Re: [time-nuts] An embedded NTP server

2013-01-03 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 50e4c479.5080...@earthlink.net, Jim Lux writes: On 1/2/13 11:37 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Actually, the OS is not important, floating point support is. floating point support in the sense that the compiler supports it and generates appropriate code to use software FP or

Re: [time-nuts] An embedded NTP server

2013-01-03 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message cahjg12qxpb9px8dp6ngk-x575etnsfc+csqr6acsrx7gfw-...@mail.gmail.com , Tom Harris writes: +1 for Forth! Indeed, but for me that is only an indulgence :-) +1 for your opinions on PICs AVRs. We can buy low end NXP ARM Cortex M0 chips (e.g. LPC1113) for less than the PIC18 we

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz - 16 MHz clock multiplier

2013-01-03 Thread M. Simon
I would not use the 4046 these days. It has a dead band around zero phase error. I would use the 9046 which has no dead band. In addition the integrator supply is a cleaner design. It is a current source. The data sheet explains it. http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/74HCT9046A.pdf

Re: [time-nuts] An embedded NTP server

2013-01-03 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/3/13 12:53 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In general, you should reuse as much code as you can, life is too short to write another UDP checksum subroutine. You captured it exactly.. The thrill of implementing sin() is long past. Heck, I'd be happy with something that ran

Re: [time-nuts] A New Years Resolution.

2013-01-03 Thread David C. Partridge
Please don't do that - start a complete new thread instead by posting a completely new message (i.e. not a reply). The threading on many engines doesn't use the subject line at all. Regards, David Partridge -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com

[time-nuts] 10 MHz - 16 MHz clock multiplier

2013-01-03 Thread Bill Fuqua
One way is to divide by 10 and then multiply by 16. Divide by 10 and then follow by 4 tuned frequency doublers. This should introduce little phase noise. Another way to do it is to divide by 10, then pass the output thru a narrow 16 MHz filter and amplify. Sounds difficult but the filter

Re: [time-nuts] Questions about TAC frontend, and some measurements

2013-01-03 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 22:45:40 +0100 Fabio Eboli fabi...@quipo.it wrote: Il 2012-12-23 07:42 Bruce Griffiths ha scritto: The classic TAC using current mode switching is similar to the attached circuit schematic. http://pastebin.com/EkgqmgfE I have a couple of small questions about this

[time-nuts] Some Quartz short term stabilities

2013-01-03 Thread cdelect
Here is an update of measurements of some Quartz short term stabilities. It's interesting to see that the 10811-60111 that some turn their noses up at can turn in excellent stability as well! QUARTZ 1 SEC. 10 SEC. 100 SEC. 1K SEC.

Re: [time-nuts] Questions about TAC frontend, and some measurements

2013-01-03 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 21:28:17 +0100 Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote: What is the reason behind the emitter followers Q1 and Q9? Respecitvely, why shouldnt R3/R4, R7/R8 be connected directly to V+/V-? Scratch that question. Looking at the schematics again, it became obvious.

Re: [time-nuts] Some Quartz short term stabilities

2013-01-03 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I wonder who made the Motorola DOCXO? Bob On Jan 3, 2013, at 3:41 PM, cdel...@juno.com wrote: Here is an update of measurements of some Quartz short term stabilities. It's interesting to see that the 10811-60111 that some turn their noses up at can turn in excellent stability as well!

Re: [time-nuts] Some Quartz short term stabilities

2013-01-03 Thread Magnus Danielson
Bob, On 04/01/13 01:41, Bob Camp wrote: Hi I wonder who made the Motorola DOCXO? Wouln't that be CTS in todays name-space? Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Some Quartz short term stabilities

2013-01-03 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Motorola went out of the DOCXO business back in the 1960's. Everything past about 1980 was made by somebody else and a Motorola label was put on it. The part of the business they spun off to CTS made TCXO's, XO's, and crystals. Bob On Jan 3, 2013, at 7:53 PM, Magnus Danielson

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz - 16 MHz clock multiplier

2013-01-03 Thread Max
Where can one get some of these mythical 74HC90 's and 74AC90 's that have been mentioned. None of the usual places have them, ie ebay, digi-key, farnell, or even the Chinese. Also data-sheets are not to be found. Thanks On 4/01/2013 5:13 AM, Bill Fuqua wrote: One way is to divide by

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz - 16 MHz clock multiplier

2013-01-03 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 04.01.2013 01:59, schrieb Max: Where can one get some of these mythical 74HC90 's and 74AC90 's that have been mentioned. None of the usual places have them, ie ebay, digi-key, farnell, or even the Chinese. Also data-sheets are not to be found. you can't find 'em because they're not

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz - 16 MHz clock multiplier

2013-01-03 Thread David
They do not exist as I found out (again) not long ago. The last 7490 made was LS (low power schottky) and I use quite a few of them. Actually, I have seen a datasheet for a 74HC90 and 74HCT90 but they apparently either never went into production or very few were produced. The closest non-TTL

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz - 16 MHz clock multiplier

2013-01-03 Thread Tom Miller
Isn't there a fast divide by N counter that you could set to 10? Maybe even in ECL? - Original Message - From: David davidwh...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 10

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz - 16 MHz clock multiplier

2013-01-03 Thread Max
Ahhh, the beauty of the 74xx90 is that you can have a symetrical output by using the divide by two after the divide by five. Max On 4/01/2013 1:02 PM, Tom Miller wrote: Isn't there a fast divide by N counter that you could set to 10? Maybe even in ECL? - Original Message - From:

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz - 16 MHz clock multiplier

2013-01-03 Thread David
Oh, there are lots, well, at least some presetable synchronous counters in fast logic families that could be used but that would require extra glue logic. Alternatively if you just want to divide by 5 or some other small fixed number, you can use a couple of flip-flips and gates. On Thu, 03 Jan

[time-nuts] 10 MHz - 16 MHz clock multiplier

2013-01-03 Thread Bill Fuqua
At 12:58 AM 1/4/2013 +, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: Where can one get some of these mythical 74HC90 's and 74AC90 's that have been mentioned. None of the usual places have them, ie ebay, digi-key, farnell, or even the Chinese. Also data-sheets are not to be found. Thanks This

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz - 16 MHz clock multiplier

2013-01-03 Thread Rex
On 1/3/2013 6:22 PM, David wrote: Alternatively if you just want to divide by 5 or some other small fixed number, you can use a couple of flip-flips and gates. Flip-flips are good for digitally implementing tick-tick clocks, right? :-) (Use flop-flops for tock-tock.)

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz - 16 MHz clock multiplier

2013-01-03 Thread Hal Murray
tmil...@skylinenet.net said: Isn't there a fast divide by N counter that you could set to 10? Maybe even in ECL? The 74xx16y are 4 bit loadable counters. 2 are binary, 2 are decimal. I think 1 of each pair has a synchronous reset/clear, the other is async. Mouser has the 74AC161 and 74AC163