Re: [time-nuts] Building a GPSDO trouble using Jupiter-T

2012-01-31 Thread Azelio Boriani
OK, will check the uBlox datasheet, until now I was assuming that the uBlox series was capable of more than 1 fix per second in navigation and in timing. On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Didier Juges shali...@gmail.com wrote: You have to spend good money to get a GPS receiver capable of

Re: [time-nuts] Building a GPSDO trouble using Jupiter-T

2012-01-31 Thread Attila Kinali
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:26:15 +0100 Azelio Boriani azelio.bori...@screen.it wrote: On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Didier Juges shali...@gmail.com wrote: You have to spend good money to get a GPS receiver capable of calculating it's time and/or position more than once per second. I am not

Re: [time-nuts] Racal-Dana 1991 w. Option 4C - what is that ?

2012-01-31 Thread Alan Melia
Hi Tom I seem to remember seeing a 5MHz standard in a triple oven at PO Research in London were I worked in 1961. The crystal was made there and was a 5MHz 3rd overtone and either a plano-convex or double-convex shape, I believe. They had a lens grinding machine for generating the blanks. This was

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A decoded - another piece of the puzzle

2012-01-31 Thread paul swed
I did the mod and getting to pin 5 was tough. However Doug mentioned that there is another point to the left of the chip thats easier to get to. Don't recall the point. But if the lead ever comes off of 5 I can assure you I will find it. :-) My unit zeroed about at about 2 V. So I am using a 10 T

[time-nuts] FE-5680A decoded - another piece of the puzzle

2012-01-31 Thread Arthur Dent
Tue Jan 31 14:15:57 UTC 2012 I did the mod and getting to pin 5 was tough. However Doug mentioned that there is another point to the left of the chip thats easier to get to. Don't recall the point. But if the lead ever comes off of 5 I can assure you I will find it. :-) My unit zeroed about at

Re: [time-nuts] FE-.5680A trimming resolution

2012-01-31 Thread Attila Kinali
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:47:54 + Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com wrote: The Tbolt does not have any sawtooth error or corrections. Its' GPS receiver LO is generated from the 10 MHz oscillator. That's what makes it the best GPSDO out there. I just wonder, whether one could take a GPS

[time-nuts] OT: Time syncing media in HTML5 - from BBC Research

2012-01-31 Thread David J Taylor
One of the recurring themes of our work over the past few years has been synchronising web-based media with audio/video. In this first of two technical blog posts on our recent work on P2P Next, we explain why and how we implemented the HTML5 media element attribute startOffsetTime in

Re: [time-nuts] FE-.5680A trimming resolution

2012-01-31 Thread EWKehren
What do you think you would gain from that. Does the LEA-6T have a TCXO? Bert In a message dated 1/31/2012 10:53:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, att...@kinali.ch writes: On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:47:54 + Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com wrote: The Tbolt does not have any sawtooth error

Re: [time-nuts] FE-.5680A trimming resolution

2012-01-31 Thread Chris Albertson
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote: one could take a GPS module, like the LEA-6T and replace the TCXO they have with a VCXO that is phase locked to the 10MHz reference I'm trying to figure out your goal. The above assumes one already has a 10MHz

Re: [time-nuts] FE-.5680A trimming resolution

2012-01-31 Thread Attila Kinali
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 11:46:45 -0500 (EST) ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 1/31/2012 10:53:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, att...@kinali.ch writes: I just wonder, whether one could take a GPS module, like the LEA-6T and replace the TCXO they have with a VCXO that is phase

Re: [time-nuts] FE-.5680A trimming resolution

2012-01-31 Thread Attila Kinali
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:32:22 -0800 Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote: one could take a GPS module, like the LEA-6T and replace the TCXO they have with a VCXO that is phase locked to the 10MHz

Re: [time-nuts] FE-.5680A trimming resolution

2012-01-31 Thread bg
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:32:22 -0800 Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote: one could take a GPS module, like the LEA-6T and replace the TCXO they have with a VCXO that is phase locked to the 10MHz

