Re: [time-nuts] Ebay FE-5680A Rb: Connections and Features

2011-12-12 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 12/12/2011 04:00:17 GMT Standard Time, smit...@c-c-i.com writes: But you can query the unit and it will reply with the programmed offset value. If you get it wrong, it won't accept the programmed value. Just query it with: 2d 04 00 29 to verify the offset value.

Re: [time-nuts] Subs for obsolete chips in pictic

2011-12-12 Thread Azelio Boriani
The 74HC series can handle 6V levels too. The 74HCT series is a 5V logic family. On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Stanley timen...@n4iqt.com wrote: The 74AC175 can not be subituted as the circuit needs the higher voltage output, contact me off list if you need a few parts, or use the surface

Re: [time-nuts] Subs for obsolete chips in pictic

2011-12-12 Thread Hal Murray
Better use 74HC or 74HCT parts, the 74F should be TTL FAST parts that require high input current to be driven correctly. HC/HCT are pretty slow. I'd carefully check the data sheet timings before substituting for AC. Yes, F/FAST requires some input current, but I wouldn't call it high.

Re: [time-nuts] Subs for obsolete chips in pictic

2011-12-12 Thread Azelio Boriani
Yes, your're right: higher than CMOS, I was too high. On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.netwrote: Better use 74HC or 74HCT parts, the 74F should be TTL FAST parts that require high input current to be driven correctly. HC/HCT are pretty slow. I'd carefully

Re: [time-nuts] gravity controlled pendulumn clock?

2011-12-12 Thread Tom Van Baak
Jim Lux writes: intriguing. From your parenthetical remark, I'm assuming you move the whole assembly up and down to adjust the speed? I was thinking about a huge mass that moves around? Got one already -- it's called the moon! let's see.. period is proportional to sqrt(1/g) g is

Re: [time-nuts] Subs for obsolete chips in pictic

2011-12-12 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 12:04:35 -0800 Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: It uses a few 74ACxxx locic family parts that are no longer made. This surprises me a bit. Do you have any references to EOL notices from the manufacturers? Yes, they are not as easy to find as they used to be,

Re: [time-nuts] Subs for obsolete chips in pictic

2011-12-12 Thread Chris Albertson
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 4:28 AM, Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote: On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 12:04:35 -0800 Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: It uses a few 74ACxxx locic family parts that are no longer made. This surprises me a bit. Do you have any references to EOL notices

Re: [time-nuts] Subs for obsolete chips in pictic

2011-12-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The part went gone with the wind right as the board was being released Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Chris Albertson Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 12:42 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency

[time-nuts] FE-5680A internal signal waveforms (60, 30, 10 MHz)

2011-12-12 Thread beale
I have two of the FE-5680A (FEI P/N 217400-30352-1) Rb references, and I'm looking at the signals on digital side of the PCB inside, in particular the Xilinx CPLD, that is the XC9572XL in a 64-pin package. Here is a photo with the signals marked:

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A internal signal waveforms (60, 30, 10 MHz)

2011-12-12 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Was the probe grounded using a spring clip off the probe tip, hitting the nearest ground that is tied directly to the 9572? If not, the waveform captured is not the waveform present during operation. Also, using a 10pF probe on a 2ns risetime signal is quite a heavy load / impedance mismatch.

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A internal signal waveforms (60, 30, 10 MHz)

2011-12-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you are getting 11 V p-p, I'd bet you don't have the 10 MHz output terminated in 50 ohms. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of beale Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 1:29 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject:

Re: [time-nuts] gravity controlled pendulumn clock?

2011-12-12 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 12/12/2011 01:37 AM, Jim Lux wrote: On 12/11/11 4:04 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: GCPC -- gravity controlled pendulum clock (elevation) intriguing. From your parenthetical remark, I'm assuming you move the whole assembly up and down to adjust the speed? I was thinking about a huge mass that

Re: [time-nuts] Ebay FE-5680A Rb: Connections and Features

2011-12-12 Thread Mark C. Stephens
Realterm is a good one too: http://realterm.sourceforge.net/ Cutecom works perfectly: http://cutecom.sourceforge.net/ inline: image001.gif___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] gravity controlled pendulumn clock?

