrote: I'm trying to square the 10Mhz output from a Thunderbolt GPSDO, and failing miserably. I'm still very new at this so please forgive my ignorance. I thought it was going to be easy. I have tried diodes, comparators, op-amps, Schmidt trigger buffers,regular buffers, inverters, and dif

[time-nuts] Upgrade project, Odetics 325/425

2011-03-23 Thread Bruce Lane
Fellow clock-tickers, Just a point of interest. I have successfully upgraded my Odetics 425 by replacing its original quartz OCXO with an Efratom (Ball) FRS-C series rubidium oscillator. The process was pretty simple: Wire the FRS-C in, with practically identical wiring to the

Re: [time-nuts] Squaring Tbolt 10Mhz output

2011-03-23 Thread Bruce Griffiths
James Fournier wrote: Hello All, I'm trying to square the 10Mhz output from a Thunderbolt GPSDO, and failing miserably. I'm still very new at this so please forgive my ignorance. I thought it was going to be easy. I have tried diodes, comparators, op-amps, Schmidt trigger buffers,regular buffers

Re: [time-nuts] Squaring Tbolt 10Mhz output

2011-03-23 Thread Greg Broburg
Feed it through a 10M0 Hz crystal filter (easy to make out of one crystal) then put the output of the filter into a fast comparator. It is commonly done in certain types of DDS synthesizers. Is that clear enough or do you need a picture? Greg On 3/23/2011 6:57 PM, James Fournier wrote: Hello A

[time-nuts] Squaring Tbolt 10Mhz output

2011-03-23 Thread James Fournier
Hello All, I'm trying to square the 10Mhz output from a Thunderbolt GPSDO, and failing miserably. I'm still very new at this so please forgive my ignorance. I thought it was going to be easy. I have tried diodes, comparators, op-amps, Schmidt trigger buffers,regular buffers, inverters, and differe

Re: [time-nuts] 50/60 Hz clocks

2011-03-23 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi We're only driving a motor here, low distortion is hardly a requirement. You mean this is for a mechanical clock? Then telk of a 512K LUT is pointless. You need only 8-bit samples and to shore 90 degrees of the sine function takes 64 bytes.

Re: [time-nuts] Fluke 203A Distribution Amplifier Manual?

2011-03-23 Thread stijn
Hi David, Is it possible for you to upload your scan to KO4BB (once it is done)? I am also looking for this manual and I am sure there are more people lurking. Stijn >> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 18:29:33 -0700 >> From: Dan Rae >> Subject: [time-nuts] Fluke 203A Distribution Amplifier Manual? >> >>

Re: [time-nuts] 50/60 Hz clocks

2011-03-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi You can do the drop / add pulse thing with a sub 50 cent micro. The only real sorting function is that you rule out the ones that won't take an external 10 MHz clock. If you want pseudo sine wave with PWM that likely will fit. We're only driving a motor here, low distortion is hardly a requ

Re: [time-nuts] 50/60 Hz clocks

2011-03-23 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Mark Sims wrote: > >> it doesn't have to be THAT complex. A 50 entry LUT is however expensive. > Yeah,  might even cost as much as a whole US dollar (ragged as they are these > days).  512 kbyte EPROMs can be had for under $1...  connect the outputs to a > re

Re: [time-nuts] Fluke 203A Distribution Amplifier Manual?

2011-03-23 Thread Dave M
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 18:29:33 -0700 From: Dan Rae Subject: [time-nuts] Fluke 203A Distribution Amplifier Manual? Does anyone know of a source for this one? It is a sort of functional clone of the -hp- 5087; mine is modified for 1 in and 9 10 MHz outputs. I have tried all the usual suspects..

[time-nuts] 50/60 Hz clocks

2011-03-23 Thread Mark Sims
> it doesn't have to be THAT complex. A 50 entry LUT is however expensive. Yeah, might even cost as much as a whole US dollar (ragged as they are these days). 512 kbyte EPROMs can be had for under $1... connect the outputs to a resistor ladder (might need an output latch), filter, voila

Re: [time-nuts] 50/60 Hz clocks

2011-03-23 Thread Kasper Pedersen
On 03/10/2011 11:41 PM, Robert LaJeunesse wrote: Poor man's solution: Use an Arduino to read the Thunderbolt 1PPS and lock a 50Hz (or 60Hz) square wave to the 1PPS. Any resulting jitter can likely be kept in Here is an even poorer man's solution (and plug): A DDS using both compare outputs of

Re: [time-nuts] 50/60 Hz clocks, start at 60M0 Hz

2011-03-23 Thread Greg Broburg
Just thinking here about making a 60M0 Hz oscillator and phase locking it to the 10M0 reference. Then divide the 60M0 by 1e6. Youve got a perfectly locked 60 Hz square wave. For low harmonic 60 Hz sine wave one can go for 480 Hz to start a Walsh -Hadamard converter. Take 60M0 divide by 125 (easy

Re: [time-nuts] 50/60 Hz clocks

2011-03-23 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 03/22/2011 11:45 PM, Hal Murray wrote: mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org said: On the other hand, it would not be difficult to make a DDS which hit 60/ 1000 exactly. Reducing it by 20 on each side you get 3/50 so a 19 bit accumulator (mod 50) incrementing with 3 on every 100 ns perio

Re: [time-nuts] HP-3586B SSB L.O. Mods...

2011-03-23 Thread paul swed
Indeed you left out one other. Congress will tax the ionosphere so some times there simply is less of it. Need to close the budget gap somehow. On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > Deep dips in WWVB can be from several sources. One is the sunrise / sunset > thing that seems

Re: [time-nuts] HP-3586B SSB L.O. Mods...

2011-03-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Deep dips in WWVB can be from several sources. One is the sunrise / sunset thing that seems to happen on a fairly regular basis. Once you take that out, I suspect that great big storms like the one between you and Colorado just might have some influence. Any antenna, even VLF is going to be