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A decoded - another piece of the puzzle

2012-01-31 Thread paul swed
Thanks Arthur. Thats the thread I was referring to. On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Arthur Dent golgarfrinc...@yahoo.comwrote: Tue Jan 31 14:15:57 UTC 2012 I did the mod and getting to pin 5 was tough. However Doug mentioned that there is another point to the left of the chip thats easier

[time-nuts] FE-5680A internal connector

2012-01-31 Thread EB4APL
Hi, Has anybody investigated the internal connector at the end of the board? It seems that it is only for factory tests/adjustments, but probably there are interesting signals there. I will probe there but I promised myself not power the unit again until I have a proper setup (and after

Re: [time-nuts] FE-.5680A trimming resolution

2012-01-31 Thread Attila Kinali
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:50:08 +0100 b...@lysator.liu.se wrote: Let's say, i'm building a GPSDO with a high quality OCXO. Wouldnt it then make sense to lock the reference clock of the GPS receiver also to that OCXO? Attila Kinali Exactly that _is_ the appeal of the

Re: [time-nuts] Building a GPSDO trouble using Jupiter-T

2012-01-31 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 31/01/12 03:17, Didier Juges wrote: You have to spend good money to get a GPS receiver capable of calculating it's time and/or position more than once per second. I am not aware of that being done for timing applications, but it is available for navigation GPS receivers, such as those used to

Re: [time-nuts] Quick tutorial on jitter

2012-01-31 Thread Javier Serrano
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:46 PM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: So jitter can be many things and many values, all depending on what you do. Indeed. Here's a mostly-from-textbooks view we use often for synchronization systems in particle accelerators:

Re: [time-nuts] FE-.5680A trimming resolution

2012-01-31 Thread Javier Herrero
El 31/01/2012 20:43, Attila Kinali escribió: My current progress is that the uC i wanted to use does not do what i want. Can anyone recommend a uC with 32bit timers and IEEE 1588 support? You can have a look on these

Re: [time-nuts] FE-.5680A trimming resolution

2012-01-31 Thread cfo
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 20:43:35 +0100, Attila Kinali wrote: My current progress is that the uC i wanted to use does not do what i want. Can anyone recommend a uC with 32bit timers and IEEE 1588 support? Some of the ST's supports IEEE-1588

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix GPIB-ETH - Linux examples ?

2012-01-31 Thread cfo
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:23:10 +, cfo wrote: I just got my Prologix GPIB-ETH I am 90% Linux Ubuntu based , and would like to get 99% based. So i am looking for some C code examples, implementing the linux networking part. Thanx for all the suggestions , i'll have a look at porting

Re: [time-nuts] FE-.5680A trimming resolution

2012-01-31 Thread Attila Kinali
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 21:06:04 +0100 Javier Herrero jherr...@hvsistemas.es wrote: El 31/01/2012 20:43, Attila Kinali escribió: My current progress is that the uC i wanted to use does not do what i want. Can anyone recommend a uC with 32bit timers and IEEE 1588 support? You can have a look

Re: [time-nuts] FE-.5680A trimming resolution

2012-01-31 Thread Don Latham
If you are willing to use external counters: Dallas DS2423 Dual 32-bit Counter Or, if you have an unlimited budget: http://www.cwcelectronicsystems.com/dual32ct_modulario.html the word defense is prominent here :-). Or counter products from: http://www.lsicsi.com/ I use encoder interfaces from

Re: [time-nuts] FE-.5680A trimming resolution

2012-01-31 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message deac00aacc21732c4705e34cd4097d7a.squir...@www.webmail.montana.com, Don Latham writes: want. Can anyone recommend a uC with 32bit timers and IEEE 1588 An suitable motherboard and an intel 82599 based ethernet card ? The latter will set you back approx $700, but $1000 should get you