2011-12-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you have a mountain nearby, it does indeed impact the local field. I believe they first measured that in the 1700's. Bob On Dec 12, 2011, at 5:19 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 12/12/2011 01:37 AM, Jim Lux wrote: On 12/11/11 4:04 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: GCPC -- gravity controlled

Re: [time-nuts] gravity controlled pendulumn clock?

2011-12-12 Thread Bill Beam
On 12/12/2011 1:19:31 PM, Magnus Danielson (mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org) wrote: On 12/12/2011 01:37 AM, Jim Lux wrote: On 12/11/11 4:04 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: GCPC -- gravity controlled pendulum clock (elevation) intriguing. From your parenthetical remark, I'm assuming you move the

Re: [time-nuts] gravity controlled pendulumn clock?

2011-12-12 Thread Azelio Boriani
Aha, there is a near-field for gravity too? Interesting... going to google for gravitational near-field at once! On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: On 12/12/2011 01:37 AM, Jim Lux wrote: On 12/11/11 4:04 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: GCPC --

Re: [time-nuts] gravity controlled pendulumn clock?

2011-12-12 Thread Francis Grosz
Folks, Actually, the USGS goes around measuring the local gravitational constant in various places. There was a gravimeter set up in the basement of one of the local universities a few years back doing just that. And some time ago, the U.S. spent a fair amount of time, money and effort

Re: [time-nuts] gravity controlled pendulumn clock?

2011-12-12 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/12/11 2:19 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 12/12/2011 01:37 AM, Jim Lux wrote: On 12/11/11 4:04 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: GCPC -- gravity controlled pendulum clock (elevation) intriguing. From your parenthetical remark, I'm assuming you move the whole assembly up and down to adjust the

Re: [time-nuts] gravity controlled pendulumn clock?

2011-12-12 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/12/11 2:19 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 12/12/2011 01:37 AM, Jim Lux wrote: On 12/11/11 4:04 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: GCPC -- gravity controlled pendulum clock (elevation) intriguing. From your parenthetical remark, I'm assuming you move the whole assembly up and down to adjust the

Re: [time-nuts] gravity controlled pendulumn clock?

2011-12-12 Thread bg
Folks, Actually, the USGS goes around measuring the local gravitational constant in various places. There was a gravimeter set up in the basement of one of the local universities a few years back doing just that. And some time ago, the U.S. spent a fair amount of time, money and

Re: [time-nuts] gravity controlled pendulumn clock?

2011-12-12 Thread Azelio Boriani
OK, you are referring to the gravitational field just inside the mass as near field. I was thinking about something like the near EM field. On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:46 AM, b...@lysator.liu.se wrote: Folks, Actually, the USGS goes around measuring the local gravitational constant

[time-nuts] FE-5680A

2011-12-12 Thread Pete Lancashire
I blame you all .. I have no reason to get one of the $40 units, but sigh .. I did. wonder how many of the 40 odd the seller had, were bought by TN's -pete ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A

2011-12-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi My guess is that the supply is in the thousands... Bob On Dec 12, 2011, at 7:16 PM, Pete Lancashire p...@petelancashire.com wrote: I blame you all .. I have no reason to get one of the $40 units, but sigh .. I did. wonder how many of the 40 odd the seller had, were bought by TN's

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A

2011-12-12 Thread paul swed
Though I have not purchased one or two and at this point they won't arrive before Christmas, I suspect that we time nuts really have not made a huge dent measured by the posts here. This is indeed one of those deals. Regards Paul. On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A

2011-12-12 Thread Chris Albertson
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi My guess is that the supply is in the thousands... We don't know the number of units he has but was can see how many were sold. ebay provides a link to bidding and sales history. I looked and I say so far dozens not thousands.

