Re: [time-nuts] Manual or Software for FEI Pico Sync?

2012-05-14 Thread Sam
I wonder if the PicoSync-II software would be compatible? http://support.fei-zyfer.com/95_download.aspx Hi: Is there a manual, data sheet, docs of any kind or software for the FEI Pico Sync? http://www.prc68.com/I/FEIFS.shtml#Picosync -- Have Fun, Brooke Clarke

Re: [time-nuts] Tektronix Manuals

2012-05-14 Thread Azelio Boriani
Yes, interesting. Thanks On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 12:16 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Good site had not run into it before Thanks On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 6:54 PM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: Hi, I fround this site this evening:

Re: [time-nuts] Shera Controller - U7

2012-05-14 Thread Azelio Boriani
Yes, that was my intention: I posted the VHDL of the TimeToDigital TIC I use. Next will be the PI controller. I hope this short roadmap will lead to the evolution of the Shera controller. On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 4:37 AM, J. L. Trantham jlt...@att.net wrote: I have always been interested in

[time-nuts] Re Shera Controller - U7

2012-05-14 Thread Merv Thomas
Hi Kevin - I have a spare I can send you. I responded direct to your email but no reply. Merv VK6BMT ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the

Re: [time-nuts] Manual or Software for FEI Pico Sync?

2012-05-14 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Sam: Thanks. After adding .exe to the file name it installs and runs. Now the problem is the connector on the Pico Sync, it's a DB-9m, unlike the DB-9f on the Thunderbolt and most of my other RS-232 stuff. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com

Re: [time-nuts] Re Shera Controller - U7

2012-05-14 Thread EWKehren
I also located a couple of units in my inventory. But U 7 is not critical, it was at the time an elegant way to perform two functions. Now that it is not readily available the fix is to use a 6 MHz resonator between pin 9 and 10 on the PIC. 6 MHz is not critical for the over all function

[time-nuts] Why are 1PPS signals so skinny?

2012-05-14 Thread Mark Sims
My first inclination, if I were building a timing receiver, would be to make the PPS output a nice, symmetrical square wave. But pretty much all GPS timing receivers output an anorexic, dinky little heroin addicted supermodel sized pulse (from 1 to 150uS wide is typical).

Re: [time-nuts] Why are 1PPS signals so skinny?

2012-05-14 Thread Azelio Boriani
Feed a 5V 1Hz square wave into a 50OHM load and look at the power drain. Do the same with a 100uS pulse and smile at the difference. On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com wrote: My first inclination, if I were building a timing receiver, would be to make the PPS

Re: [time-nuts] Why are 1PPS signals so skinny?

2012-05-14 Thread mike cook
Le 14/05/2012 17:23, Mark Sims a écrit : My first inclination, if I were building a timing receiver, would be to make the PPS output a nice, symmetrical square wave. But pretty much all GPS timing receivers output an anorexic, dinky little heroin addicted supermodel sized pulse (from 1

Re: [time-nuts] Why are 1PPS signals so skinny?

2012-05-14 Thread bg
Mark Azelio, Or even 10V into 50ohm, 20us... See figure 3-4 in ICD-GPS-060. http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pdf/gps/ICD-GPS-060B.pdf More modern 3-5.5V into 50ohm, 20us. http://contracting.tacom.army.mil/majorsys/jab/DAGR%20Interface%20Specification.pdf Above are two standards

Re: [time-nuts] Why are 1PPS signals so skinny?

2012-05-14 Thread Azelio Boriani
I thought it was only standard practice, now I see that there are standards and requirements too. On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 6:33 PM, b...@lysator.liu.se wrote: Mark Azelio, Or even 10V into 50ohm, 20us... See figure 3-4 in ICD-GPS-060. http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pdf/gps/ICD-GPS-060B.pdf

[time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-14 Thread paul swed
Thanks everyone yesterday for your wwvb comment. I now know why the wwvb signal droped to -120db. Seems that over 4 years water slowly built up in the preamp housing. Water and rust do make fine conductors. May have effected bias just a bit and everything else. Washed it all out and will let it

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent 40 dB Antenna

2012-05-14 Thread David J Taylor
I bought mine because of the gain, but on +5V it performs worse than a 38 dBi antenna, quite a lot worse. I'm wonder whether it needs more volts, or whether it's simply broken. It was ex-equipment, and not in very good shape, but it was described as used so I'll just write off the loss, I

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Resolution SMT - good/bad/indifferent?