Re: [time-nuts] FE-.5680A trimming resolution

2012-01-31 Thread Rob Kimberley
If anyone is interested, I have just got hold of a PDF of the Technical Manual TM 5680-0211 for 5680A series Rubidiums. Please contact me off list for a copy (1M, so too large to post on time-nuts@febo.com) Rob Kimberley -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] FE-.5680A trimming resolution

2012-01-31 Thread Javier Herrero
El 31/01/2012 21:47, Attila Kinali escribió: This was exactly the device i intended to use. But it doesnt really have 32bit timers. They cascade two 16bit timers to get 32bit, but then all kind of restrictions apply which make the timers unusable. And when using 16bit timers, i'll get an

Re: [time-nuts] FE-.5680A trimming resolution

2012-01-31 Thread cfo
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 21:47:15 +0100, Attila Kinali wrote: STM32-F2/F4 (ST): ST doesn't want to give me the documentation to those. (website fails w/o error message) I have no probs with the ST site (Discovery-F4) http://www.st.com/internet/evalboard/product/252419.jsp You want these for the

Re: [time-nuts] FE-.5680A trimming resolution

2012-01-31 Thread Azelio Boriani
The Navsync FTS125 is an example where the GPS receiver engine (the CW25) is driven by a 20MHz fixed OCXO. At the moment I don't know if the CW25 of the FTS125 has a specific firmware for that but I suspect that it must be so. In my opinion it is best to have a tunable OCXO (like the TBolt) to

Re: [time-nuts] Racal-Dana 1991 w. Option 4C - what is that ?

2012-01-31 Thread David C. Partridge
It's a 5Mhz crystal with a frequency doubler at the output. Dave -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of cfo Sent: 30 January 2012 17:25 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Racal-Dana 1991 w. Option 4C - what is

Re: [time-nuts] GHz output from fe5680a

2012-01-31 Thread ken johnson
Does anyone else have problems with links to tf.nist.gov? When I try to get the pdf's, I get no reply from the url at all. My browser puts out the request, but gets no reply whatsoever and eventually gives up. This also happened previously with this url

Re: [time-nuts] FE-.5680A trimming resolution

2012-01-31 Thread Chris Albertson
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote: Let's say, i'm building a GPSDO with a high quality OCXO. Wouldnt it then make sense to lock the reference clock of the GPS receiver also to that OCXO? Yes, I see. That is exactly what Trimble does in the Thunderbolt.

Re: [time-nuts] GHz output from fe5680a

2012-01-31 Thread Steve
Ken, The links are working fine for me on our home network and our firewall is set to medium/high security mode. Are you having the same issues with any other .gov links? Steve On Jan 31, 2012, at 5:09 PM, ken johnson bats...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone else have problems with links to

Re: [time-nuts] FE-.5680A trimming resolution

2012-01-31 Thread Chris Albertson
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote: My current progress is that the uC i wanted to use does not do what i want. Can anyone recommend a uC with 32bit timers and IEEE 1588 support? Does the system need to be small? If not Generic PC hardware can work. Buy

[time-nuts] Android App for UTC vs GPS vs TAI vs Device Time

2012-01-31 Thread Iain
Hi Folks, We all know the issue of Android Devices that report GPS as UTC Time, and all that goes with it. I do have TAI Clock installed, along with UTC Clock and Navy Clock Now.. Even though I have a Samsung S-2, what I'm really after is an app that shows the following: 1) Local Device

Re: [time-nuts] GHz output from fe5680a

2012-01-31 Thread ken johnson
Thanks for the reply Steve- yes, I can access nasa.gov and nist.gov ok, but no matter which way I try, tf.nist.gov just will not reply to my browser's request. It's not as if my firewall is stopping the reply, there is simply no reply coming back. The url resolves to 132.163.4.169, and a whois