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A

2011-12-12 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
Some of the offers include free shipping, others not. That affects the calculation. On 12/12/2011 05:42 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Bob Campli...@rtty.us wrote: Hi My guess is that the supply is in the thousands... We don't know the number of units he has but

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A

2011-12-12 Thread Pete Lancashire
I had thought of doing the same .. but trying trying to keep the junk pile lower then the roof On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi My guess is that the supply is in the

[time-nuts] filtering a 10Mhz frequency standard?

2011-12-12 Thread Chris Albertson
What is the best practice for filtering a 10Mhz sine wave frequency standard? I've read that you can do more harm than good. Filter parts (caps, resistors and so on) are all temperature sensitive. But all those $40 Rb oscillators are putting out a pretty rough looking sine wave. Are some types

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A

2011-12-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There are several dozen listings for the FE-5680's if you count up all the different sellers, shipping options, and PC board / no pc board choices. My *guess* is that there are also another batch of listings if you dig into the European and Asian eBay listings. That's a lot of activity ...

Re: [time-nuts] filtering a 10Mhz frequency standard?

2011-12-12 Thread Dan Rae
On 12/12/2011 5:54 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: What is the best practice for filtering a 10Mhz sine wave frequency standard? I've read that you can do more harm than good. Filter parts (caps, resistors and so on) are all temperature sensitive. But all those $40 Rb oscillators are putting out a

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A

2011-12-12 Thread paul swed
Pete I have been trying to keep your pile down. ;-) If I do buy them it will be a pair also. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Pete Lancashire p...@petelancashire.comwrote: I had thought of doing the same .. but trying trying to keep the junk pile lower then the roof On

Re: [time-nuts] filtering a 10Mhz frequency standard?

2011-12-12 Thread lists
I think you would want to avoid crystal filters due to microphonics. I've found building good LCR filters harder in real life than on paper. (I've done plenty of leapfrog active filters from LCR based designs.) I've had to make a passive LCR for ADC testing and secondary (parasitic elements of

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A

2011-12-12 Thread Peter Gottlieb
If someone says or best offer of course I'm going to make a smaller offer when multiple items are for sale. This is what the seller is telling you to do. I bought one and finally tonight hooked it up to see if it ran. After a few minutes it locked up nice. For the price, I think I will pick

Re: [time-nuts] filtering a 10Mhz frequency standard?

2011-12-12 Thread Bob Bownes
Paul Wade did a paper on 10Mhz GPSDO filtering for Microwave Update in October. It is in the proceedings. I don't know if it is available elsewhere. Bob On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 9:17 PM, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: I think you would want to avoid crystal filters due to microphonics. I've

Re: [time-nuts] gravity controlled pendulumn clock?

2011-12-12 Thread Bill Hawkins
Let's see, arguably the most accurate pendulum clock was the Shortt clock. It was good to 200 microseconds/day, or about 2 E-9, where you could see the effect of the moon and the sun, just. Suppose I have one of those beauties in my basement, with the requisite apparatus to compare it to a

Re: [time-nuts] Pear shaped earth

2011-12-12 Thread lstoskopf
Interestingly, until there were artificial satellites, you couldn't tell that the earth is slightly pear shaped. You need to read Measure of the Earth N0UU ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] gravity controlled pendulumn clock?

2011-12-12 Thread Hal Murray
Suppose I have one of those beauties in my basement, with the requisite apparatus to compare it to a Caesium clock disciplined by GPS. Suppose my wife drives her 3000 pound car out of the garage, about 20 feet away. What will be the affect of that local change in mass? Could I discipline a

Re: [time-nuts] gravity controlled pendulumn clock?

2011-12-12 Thread aartmolsen
Instead of a GPS disciplined one ton mass, Huygens used a second clock on his mantel. The very slight acceleration that each pendulum exerted on the mantel caused the other clock to displace slightly, so its escapement triggered either earlier or later, and finally the clocks became

Re: [time-nuts] gravity controlled pendulumn clock?

2011-12-12 Thread Don Latham
or you can use a cubic yard of plain sand, about 2700# (depends on how moist it is) -- Neither the voice of authority nor the weight of reason and argument are as significant as experiment, for thence comes quiet to the mind. R. Bacon If you don't know what it is, don't poke it. Ghost in the