2012-05-14 Thread David J Taylor
I see the Trimble Resolution SMT Timing GPS OEM board 66974-35 on a well-known auction site from a weel-know seller fluke.i, at quite a good price, and free UK post. Is it any good - as good it seems to be. Any experience? Just to report back that I eventually got round to powering up one of

Re: [time-nuts] Why are 1PPS signals so skinny?

2012-05-14 Thread Chris Albertson
You don't want it symmetric. If it were then you'd not be able to notice if it was inverted. You need the asymmetry but the next question is how asymmetric? In theory all the information is on the raising edge of the pulse so you cam make it as short as you like and not loose any information.

[time-nuts] Trimble Resolution SMT - good/bad/indifferent?

2012-05-14 Thread Mark Sims
Well, the connector is a standard connector... it's just 2mm/0.070 spacing. I would not trust a dropping resistor. The current consumption on these units does not appear to be constant... the temperature plot varies depending upon what it is doing (i.e. gets warmer when acquiring

Re: [time-nuts] Why are 1PPS signals so skinny?

2012-05-14 Thread Rick Karlquist
Mark Sims wrote: My first inclination, if I were building a timing receiver, would be to make the PPS output a nice, symmetrical square wave. But pretty much all GPS timing receivers output an anorexic, dinky little heroin addicted supermodel sized pulse (from 1 to 150uS wide is

Re: [time-nuts] Why are 1PPS signals so skinny?

2012-05-14 Thread Magnus Danielson
Mark, Azelio and Björn, On 05/14/2012 06:33 PM, b...@lysator.liu.se wrote: Mark Azelio, Or even 10V into 50ohm, 20us... See figure 3-4 in ICD-GPS-060. http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pdf/gps/ICD-GPS-060B.pdf More modern 3-5.5V into 50ohm, 20us.

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-14 Thread Magnus Danielson
Paul. On 05/14/2012 07:20 PM, paul swed wrote: Thanks everyone yesterday for your wwvb comment. I now know why the wwvb signal droped to -120db. Seems that over 4 years water slowly built up in the preamp housing. Water and rust do make fine conductors. I had the same problem with a GPS

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-14 Thread paul swed
Magnus Yes indeed will be working tonight. At least the preamp.Need to figure out what was leaking yet. A bit messy but no real damage and it uses nothing but simple parts. It also allowed water into the coax so will need to chop 3ft off and put a new connector on. Minor stuff. Regards Paul. On

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-14 Thread Magnus Danielson
Paul, On 05/14/2012 09:46 PM, paul swed wrote: Magnus Yes indeed will be working tonight. At least the preamp.Need to figure out what was leaking yet. A bit messy but no real damage and it uses nothing but simple parts. Good to hear. It also allowed water into the coax so will need to chop

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-14 Thread Hal Murray
mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org said: I had the same problem with a GPS antenna at work. Somebody had put the manufactures label over the porus plug that should have vented out any water... but it didn't so I had too high water-level inside the antenna. How does water get in? I'm not doubting

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-14 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hal, On 05/14/2012 09:54 PM, Hal Murray wrote: mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org said: I had the same problem with a GPS antenna at work. Somebody had put the manufactures label over the porus plug that should have vented out any water... but it didn't so I had too high water-level inside the

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-14 Thread Jim Hickstein
How does water get in? Is this a Spectracom 8206? Should I worry about mine (that one that's outdoors)? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the

Re: [time-nuts] Why are 1PPS signals so skinny?

2012-05-14 Thread Azelio Boriani
OK, thank you for the references. On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Mark, Azelio and Björn, On 05/14/2012 06:33 PM, b...@lysator.liu.se wrote: Mark Azelio, Or even 10V into 50ohm, 20us... See figure 3-4 in ICD-GPS-060.

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-14 Thread paul swed
Magnus is right lots of ways for water to sneak in. So I have not had time to figure it out yet. But it is a copper loop and I suspect the place its joining the preamp box let water in over time. The fact is even a small pin hole that allows air in and out thats humid can allow water buildup. But

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-14 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 05/14/2012 11:04 PM, paul swed wrote: Magnus is right lots of ways for water to sneak in. So I have not had time to figure it out yet. But it is a copper loop and I suspect the place its joining the preamp box let water in over time. The fact is even a small pin hole that allows air in and

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-14 Thread Joseph M Gwinn
time-nuts-boun...@febo.com wrote on 05/14/2012 05:04:13 PM: From: paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time- n...@febo.com Date: 05/14/2012 05:04 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-14 Thread Arnold Tibus
Am 14.05.2012 21:54, schrieb Hal Murray: mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org said: I had the same problem with a GPS antenna at work. Somebody had put the manufactures label over the porus plug that should have vented out any water... but it didn't so I had too high water-level inside the antenna.