Re: [time-nuts] GHz output from fe5680a

2012-01-31 Thread KD0GLS
Ken, I sent you an email with all three documents attached. Did you not receive them? .73, Brent, KD0GLS, Minneapolis On 31 Jan 2012, at 18:03, ken johnson wrote: Thanks for the reply Steve- yes, I can access nasa.gov and nist.gov ok, but no matter which way I try, tf.nist.gov just will

Re: [time-nuts] GHz output from fe5680a

2012-01-31 Thread Chris Albertson
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 4:02 PM, ken johnson bats...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the reply Steve- yes, I can access nasa.gov and nist.gov ok, but no matter which way I try,  tf.nist.gov just will not reply to my browser's request. It's not as if my firewall is stopping the reply, It's their

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Time syncing media in HTML5 - from BBC Research

2012-01-31 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 31/01/12 17:00, David J Taylor wrote: One of the recurring themes of our work over the past few years has been synchronising web-based media with audio/video. In this first of two technical blog posts on our recent work on P2P Next, we explain why and how we implemented the HTML5 media

Re: [time-nuts] FE-.5680A trimming resolution

2012-01-31 Thread ken johnson
Rob, I would be happy to put it on one of my web pages so people could download it. On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 8:14 AM, Rob Kimberley robkimber...@btinternet.comwrote: If anyone is interested, I have just got hold of a PDF of the Technical Manual TM 5680-0211 for 5680A series Rubidiums. Please

Re: [time-nuts] GHz output from fe5680a

2012-01-31 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 31/01/12 07:27, Javier Herrero wrote: El 31/01/2012 02:52, Magnus Danielson escribió: On 31/01/12 02:20, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Simple answer is don't bother. More complex answer - of course you can. You will get a forest of spikes (every 5, MHz or so ). Also, since the 5,3 MHz is

Re: [time-nuts] FE-.5680A trimming resolution

2012-01-31 Thread Tom Van Baak
Let's say, i'm building a GPSDO with a high quality OCXO. Wouldnt it then make sense to lock the reference clock of the GPS receiver also to that OCXO? Attila Kinali It's a design decision. Most GPSDO sold are made by companies that buy an OEM GPS timing receiver and then create a GPSDO with

Re: [time-nuts] GHz output from fe5680a

2012-01-31 Thread ken johnson
Hi Brent, yes I did thanks, but due to the slightly complicated way I have to use to receive mail from the lists I am on, I replied to Steve's email before I saw yours. Your efforts are are appreciated, I am going to enjoy reading the files. On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 11:07 AM, KD0GLS

Re: [time-nuts] Racal-Dana 1991 w. Option 4C - what is that ?

2012-01-31 Thread Bob Camp
Hi It's not all smoke and mirrors. The Q of quartz goes up as frequency goes down. Nobody really debates that. As frequency goes down blank diameter would need to grow to keep everything same / same. Again not much debate. What does get a lot of debate is just how small you can get blank

Re: [time-nuts] Building a GPSDO trouble using Jupiter-T

2012-01-31 Thread Chris Albertson
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Didier Juges shali...@gmail.com wrote: You have to spend good money to get a GPS receiver capable of calculating it's time and/or position more than once per second. I am not aware of that being done for timing applications, but it is available for navigation

Re: [time-nuts] Building a GPSDO trouble using Jupiter-T

2012-01-31 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 01/02/12 01:29, Chris Albertson wrote: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Didier Jugesshali...@gmail.com wrote: You have to spend good money to get a GPS receiver capable of calculating it's time and/or position more than once per second. I am not aware of that being done for timing

Re: [time-nuts] FE-.5680A trimming resolution

2012-01-31 Thread Chris Albertson
We're waiting for some brave soul to implement an SDR-based GPS timing receiver; we can all then experiment with the TBolt model instead of the TIC/DAC model of GPSDO. There are several projects that do this. There is one written using GNU Radio. I forget the details but I saw it years ago.

