Re: [time-nuts] Interesting looking crystal on ebay

2013-03-12 Thread David J Taylor
-Original Message- From: Robert Darlington Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 5:49 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Interesting looking crystal on ebay I ended up buying this as I've wanted one for a while. It arrived today and I swept it

Re: [time-nuts] frequency reference for portable operation

2013-03-12 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 11/03/13 13:29, Bob Camp wrote: Hi So all you have to do is figure out when the physics package is hot enough for the line spreading to work well enough to get a lock... Should not be too hard to monitor. Isn't oven temperature part of the BITE fail condition? Cheers, Magnus

Re: [time-nuts] frequency reference for portable operation

2013-03-12 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 11/03/13 21:20, John Miles wrote: With most modern lightweight Rb's the OCXO is integrated into the same heater block as the physics package. That makes it a bit tough to heat one without heating the other. . On LPROs the OCXO sits on the opposite side of the board. Pretty sure that's

Re: [time-nuts] frequency reference for portable operation

2013-03-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I'm not sure that the cheap ones really report back the temperature as part of the BITE. I suspect they report something more along the lines of oven is not running all the time. Bob On Mar 12, 2013, at 6:41 AM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: On 11/03/13 13:29, Bob

Re: [time-nuts] frequency reference for portable operation

2013-03-12 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 12/03/13 12:03, Bob Camp wrote: Hi I'm not sure that the cheap ones really report back the temperature as part of the BITE. I suspect they report something more along the lines of oven is not running all the time. I'm after sufficiently high here, as in lockable, and I wonder if not the

Re: [time-nuts] Interesting looking crystal on ebay

2013-03-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Ok, so you have what may be anti-resonance about 23 ppm above 10 MHz. Exactly what that works out to in a circuit depends a lot on the stray C in your fixture. The next step would be to look at ~ 3.333 MHz to see if it's a third overtone crystal. Bob On Mar 12, 2013, at 1:49 AM, Robert

Re: [time-nuts] frequency reference for portable operation

2013-03-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi It's not just the hot enough to be lockable that you are after. You also are after a condition where you can tell the difference between several transitions. Locking to the wrong one isn't a good thing. I suspect they do something like: wait for oven to cut back, then delay for xxx

Re: [time-nuts] Need info on Trimble 4000S GPS Surveyor

2013-03-12 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 10/03/13 20:30, Ed Breya wrote: I recently acquired a junker Trimble 4000S GPS surveying unit. It's mid-1980s technology, so very big, but nice to salvage various RF and signal processing goodies from. I have no plan to get it working, and no need for the function - it's just for

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather numbers

2013-03-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi That looks a lot better. Your DAC has moved about 40 mV over the time period. That's not bad, given what you did to it. The ~ 14 ppb shift should settle out something much lower in a week or two. Good numbers on the PPS are in the 2 to 3 ns RMS region. The oscillator numbers are a best

[time-nuts] TAPR TADD-1

2013-03-12 Thread Paul Christensen
Looking for a TAPR TADD-1 distribution amp. Thanks! Paul, W9AC ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

[time-nuts] Lady Heather numbers

2013-03-12 Thread Arthur Dent
Garren Davis garren.davis at qlogic.com Tue Mar 12 12:55:48 EDT 2013 I found the 1 ohm resistor from the 12 volt pin to the heater circuit popped off its solder pads and was laying between the insulation and the metal enclosure. ++ You might want to check the 2 photos and

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather numbers

2013-03-12 Thread Garren Davis
I did see those photos. They gave me confidence to cut it open to see if there was anything I could do to fix it. Garren -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Dent Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 2:16 PM To:

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather numbers

2013-03-12 Thread Rex
Do you think that the oven is working correctly? Is the DC current high on power-up then dropping to a steady lower value after warm-up time? My concern is that the resistors may have unsoldered themselves because the oven ran away into an over-temp condition. On 3/12/2013 9:55 AM, Garren

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather numbers

2013-03-12 Thread Garren Davis
Rex, I checked the current on the oven. It seems to be operating correctly. My theory is that it worked before it was shipped. This was from the TAPR group buy. They were all tested before shipping. The resistor probably popped of during shipping. The other resistor popped off probably from

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather numbers

2013-03-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If the oven runs away, you won't get the nice DAC voltage settling to a reasonable value trace on LH. If it has run away, the appearance is very distinctive when you open it up. Boards turned brown and highly oxidized solder …. Bob On Mar 12, 2013, at 7:35 PM, Rex r...@sonic.net wrote:

[time-nuts] Russian Timing Geosync Sats?

2013-03-12 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: I've heard that there's a Russian satellite system that uses 150 400 MHz signals for timing based on Geosynchronous satellites. Maybe called Tsikada. Does anyone know about it? -- Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html

Re: [time-nuts] Russian Timing Geosync Sats?

2013-03-12 Thread Peter Bell
Tsikada was (maybe still is?) the Russian version of TRANSIT - it used 150MHz and 400MHz carriers, but I'm pretty sure the orbits were (like TRANSIT) low polar rather than Geosynchronous. You may also run into the name Parus - which was the name of the system before it was released to civilian