Re: [time-nuts] Why are 1PPS signals so skinny?

2012-05-14 Thread Michael Blazer
Magnus, https://assist.daps.dla.mil/quicksearch/ is the search site for military standards. MIL-188-155 is not found. Could it be another dash number? Mike On 5/14/2012 2:20 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Mark, Azelio and Björn, On 05/14/2012 06:33 PM, b...@lysator.liu.se wrote: Mark

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under wa...

2012-05-14 Thread GandalfG8
The other option of course is to pressurise the box with dry air to ensure a positive pressure differential, such that the net flow is always outwards at all points, but it's probably easier just to provide a drain hole:-) However, whilst a drain hole will prevent the build up of a lake

Re: [time-nuts] Why are 1PPS signals so skinny?

2012-05-14 Thread Jim Hickstein
On 2012/05/14 18:02, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: https://assist.daps.dla.mil/quicksearch/ is the search site for military standards. Hmm. Doesn't find MIL-TGDBP-41. I got this from my (now late) great uncle, Bob Sedgwick -- who was to hydraulics what I am to computers, only he has a

Re: [time-nuts] Why are 1PPS signals so skinny?

2012-05-14 Thread Azelio Boriani
Maybe the correct number is MIL-STD-188-115? On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 1:18 AM, Jim Hickstein j...@jxh.com wrote: On 2012/05/14 18:02, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: https://assist.daps.dla.mil/quicksearch/ is the search site for military standards. Hmm. Doesn't find MIL-TGDBP-41. I

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under wa...

2012-05-14 Thread Michael Blazer
Here's comparison for various type of conformal coating: http://mgchemicals.com/downloads/appguide/appguide0404.pdf.https://assist.daps.dla.mil/quicksearch/ I think there is a type that is 'serviceable' and removable with alcohol. Mike On 5/14/2012 6:01 PM, gandal...@aol.com wrote: The other

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under wa...

2012-05-14 Thread Azelio Boriani
We use the Plastik70 from Kontakt chemie On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Michael Blazer mbla...@satx.rr.com wrote: Here's comparison for various type of conformal coating: http://mgchemicals.com/downloads/appguide/appguide0404.pdf. https://assist.daps.dla.mil/quicksearch/ I think there is

Re: [time-nuts] Why are 1PPS signals so skinny?

2012-05-14 Thread Michael Blazer
I haven't heard that one before. I try to slip in the TLAR check in all the test procedures I write. When 'they' ask, I look at it and say: That Looks About Right. Mike On 5/14/2012 6:18 PM, Jim Hickstein wrote: On 2012/05/14 18:02, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] Why are 1PPS signals so skinny?

2012-05-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I would bet that the basic electrical definition of the skinny PPS dates at least to the mid 50's if not earlier. Bob On May 14, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Mark, Azelio and Björn, On 05/14/2012 06:33 PM, b...@lysator.liu.se wrote: Mark Azelio, Or even 10V into

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when thepre-amps under wa...

2012-05-14 Thread Alan Melia
Well almost Nigel, if you look at molecule mean velocities they are always able to diffuse down a concentration gradient (i.e from wet into dry) despite a small reverse presure gradient. It just takes longer under those conditions :-))which is often enough Alan G3NYK - Original Message

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when thepre-amps under wa...

2012-05-14 Thread J. Forster
The military deals with this all the time. Some equipment is housed in near hermetic, gasketed, metal enclosures with bags of drying agent, like silica gel, or purpose built, screw in dessicators, often with a humidity indicator. The HP 117A clock has one of them on the front panel. For larger

Re: [time-nuts] Why are 1PPS signals so skinny?

2012-05-14 Thread Tom Van Baak
Mark, I too once preferred 50% duty cycle 1 Hz signals because they seemed more natural. But one day during an experiment where I was comparing a large set of clocks I noticed my lab's digital AC power meter was jumping by tens of watts every second. When a dozen DUT generate 1PPS along with

Re: [time-nuts] Why are 1PPS signals so skinny?