Re: [time-nuts] FE-.5680A trimming resolution

2012-01-31 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 31/01/12 20:43, Attila Kinali wrote: On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:50:08 +0100 b...@lysator.liu.se wrote: Let's say, i'm building a GPSDO with a high quality OCXO. Wouldnt it then make sense to lock the reference clock of the GPS receiver also to that OCXO? Attila Kinali

Re: [time-nuts] FE-.5680A trimming resolution

2012-01-31 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 31/01/12 22:14, Rob Kimberley wrote: If anyone is interested, I have just got hold of a PDF of the Technical Manual TM 5680-0211 for 5680A series Rubidiums. Please contact me off list for a copy (1M, so too large to post on time-nuts@febo.com) I'll have it. The russian version is here:

[time-nuts] TM 5680-0211 for 5680A series Rubidiums

2012-01-31 Thread Chris Albertson
On 31/01/12 22:14, Rob Kimberley wrote: If anyone is interested, I have just got hold of a PDF of the Technical Manual TM 5680-0211 for 5680A series Rubidiums. Please contact me off list for a copy (1M, so too large to post on time-nuts@febo.com) I'd ask off line but the quotes did not

Re: [time-nuts] TM 5680-0211 for 5680A series Rubidiums

2012-01-31 Thread Ray Xu
Same here, rayxu...@gmail.com Thank you Ray Xu On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.comwrote: On 31/01/12 22:14, Rob Kimberley wrote: If anyone is interested, I have just got hold of a PDF of the Technical Manual TM 5680-0211 for 5680A series Rubidiums.

Re: [time-nuts] TM 5680-0211 for 5680A series Rubidiums

2012-01-31 Thread paul swed
Stranger still. I never received the first email and am interested. Regards Paul. On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Ray Xu rayxu...@gmail.com wrote: Same here, rayxu...@gmail.com Thank you Ray Xu On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.comwrote: On

Re: [time-nuts] TM 5680-0211 for 5680A series Rubidiums

2012-01-31 Thread Sam
In the interim, here is a translation of the Russian manual. http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ensl=ruu=http://morion.com.ru/uploaded/FE-5680_manual_rus.pdf Sam. - Original Message - From: paul swed [mailto:paulsw...@gmail.com] To: Discussion of precise time and frequency

[time-nuts] Racal-Dana 1992

2012-01-31 Thread Raj
DIY option for the 1992 I picked up mine as scrap. It did not have OCXO and the accuracy was terrible. I had been watching some 'bay auctions and most suitable OCXO were going for 30-40$.. one Christmas I put in a minimum bid and since most of you were away.. I got one for $5.50 ! You need a

Re: [time-nuts] Racal-Dana 1992

2012-01-31 Thread Peter Gottlieb
Sounds just fine to me, and at a great price. Peter On Jan 31, 2012, at 11:12 PM, Raj vu2...@gmail.com wrote: DIY option for the 1992 I picked up mine as scrap. It did not have OCXO and the accuracy was terrible. I had been watching some 'bay auctions and most suitable OCXO were going

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix GPIB-ETH - Linux examples ?

2012-01-31 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/31/12 12:34 PM, cfo wrote: On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:23:10 +, cfo wrote: I just got my Prologix GPIB-ETH I am 90% Linux Ubuntu based , and would like to get 99% based. So i am looking for some C code examples, implementing the linux networking part. Thanx for all the suggestions ,

Re: [time-nuts] GHz output from fe5680a

2012-01-31 Thread Bob Smither
ken johnson wrote: Does anyone else have problems with links to tf.nist.gov? When I try to get the pdf's, I get no reply from the url at all. My browser puts out the request, but gets no reply whatsoever and eventually gives up. This also happened previously with this url tf.nist.gov

Re: [time-nuts] GHz output from fe5680a

2012-01-31 Thread David J Taylor
Does anyone else have problems with links to tf.nist.gov? When I try to get the pdf's, I get no reply from the url at all. My browser puts out the request, but gets no reply whatsoever and eventually gives up. This also happened previously with this url