2012-05-14 Thread Mike S
On 5/14/2012 8:21 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: one day during an experiment where I was comparing a large set of clocks I noticed my lab's digital AC power meter was jumping by tens of watts every second. The last thing you want in a precision timing lab is to load your AC line down exactly once a

Re: [time-nuts] Why are 1PPS signals so skinny?

2012-05-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you want to avoid a crazy power supply, you decouple the power to the output amplifier on the PPS driver. Nice big caps, droop a little during the pulse. Charge up while there's no pulse. Bob On May 14, 2012, at 8:44 PM, Mike S wrote: On 5/14/2012 8:21 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: one day

[time-nuts] Why are 1PPS signals so skinny?

2012-05-14 Thread Mark Sims
Tom, Send me your masers/cesiums and it'll save you the horrendous grief that those pesky pulsey signals are causing you... I still like 50:50 duty cycles. It makes das blinkenlights so much easier to see.

Re: [time-nuts] Conformal Coating

2012-05-14 Thread Sam Reaves
For conformal coating I recommend Humiseal Acrylic 1B73 in aerosol. You can also get it in brush form. I believe that Chemtronics used to offer acrylic coating as well, maybe even re-packaging the Humiseal product. I don't know if there is a source for small quantities of Humiseal but it is a fine

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under wa...

2012-05-14 Thread K3WRY
If you can keep the boards in a vertical mount position, and they have been sprayed with a conformal coating, the heat from the components and the coating will keep any moisture from forming on the boards in a vertical position. We do this in several products we supply to the military. Dr

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when thepre-amps under wa...

2012-05-14 Thread lists
I haven't read all this thread, but NEMA boxes hopefully have been mentioned. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under wa...

2012-05-14 Thread Tom Knox
What type of coating do you recommend? What is the downside of coating all electronics? Thomas Knox From: k3...@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 21:16:15 -0400 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under wa... If you can

Re: [time-nuts] Why are 1PPS signals so skinny?

2012-05-14 Thread Said Jackson
These types of pulses should be routed as open-ended source-terminated reflected wave switched transmission lines. Power will only flow for nanoseconds as the pulse travels over the line. There won't be a drop of 50% of the voltage at the target and no large power spikes in the unit or

Re: [time-nuts] Conformal Coating

2012-05-14 Thread Tom Knox
That sounds like what we use in the AeroSpace industry. I remember the UV dye. Thanks Thomas Knox Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 21:13:55 -0400 From: sam.rea...@gmail.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Conformal Coating For conformal coating I recommend Humiseal Acrylic 1B73

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under wa...

2012-05-14 Thread Hal Murray
k3...@aol.com said: If you can keep the boards in a vertical mount position, and they have been sprayed with a conformal coating, the heat from the components and the coating will keep any moisture from forming on the boards in a vertical position. We do this in several products we supply

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under wa...

2012-05-14 Thread paul swed
I speculate that water runs off. But that said the preamp did run 4 years and I didn't really do anything special. In fact the preamps cleaned up and ready to be remounted tomorrow. But first I have to see what may have let the moisture in. At least was it something large that needs to be plugged

Re: [time-nuts] Conformal Coating

2012-05-14 Thread Michael Blazer
The Humiseal and Chemtronics Acrylic both meet the Mil Spec 'AR' rating. (I've had to track down this document trail.) I believe the MG Chemicals also meets the same spec. The MG and Chemtronics are readily available at most local electronic stores, Newark, Mouser and other distributors.

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Resolution-T SMT caught behaving badly

2012-05-14 Thread Hal Murray
hol...@hotmail.com said: Then at the half way point, something strange happened... I've seen quite a few GPS receivers do strange things. My straw man is software bugs under poor signal conditions that don't get tested much. Another possibility would be a glitch on the power rail(s). It's

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Resolution-T SMT caught behaving badly

2012-05-14 Thread Michael Tharp
On 05/14/2012 09:11 PM, Mark Sims wrote: Attached is a Lady Heather screen dump of a Trimble Resolution-SMT timing receiver behaving badly. The first quarter of the plot the unit was tracking all sats above 0 degrees/0 dBc. The next quarter the masks were set to 30 degrees/30 dBc. Then

Re: [time-nuts] Conformal Coating

2012-05-14 Thread Lee Mushel
Be careful! You have now introduced a label into the discussion that might trigger some vendor into thinking that you are looking for a UV Cured coating. And those things can be something you don't want to mess with. Back in the 70's when those coatings first appeared no one bothered to